Here's the place to discuss this week's Buffy episode.
Nice to see Tara included as an integral part of the gang. Also it
appears that Tara and Giles were busy researching Glory while the rest of
the gang was out patrolling with Riley. Riley's story is getting awfully
repetitious. And why did they go to the trouble to specifically bring back
Sandy if they were just going to stake her? I'm still feeling like
everything is just a little off and the whole season feels like a weird
dream sequence or alternate reality.
I saw it last night, pretty good ep, just the fact that Tara was in it makes it great
And Spike...LOVE Spike, he was really funny when he was taking shots at Riley, two lines I really liked were him calling W/T the lover wiccas and when Riley threw him out, Spike yelling blanket! blanket! LOL
And of course the scene where Riley was throwing Spike out of Buffy's bedroom and he grabbed a pair of her panties on the way out LMAO
When you guys see the ep or if you read this before, check this out tonight...in the magic shop, when Buffy showed up to pick up Dawn, Willow was with Giles behind the counter, Dawn was sitting at the table and Xander was with Anya in the back, Tara isn't there then when the snake demon leaves, Tara pops up from behind the counter with Willow...where was she before that? because I didn't see her, anyone else notice that? it's not a big deal or anything, just wanted to ask if someone saw her before the snake demon crashed through the window?
tara pops up from behind the counter with willow, huh? wonder what *she* was doing...
okay, now i've seen the ep, and you're absolutely right, warduke. tara appears behind the counter from out of nowhere. there were a lot of cuts in that scene, so i suppose she could have run in from some room off-camera when she herad dawn scream (you know, to make sure her willow was okay and all), but it seems mighty suspicious to me.
then again, perhaps tara was just looking for something in a low drawer or on a low shelf behind the counter or something. you know, crawling around on her hands and knees at willow's feet...
ahem. moving on, the thing that struck me most about this buffy ep was actually the "scenes from next week" clip. am i quite mistaken, even after several slo-mo viewings, or is it willow and tara, alone on a rooftop, that see the shooting star-like occurrence at the very beginning of the preview? do you think next week's ep might open with a romantic rooftop scene? oh, how i hope...i can't wait!
and whatever happened to tara's ability to sense when people aren't right, or when they're not people? she caught on to faith-in-buffy right away, but hasn't said anything about dawn (thought it could be argued that she knows but isn't telling), and had no clue when glory waltzed into the magic shop. does she have selective magic-sense?
anya was great in this ep. i love her so.
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most lol moment of the season(for me)- Xander,willow,giles silently shooting those 'will you shut the f*** up!' looks at anya. that scene was hilarious
I really enjoyed the drama of Buffy and her mom dealing with the tumor and also the nice moments of the scoobies (including helpful Tara) together at the magic shop, but otherwise my review of this ep has to be one big bitch fest:
- Riley's scenes of being bitter and confused over unrequitted love would've been very touching if we hadn't seen the SAME EXACT THING in the last few episodes. Mr. Cow says mooooooooove on.
- The scenes with Glory and her demon-bitch were very annoying because of all the bad dialogue.
- The fight scene between Glory and Buffy in the snake house was very annoying because Glory's stupid quips were comprised of bad dialogue.
- I'm really starting to get annoyed by Glory's BAD DIALOGUE.
- As a fan of Dr. Who and 1950's b-movie sci-fi, I thought at first that I could stomach the crappy effects of the fight with the big snake. But by the time that we were seeing the final, long distance crane shot of Sarah weakly punching a rubber snake head under the glow of Glory's bungalow, I was fairly disgusted. That snake head wiggled around like a child's inflatable punching bag and the sight of it was probably worth a giggle for casual fans of the show, but for die-hard fanatics like me it was just darn painful to see.
I think it's a rotten shame that great acting moments by Sarah and Kristine were practically wasted on this weakly written ep. I would like to blame David Fury, but really it's Joss who has the final say in script approval. Where were you tonight, J-man? Why hast thou foresaken me?
hey april! It's a cold one in NYC isn't it? i need to get me a damn heater...
but back to the topic on hand... call me wrong but wasn't tara the only scooby NOT looking at glory when she came in. maybe that's why she didn't sense the evilness in her... i dunno. i'll have to look at that scene again.
OH! and the real question is WHAT is up with Amber's hair color?!!! kill the dyer. I cannot even look at her. it's ridiculous. hello. we all know now what tara was doing last episode, dying her hair a color that so does not complement her. maybe it's just me but it's too willowish and she's HOT as a blonde or brownie with highlights. Bring that back! and let's not even talk about the make up. it's like that time willow looked like a tramp. sorry but she did.
and as for the coming attaractions it was willow and tara (her hair was up the way i love it, ok i am obsessed). maybe they were patrolling again since willow mentioned it this ep. or they were having a romantic stoll on a dock. either or. or not.
the whole sandy thing pissed me off.I understand there is so much going on right now but it would have been hilarious to see what could've happened if she and willow had met (even though she probably wasn't the one who sired her).
