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Tara: Tripled? Like first money, then
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[This message has been edited by xita (edited April 25, 2001).]

First, the W/T stuff…

- W/T on the couch was sooooo cute
- The talk between Willow and the Buffybot was funny, at the end she tells Willow “you’re recently gay” but before Willow can say anything, Xander and Anya walk in…damn
- For those who thought the pics of Tara looking pensive meant something…well they don’t, those pics are of her waking up

You know the pic with the Buffybot straddling Spike in the cemetery, well when I saw that pic; I thought that she was just sitting on top of him, doing a little dirty talk maybe, well that’s not what was going on, they were having sex, she was ridding him good, hips swaying back and forth, I am always amazed at what Joss can get away with on TV, now if he can only turn this