Spike was as funny as ever especially the stealing buffy's panties scene. And yes, i feel sorry for riley but they really should just get him gone already. GLORY!!!! her name IS a holy name and it's wonderful to see a *good* baddie again. she rocks.
and i liked this ep. much better than spikes for some reason. even with the fake snake and too much riley time. maybe because I had passed by the park the night they were filming that scene. but i like tara being there as a scoob and helping out.
umm. ok. enough for now.
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hey rane! damn right it's cold...keep bundled up! and get a heater!
i'm sooo with you on the "yummy tara with her hair up" sentiments. she looks great with the little strands curling around her face...
willow and tara were on a dock? you sure it wasn't a rooftop? actually, i don't care as long as romanticness is involved.
ah, buffy. gotta love it.
Hey Rane, I agree with you that Amber's make-up was very uncomplimetary. The light shade lipstick just was not workin' out for her. But I could really see dark hair being good for her, just not that particular shade they had going on tonight.
I'm glad I don't remember this Sandy character y'all are talking about. Must be Alzheimer's setting in early 'cause I really have no clue where she was before - so I don't mind that she showed up just to get dusted. Honestly, I thought that scene with her and Riley - and that whole montage, in fact - was one of the best moments of the show. It was genuinely moving to see big doofus boy get so worked up that he almost turned to the dark side. Visions of things to come, I say (and I hope they come soon).
darv- sandy is from dopplegangland. she's the one that vamp willow killed at the bronze. it's the same actress and the same character that's why there has been so much spec about her.
april- being as obsessed as i am with mise en scene i need at least two screeningsfor it to actually register. all i remember from the previews is crates. re: the scene with tara and willow watching the thingy come down. so i could be way wrong. could be rooftop. maybe they're having a nice midnight picnic and.. that's a fic actually....
and probably by the time my computer loads this post all questions will have been answered by someone else. oh the glory of having a computer form 1997.
The only bad thing about watching Buffy Monday night is that for some reason they never show the teaser for next week's ep, so I watched Buffy again tonight just to see the teaser...and W/T of course
april, see what I mean, it was kinda weird that Tara just pops up out of nowhere but I like what you said about her being at Willow's feet or "doing" something else...tee hee
shazza...W/T lover says hi
Reguarding Tara coming out of nowhere for behind the counter when the snake comes into the magic shop. She doesn't. If you watch the previous scene very carefully she is there she's off to the left putting stuff on the shelves but if you blink you'll miss her.
darn, she was there the whole time? i liked my ideas for what she was doing better...
I just watched it again and can you believe it, I almost missed the teaser...again! LOL
It looked like W/T were on a rooftop, for those wondering.
And LordBowler is right, when Buffy is talking to Dawn and then they
show Giles walking past Willow, Tara is behind them, with her back to the
camera but with her clothes and dark hair, she almost disappears in the
background and he's right, if you blink, you'll miss her
I really disliked this episode. Like darvangi I found Glory's dialogue to be bad. I thought the writing of her dialogue felt forced, and that the writers have been trying too hard to make her a funny and wacky evil character. It's just not there for me. Also I just couldn't get worked up over such a fake looking "monster."
And I seem to be breaking from popular opinion here, but I don't like the Joyce tumor stuff. I thought I would. Maybe I will come to appreciate it. But I found it strangely unmoving and verging on tiresome tonight. Intellectually, of course, I am sorry that Joyce the character has cancer. But those scenes in the hospital felt trite and predictable. And if Buffy strokes Dawn's hair one more time while gazing at her sorrowfully I swear I am going to throw something at my TV.
As for Riley, I am so bored with and tired of his whitebread angst. It wouldn't even be fair for me to make any comments about his storyline because I am so thoroughly fed up.
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God, I just cleared all my comments. First, I would like to say that my favorite part was when Willow walks into the magic shop and Tara gives her this longing look. Sigh. I want Tara to look at me like that. I like Tara's hair just fine but the make up was eh. Willow looked good. I love the Giles and Tara interaction. It's most cool. I also loved Anya. She so wants to fit in and is so serious about her job. She came in straightening all the things on the displays. Hmm.. still hating Riley. Sandy, waste of a character (she should have met Willow, why bring her back at all). Snake, looked fake especially in the fighting. Still, I liked it better than the Mayor's.
Hey Shazza
Rane, rooftop romantic picnic? Fanfic? Why not, the floating dancing was fanfic. I can't wait till next week, it looks much better, plus w/t aloneness is always a good thing.
Ok, back to watching Kate and happy to see Cordelia doesn't have ridiculous extensions anymore.
Ah, yes I must add, this ep was bad. As bad as The Replacement. And I love glory, but she wasn't her usual delicious psychotic self. I need more.
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A few thoughts on to-nights episode:
- It's great to see that Tara is finally starting to become an intregal part of the gang. She is definitely beginning to look at home.
- This is the second episode where we have seen the Scoobies involved in the action for the full hour. This is what is needed to pull the season to-gether.
- Spike's confrontation with Riley was great, but having him sniffing Buffy's sweater and then stealing her panties is way out of character for him. While it may be humorous I hope Drusilla hurries back and knocks some sense into the poor boy.
- Anya was great to-night especially the part where she pointed out Giles' mistake. Does anyone know why she's so terrified of bunnies?
- I love watching Glory, she is just so insane. Judging from the suite she lives in she has no financial worries.
- I was also left wondering why Sandy was bought back only to have her staked after two episodes. There can't be a shortage of female vampires in Sunnydale can there.
- I enjoyed the effects with the snake, especially the scene with Dawn
at the Magic Shop. The chase scene wasn't bad either, that is up until
the point when Buffy decided to ride it. Then it all fell apart and was
simply terrible. The stunts involving Buffy seem to be going from bad to
worse.
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Okay, I kinda of like the Joyce sick story line. I do think they did too much of the Buffy looking sorrowful at the hospital thing. She's got that wide eyed thing working too hard as of late. I like the story because it's something Buffy can't just 'kill' and make better. Tara was all about the happy looks every time she turned to Willow the whole episode
Oh, couple more things. I love how Glory just always beats the crap out of Buffy... don't know why, just do. Watch when Riley comes into the Magic Box. In the background Tara is leaning against the bookcase and Willow comes up and their reading a book together. Does Willow kinda lean into Tara? Oh, I think so. Oh and I guess TPTB finally gave Charisma the okay to go without the extensions! Thank god! I love her new hair cut!!!
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would mean your touch is
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Around my mind forever
simply one love divine... together.
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well, i for one pretty much enjoyed this episode. i find glory's (and her follower for that matter) dorky dialogue a funny contrast to her position as a formidable adversary to buffy.
i do have to agree though that rileys whining is getting old. its all hes done this season it seems! i hope they have *something* planned for him soon, because him leaving or dying now would just be very anticlimactic. a slow downward spiral is not appreciated. either you go out with a bang or you dont go out at all dangit! im partial to the he gets vamped theory. that would be very interesting, and of course fitting to what spike sees as buffys desire for "dangerous" fellows. poorpoor riley.
i thoroughly enjoyed the blame-it-on-anya scene, that girl never ceases to give me a hearty chuckle or two each episode ^^
oh yeah, enjoying the brain tumor (man that sounds morbid) and buffy's protecting of dawn. shes really growing on me! when that snake came into the shop i was screaming in fear for her! well not really..it was only a gasp or two, but i was still concerned! :P
sure the effects were lackluster, there was only snippets of w/t, but
overall im content.
a nice beginning to my thanksgiving break
:D
I'm not really into Tara's hair darker. But I don't hate it.
SciFiAcid Most people seem to like the Joyce's tumor storyline. I agree that the idea of there being something Buffy can't fight is a good one. I am not loving the execution (at least not tonight). I am also quite tired of moms with cancer who make daughters come to epiphanies storylines that flooded the big screen for awhile. I do think that Joss is smarter than that, so I am holding out hope. And I also hope it doesn't turn out that the energy that is the key that is Dawn is somehow responsible for the cancerous growths (I'm thinking of that doctor asking Buffy if they live near power lines, if mom uses cell phone, etc.) Hopefully, that's just a red herring.
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Originally posted by darvangi:
As a fan of Dr. Who and 1950's b-movie sci-fi, I thought at first that I could stomach the crappy effects of the fight with the big snake. But by the time that we were seeing the final, long distance crane shot of Sarah weakly punching a rubber snake head under the glow of Glory's bungalow, I was fairly disgusted. That snake head wiggled around like a child's inflatable punching bag and the sight of it was probably worth a giggle for casual fans of the show, but for die-hard fanatics like me it was just darn painful to see.
Well... yeah the shot wasn't pulled off very effectively, but it was an impressive attempt.
Let me elaborate - Buffy was punching the snake in Griffith Park. Glory's hideout is in Pasadena. They blended the two images together.
Specifically, Glory is hiding out in "Castle Green," which is located at 99 South Raymond Avenue in Pasadena.
And while I'm on a trivia spree, I'll add one more piece of evidence to
the "Sunnydale is Santa Barbara" theory. When the snake-monster goes to
"the holy places" to look for Dawn, the establishing shot they show is
actually Mission Santa Barbara.
Adrienne, leaning in .. sigh. Speaking of which, Tara leaning into Willow when they first sat at the table... yumm.
Everybody else has begun to state their opinions, so I might as well throw my hat into the ring as well.
Let's break it down, shall we?
GLORY-- Loving the idea of an opponent who's mannerisms and
appearance hide the degree of threat she poses. She talks like a child and
looks like a supermodel (except for her hair in this ep...up does not work
for that woman in my NSHO), and yet, she continues to throw the slayer
around like a rag doll.
BTW, I want to go on record (and probably make
myself look like a fool in the end, but oh well) as saying that I think
Glory's name is going to end up the key (or at least part of it) to
defeating her. After all, unless I am mistaken, this is the first ep to
mention her name, yet several times it's pointed out the Dagon sphere
Buffy found is used to ward off that which cannot be named.
JOYCE-- To be perfectly honest, I have never really been fond of her.
So I don't have too much of an opinion (or problem) with the new plotline.
I do agree, however, that it IS an interesting twist for Buffy to be faced
with an opponent even a slayer can't defeat. And, I like that she is faced
with the thought of all of her skills and knowledge, and that of her
friends, is useless. No magic could help save the day this time.
Next
week, I just hope the...whatever the hell it is, does not provide Joyce
some sort of deus ex machina kind of cure.
RILEY-- uhh...errmm...moving on to something more interesting. Like, I don't know, pretty much ANYTHING!
THE SNAKE-- I know it was kind of cheesy, in the close ups at least, but I have to admit, I kind of liked it. Maybe it's just me. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it's just me with this opinion.
ANYA-- Still a breath of fresh air. In a way she's like Cordelia-lite.
Everything we like about Queen C, without all of the bitter and
holier-than-thou attitude mixed in we got in the HS days.
And as a
sidenote, I could be way off the base here, but I kind of thought Anya's
fear of bunnies (such as it was) stemmed from the costume she wore in FEAR
ITSELF.
BTW, speaking of Cordy, my first thought, when I saw her new
hairdo was that for she'd copied it from Willow. And you can take that
anyway you want (no, I want to make myself a little clearer in this
instance...I love all of Willow's hairdo's. Period)
DAWN-- Well, I am pretty sure I've mentioned my dislike of the
character before. And, the ep tonight did nothing to alter that thought in
any way.
Actually, you know that scene where Riley and Dawn are sitting
by the carousel? Seeing them together like that made me happy, cause it
meant I didn't have to see either or both of them in any other scenes.
TARA-- What can I say, besides the wonderful stuff everyone else has
said?
I love how she is just hanging with Giles and the gang at the
Box. She's a Scooby, all right, through and through. Her interactions with
them have been more effective and a lot more productive (though brief)
than anything Riley has done to date.
Tara is Willow's girlfriend, yes,
but the ep tonight demonstrated there's so much more to the character than
that.
I guess that's it.
Later!!
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Kirk B
"Even when I'm at my worst, you always make me feel special. How do you do that?"
"Magic."
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Originally posted by xita:
Adrienne, leaning in .. sigh. Speaking of which, Tara leaning into Willow when they first sat at the table... yumm.
I know xita. I'm just rewatching, after not being able to get back
into chat (I'm crack hannibal) , and Tara SO leans into
Willow when they all sit down to start their little study group. So she's
close she could give Willow a little peck on the cheek
I'm back on crack ... smilies that is!
Kirk, since Joss likes fairy tales, Glory is like Rumpelstiltskin.
Adrienne, I didn't think there would be any cute w/t moments from what I could see from the crack fix flash videos. There were enough to please me, with w/t it doesn't take much. Though I missed the touching. But, this was the first ep since Family and the important thing was seeing Tara interact with the scoobies now.
Finally, Dawn. Willow, smart girl that she is, noticed that the snake was scared of Dawn. Then, Buffy in front of everyone says, It knows. Hmm.. I would be curious. I wonder how long till the others figure it out.
The snake was pretty cool in the scenes where it was a computer animation. But the "man in a rubber suit" scenes were worthy of the Ed Wood Award for FX cheese.
I was disappointed that Riley didn't get converted. He and Sandy would have made a cute couple. Imagine them sharing a crypt w/Spike and Harmony?
I think "Shadow" confirmed Tara's place as a full-fledged member of the scoobies. I think that as the season unfolds she and Willow are going to play a critical role in defeating Glory. Now if only they'd leave her hair alone.
I really like how magic is playing a larger role in resolving each conflict, starting with "Primeval" last season. That was a welcome change from Buffy's usual mode of "You guys look stuff up- I gotta go smash something." To the extent that they don't just rely on Buffy's power the gang needs to work together, and that can only mean more W/T screentime.
Well, that's my 2 cents.
Oh wait, I still have a penny left: Spike snitching Buffy's panties was so totally over the top. That was my second favorite scene this season, right after Tara getting under the covers. Yummy.
Speaking of yummy, Tara is baking 'Tofurkey' for her and Willow's first Thanksgiving, of course.
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I have nothing to add to the discussion as I have not seen the ep, just here trolling for spoilers, living vicariously through you all. Just popped up to say hey to Warduke and Xita.
I can't really add anything new since evrybody's said what i wanted to say. I have been watching the trailer again though and i think that W/T are on a dock for a romantic moonlight stroll *sigh*:
can't wait for next week.
i liked the epi. sure not much w/t but lots of other goodies. spike is so amazing in his evilness. he really hurt riley so bad i even started feeling a little sorry for him. interesting twist that riley almost got himself vamped on purpose. but, he clearly has no acting ability to look tough so he could never be a vamp.
brain tumor... sure it's been done before even on buffy it was done in "lie to me" amazingly well i might add with a kid who had a brain tumor.
still i like the story twist.i want to see some cruel angry behavior from joyce. to me it doesnt seem weird but then i am a pediatric oncology nurse so i've seen my share of brain tumors.believe me leukemia is way better (your chances anyway). i hope they dont cure joyce. it would be interesting to see what joss does with this one. brain tumors stick around quite a while before the end comes. but, then this is tv. oooo i have an idea i can be the brain tumor consultant to joss. perhaps sneak around the set and hang out with aly and amber.
queen of denial, thanks for the w/t teaser screencaps. i love them! however, i have to point out that the screencaps *clearly* demonstrate that they're on a roof and not a dock, unless they're on a dock that's level with the tops of the streetlights. i'm *so* looking forward to this w/t moment next week!
people were loud and lame at my house last night while buffy was on, so i missed most of the leanings and longing looks. guess i'll have to watch the ep again...
by the way, i saw "hush" for the first time last night, and it totally blew me away. that episode is better than anything that's aired this season - it was soooo cool. i actually liked riley in it! in terms of overall episode quality, i even liked it better than "family". i loved every single scene, though the soda machine one was my absolute favorite. BAM! woohooo...
i must say, though, that after hearing buffy/SMG scream to destroy the gentlemen, and comparing it with dawn's scream when the snake finds her, michelle trachtenberg wins hands down. that girl has lungs!
I have to agree with april, Michelle Trachtenberg's scream made that scene. She does have a set of lungs!
Ok, I'm bored @ work and because of the holiday..no one is here. Lonely..and it's cold as hell outside, so I can't distract myself w/a cigarette.. blah.
Last night:
~~Loved Anya..love her so F***ing much this season.. she is, in a way,
morphing into a female comic foil(ie, the XX version of Xander--and yes,
"xx" is chromosome..and not something dirty ). Completely love
watching her.
~~As far as the "to dye Tara, not to dye Tara" debate..I
like the darker hair. But, with Anya, Dawn, and Willow having darker
hair..it seems like she's going to start looking like the rest of the
auburn haired gang.. Buffy needs another blonde(r) cohort.
~~The snake
a completely cheese. But, this isn't a $40 million movie w/ILM taking over
the special effects..so, we get what we get.
~~Glory..well, yes, the
dialogue is horrible, but Clare plays the manic personality VERY well.
And, well..buffy can't get ALL of the best in-fight one liners.
~The
Joyce story line..hits close to home. I like how they're handling it. And,
working in a medical college, the dialogue is fairly accurate..so, points
to them.
Ok, have to act like I'm doing something worth my wage.
-S.
I see I'm going to be alone on this one...but I liked the Riley stuff last night. He didn't whine! Instead, other people pointed out to him, much in the way a fan walking off the street might, the differences between B/him and B/Angel.
The awareness that maybe "a nice guy who's good for Buffy" isn't actually what she might subliminally want hurts, and I thought Marc did a good job showing the hopeless frustration when he can't be what he thinks (and what other people are telling him) Buffy needs. And I thought the scene with him and Sandy was one of the more genuinely creepy things I've seen on the show lately. People on various boards have talked about Riley being stupid here. It's not, IMO, exactly being stupid (like running into a nest of vampires alone is stupid).
Instead, its a good examination of the way in which Vampires benefit from human despair, and thier desire to connect to something, to embrace something, even death and damnantion.
An emotionally vulnerable young man, forced to confront the fact that he lacks qualities the woman he loves admires, meets the wrong wrong woman in an alley and...stakes her and gets called stupid, as opposed to letting her finish him and maybe or maybe not vamping him and making him kewlin the eyes of fans like Spike. I think it's fascinating stuff psychologically.
I also thought the scenes between Riley and Dawn were sweet and
touching and sad. Manipulative? Sure. But I don't mind a scene which is
set up to make Riley look sympathetic (not perfect or invulnerable or
whatever, merely sympathetic), when I happily accept scenes that are set
up to make me feel sadness for Joyce and Buffy, or affection for the sheer
adorableness of W/T. The show is brazenly emotionally manipulative,
occasionally clumsily so.
And, though I forgive her because she's
going through a lot right now, even more than usual, if Buffy could see
the way she sometimes treats Riley, I'd like to think she would have the
emotional sensitivity and honesty to wince.
Anyway, enough Riley related ranting. And alliteration. Thought the snake monster was bad in an absolute technical sense, but tremendous fun in a Ray Harryhausen mythology momnster movie kind of way. (Good grief, the alliteration, I'm not doing this on purpose I swear)
I don't quite understand why you'd need a giant nasty cobra monster to find something, I would have thought you could get the job done more subtly with a little infernal fly in the wall, or a demonic coon hound perhaps. (anyone remember the roach spy cam from Fifth Element?)
Or maybe Glory could get together with her sweetie, and try to cast a
Key Finding spell on a little map of Sunnydale, and then her sweetie might
botch the spell, you know, toss the virgin blood under the bed, and then
all the demon fans of the show could speculate for months ("Oh, Glory's
girlfriend is good, horribly stinking good I say, I predict you'll find
out she's not a demon, she's actually there to secretly help out the
scoobies, and I bet she's really Glory's great granduncle from an
alternate dimension! Glory should totally go back to that stoic yet cute
Chaos demon.")
Or maybe not.
Um, liked that Xander called Riley on the solo work last week. Liked the general Scooby-age with Tara! Yay! Wished that Tara and Willow had been sitting together in the second scene, but I did notice the lean in the first one. (Insert vote for lighter, up off the neck hair for Tara, or the old Hush-style hair)
My jury is still out on Glory, though her assistant is a riot. Not a great episode overall, but nothing really annoyed me, and the plot moved forward.
-len
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Originally posted by Hugin:
Or maybe Glory could get together with her sweetie, and try to cast a Key Finding spell on a little map of Sunnydale, and then her sweetie might botch the spell, you know, toss the virgin blood under the bed, and then all the demon fans of the show could speculate for months ("Oh, Glory's girlfriend is good, horribly stinking good I say, I predict you'll find out she's not a demon, she's actually there to secretly help out the scoobies, and I bet she's really Glory's great granduncle from an alternate dimension! Glory should totally go back to that stoic yet cute Chaos demon.")
Or maybe not.
ROFL, len! yes, i'll bet that all of the demon fans of BtVS would be appalled if glory were to date a (gasp) human! i'm sure they were appalled to discover that tara wasn't a demon after all, too!
let's face it, the show discriminates horribly against demons. they
should really be more sensitive.
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Hmmm, len, I think I'm with you on Riley
Just in general, I like the fact that the characters on the show aren't completely lovable or admirable. Sure, Riley has a bit of a complex stemming from the type of insecurity one associates with immature concepts of masculinity; but he's a product of his culture, just like Buffy and the others are. Part of the feminist in me cringed watching the ep _Halloween_ when it reran last month, seeing how high-school Buffy wanted to be "a real girl", but the show isn't always about how people *should* be, it's about how people are. (And in any case, the final message of Halloween was positive wrt whether girly weak Buffy was better or Buffy-Buffy was better!)
And I think it's true to character for Riley to worry about Angel in both a "macho-pissing contest" way and a "maybe-Buffy-likes-'em-dark" way. "Silly"? I prefer more an assessment of "unproductive" or "self-hurting"; but I think that's what human beings do to themselves (and others) sometimes.
As to the episode, I did think as well that some of the snake effects were not very well done, but the guts of the show worked for me, i.e. the various emotional stories going on -- Joyce and Buffy, Buffy and Dawn re their mom, Riley and Buffy, Riley and Dawn.
And I also agree with those who think that Glory is not a particularly scary villain; but to me, she's still entertaining in her completely over-the-top self-focus. The villains last season didn't really impress me much either (Adam and the Initiative), but again, what I was completely engaged with were the more human stories going on. It's probably the case, as someone already suggested, that having villains actually interact, and maybe hurt, the Scoobies, like Angelus did, would make for a more intense storyline there, but I can accept that not every season will do that, and given that the most interesting demons I see the characters fighting are those of the more real-world kind anyway (i.e. insecurity, uncertainty, fear, pain, loss), I think it bothers me less when the overt baddies are, as some might put it, "lame".
Oh yes, this is a W/T board, right ? Um, again possibly out
on a limb, although it is gratifying in some respects to see Tara
integrated into the gang, I also would like her to retain some
distinctiveness. Her being different was very apparent when she felt and
acted like an outsider, but what makes her stand out now? I'm not sure I
want just another Willow-like magic-explainer. And yes, the fact that her
hair and dress have become less and less like her original look (which I
liked, again for the fact that I don't really want every character on the
show to be what is admired and "cool" or "hot", and that includes their
clothing style) and more and more like Willow's doesn't help.
All in all, loving this season as much if not more than the last ...
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Originally posted by Kirk B:
I kind of thought Anya's fear of bunnies (such as it was) stemmed from the costume she wore in FEAR ITSELF.
Unfortunately that's not the answer. In "Fear Itself " she picked that costume because she thought it was scary. Why a vengeance demon would be scared of such innocent creatures is a beyond me.
I do like Glory. Not only is she pyschotic and vain, I love the way she injects those caustic remarks while throwing Buffy around like a rag doll. There is no way Buffy will be able to defeat Glory by herself. This is definitely going to take a group effort.
Judging from the apartment that Glory has and the amount of money she's spending on clothes she must be well off financially. I wonder if that ties in with the fact that Anya had no visable means of support until she took the job at the Magic Shop. Anya has been around for a thousand years and Glory has been around even longer. Is it possible that over the centuries they both aquired some trinkets that would now be considered priceless. Maybe Anya is worth a fortune and she doesn't realize it. Remember she has no real concept of money.
[This message has been edited by Roxton (edited 11-22-2000).]
Just saw the ep and I thought it was ok.
The Spike scene was GREAT(as always)!!
The panty part and the
blanket part were hilarious.
Was it me or is Willow starting to dress a little more hip nowadays?
It's nice to see (it's ALWAYS nice to see her) her looking
somewhat cool, but I hope she dosen't turn too cool because then we won't
be able to make any bad clothes jokes anymore.
Enough Buffy/Riley mushy-ness...I think I'm gonna yak! Pleaser kill him NOW!! Or even better, Vamp him and let Spike kill him.
Vey nice to see lotsa Tara parts (why she still dosen't have an intro like the rest of the cast, I'll never know), like her and Giles. That was cool to see.
All in all, this ep was a little slow and the snake moster was a little cheesy.
To WB: Please give Joss and the gang the xtra $1 million per ep so we don't have to see crappy monsters anymore.
rant complete.
On my obessive frame by frame viewing, I noticed that when Willow comes in the shop and Tara first goes around the counter to greet Willow, Willow has her hand on Tara's arm and is grinning like a fool at her. Ahh.. the little joys in life.
isn't it great that aly and amber add these little unscripted parts just for us?
sigh...
hey y'all. ok, so to clear up anything from my mindless bumblings... it's probably a rooftop. sorry i even brought up the dock. i dunno. does sunnydale even have a dock?
ok, the Tara's hair is fine then but the black nail polish has got to go. she looked too unicolored. red lipstick would have been nice or some other than whatever she was wearing. and i honestly cannot look at her. I know! it's so sad cause i'm the biggest tara fan and i sadly cringed to look at her. (notice how i said tara not amber, not that i dont like amber, i do and i understand she has nothing to say about her looks, but i'm talking about the character here not the actor and blah, blah, blah)(oh! i LOVED will's hair this week! it was the best this season in my opinion.)
xita, hola chica! there's this fanfic i read a while ago that had W/T on a rooftop and they made snow. it was sooooo cute! i just cant remember who wrote it. :/
i like glory and her lines. i thought they were hysterical. the only thing that irks me is her twitching all psychotically. But i love it when she tells the snake *now would be good* or something along that.
i love dawn! it's interesting to see such humanity in a three month old
ball of energy. and she screams like a scooby.
I've never been an *i hate riley finn* fanculb member but i am tired of his character. it's so pathetic.
and re: willow pointing out the snake is *scared* of dawn, doesn't the gang find out about dawn next week? spoilers anyone?
ok. enough. off to buy my heater! yippee!
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*a few thoughts on the subject by a lil'
nothing*, Rasputina
I think I read that fic too Rane and I think I liked what happened after the snow.
And i like the black nail polish. It reminds me of old Tara from TIIT. She had black nail polish when she offered the doll's eye crystal.
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Originally posted by Rane:
hey y'all. ok, so to clear up anything from my mindless bumblings... it's probably a rooftop. sorry i even brought up the dock. i dunno. does sunnydale even have a dock?ok
Yep, remember "Surprise" and "Innocence". Oh yeah, "Consequences".
Here are the overnights:
The WB's "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" kicked off the night with a 4.7/7
(5.1/7). "Angel" tried to fight his vampire side to a 3.9/6 (4.8/7).
This is the lowest rating for a Buffy show this season.
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Originally posted by xita:
I think I read that fic too Rane and I think I liked what happened after the snow.
can anyone tell me where to find this fic, or who it's by? it sounds way cute!
Apart from the scene with Riley/Spike and Anya bits, I didn't like the ep.
Now it's a cool cobra...wait a minute ...it's a rubber puppet man...lame. My feeling is they should have went totally one way or another.
Buffy punching the snake was LAME-O-RAMA.
I prefer Tara being in the lighter hair category..I think it offsets her beautiful eyes and makes her stand apart from the other scoobs.
I couldn't really get over my feeling that Giles should have known that demon info if Anya, Tara and Willow could come up with it....Giles has been doing this kind of thing longer than Willow and presumably Tara.
I do like Glory, but I thought she was written badly in this ep.
Although there was a yummalicious point given for the red leather dress
I want SOMETHING to happen to Riley..I don't care what but I feel like I'm being beaten over the head with the message and I'VE GOT IT already!
It was too much like Buffy meets ER.
Now what I *really* would like to see is a Buffy/Scully crossover event. Dana and Buffy fighting the baddies? It would be awesome...
glenda
oy! glenda! i have a buffy-xfiles crossover but i've never posted it up. i dunno why. it's really funny and if you'd like to read it maybe i can email it to you and you can let me know what you think. i'm really taraish about my fics.
re: snowy rooftop and goddies afterwards. i cant remember the name or where i found the fic but i read wiccan ways and extra flamey so it must be there. sorry i cant be more specific but if i do come across it again i'll let you know.
I got a heater! I got a heater!
Would love to read it Rane!
please please, pretty please?
redshoes@greysangel.com
glenda the good witch
rane - congrats on your heater! now we don't have to worry about you freezing to death...
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re: snowy rooftop and goddies afterwards. i cant remember the name or where i found the fic but i read wiccan ways and extra flamey so it must be there. I got a heater! I got a heater!
okay, silly person that i am, i just went and checked both sites and couldn't find it...any recollection of what else might have happened in the fic?
you know, w/t fanfic has seriously decreased my productivity at work.
Must agree on the black nail polish for Tara being a really good thing and also Buffy punching the rubber/CGI snake a very bad thing.
I thought the most compelling part of this show was the parts about Joyce dying. If this was a typical mom-dying story, it would be pretty plebian. But given the last ep where Buffy realizes that "death is what she makes with her hands every day" it will be very interesting to see her on the receiving end of death. Will it become harder to just whack things right and left? Will she be more sensitive to Spike? Will she question what it means to be a Slayer? How will she approach her fate to kill and kill and kill when she is hit with the concequences for the first time?
Stryzinski, the guy who did Babylon 5 said the one episode that he regretted was the one with a guy in a rubber suit. This rubber suit snake guy was laughable and inaine.
Liked seeing Tara being part of the gang and accepted. I also liked seeing her coming up with the ideas. It is nice that she is smart (geeks of the world unite!). I also like how Amber and Aly interacted with each other but would have liked to see more. Can't wait for next week.
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Originally posted by shazza:and yay!, I can chat!, if I am ever awake at the right time
The chat usually starts about 6 or 7pm our time Shazza. See you there.
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May the
Amber Force be with you.
Maybe I can help in finding the fic. I once worte a fic called "little private hero" with a roof and snow in it, but I'm afraid there were no after-smoochies. Actually there were no smoochies until the sequel :-)
AHA! mirage, that was exactly the clue that i needed...
for everyobe dying to read the rooftop/snow fanfic, you can find it, courtesy of the wonderful Extra Flamey site, at:
http://www.peccath.com/extraflamey/authors/authors_gm/mirage/littleprivatehero.htm
woohoo!
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Originally posted by Prairiegirl:
This rubber suit snake guy was laughable and inane.
Actually, the snake was much more complicated than a simple rubber-suit monster. I watched them put this contraption together in Griffith Park, and it was pretty involved. The actor's head was actually down below the snake-head, and the snake-head was being controlled by puppeteers.
There was, however, a "stunt snake" on the location as well, and that was just a big model snake with no actor at all. That might have been the decision that wasn't so hot.
The key ingredient for SFX on a weekly TV series isn't always money -
sometimes it's time. Then again, they always say that time
is money, so maybe it's money after all.
yay mirage! yay heater! yay, umm, yay!
re: black nail polish. I love tara wearing balck nail polish. I love wearing black nail polish. it's awesome. i just dont think it looked good with her wardrobe and hair color. it was too yucko for me. it epitomizes this boards namesake.
RE: anya and bunnies. I dont know why she would be frightened of bunnies but i had tara threaten turning her into a bunny in one of my fics. it was actually a funny scene during the whole yoko fator fight and they were in the bathroom and anya was about so say something anyaish and tara told her off. tee hee!
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*a few thoughts on the subject by a lil'
nothing*, Rasputina
It figures that it would be mirage that wrote it
On a similar note, while looking for the fic I found the other one I had been looking for. You know the one where w/t float.
Since where I live, they don't show Buffy/Angel till Saturday. I hope you don't mind my belated comments.
Overall, I liked this episode. Ithink this season is an overall improvement on last seasons disaster. Actually, I don't think this show has been this good since those wonderful Faith-ful days of season three.But judging fromthe comments of the other posters, I am in a minority. Oh well, can't please everyone I guess.
Riley is really growing on me. The scene where he talks to Dawn really hit a nerve for me. A similar thing happened to me when I was talking with the sister of my now ex-girlfriend. She to told me how I was "good for her" because she would never get as worked-up about me as she would for her old "bad boy" boyfriend. I knew exactly what he was feeling. I would've gone out and tangled with vampires too.
I thought the snake manster was actually quite frightning, especially when it burst through the window of the magic shop(I wonder if Giles could get insurance?) Yes the scene of Buffy killing the thing was a bit cheesy, but all in all, quite a supenseful last fifteen minutes.
As for the Tara factor is concered, it's good to see her function in a
capacity other than "Willow's gilrfriend". And even though she was shown
to be a "regular girl" in Family, I STILL think she knows more than she is
letting on. Her knowledge in all things spooky rivals the learned Giles
and the ancient Anya. There is still more to the Tara story than we have
seen.
In case anyone is interested, I posted the shooting script for Shadow today (see siggy for addy).
There's a small cut scene that's interesting.
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Rayne
The Buffy Shooting Script
Site
Once again, thanks Rayne.
Is it this???
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INT. HOSPITAL HALLWAY - CONTINUOUS (AFTERNOON)BEN comes down the hall and arrives at a door. A sign on it reads:
"Pharmaceuticals. Authorized Medical Personnel Only."He discreetly checks the coast, pulls out an ID-card and slides it through the key-card-reader.
The ID-card has Dr. Isaac's photo and name on it.
INT. - PHARMACEUTICAL CLOSET - CONTINUOUS (AFTERNOON)
HIGH ANGLE as BEN shuts the door behind him and switches on the lights.
NEW ANGLE as he moves to one of many locked glass cabinets lining the closet. He unlocks it, scans the various bottles of medications, and finding what he's looking for, shoves two or three of them into his coat pocket.
Ok, so I am thinking that earlier Glory said she could get the ingredients to raise the snake monster. I am guessing it was Ben who went and got it. They must have cut it cause they didn't want suspicion to rise about Ben till Listening to Fear.
[This message has been edited by xita (edited December 05, 2000).]
Xita-->That's the scene. When I first read it, I thought maybe he was tampering with the medication or something... possibly the cause of Joyce's illness.
But in the Listening to Fear script (which will be posted later this
week), when he's walking out to his car, they describe him as shaky and
sweaty and he pops a couple of pills. So I think he took them for himself.
But this was all cut. I'm curious about why it was cut. I understand
taking it out of Shadow (so the revelation in LtF would be a surprise).
Will they show it later? Have they changed the direction? These are the
things I love to find out!
i think perhaps they wanted us to guess who ben is for a little bit longer, popping those sedatives would too strongly hint that he was definately related to glory... right now, there is still a guess about who he could be... not to us spoiler sluts, of course, but to the general population...
while glory sucks the sanity out of others, ben just takes pills to remain sane...
[Edited out spoiler from future episode]
[This message has been edited by Zelda (edited December 06, 2000).]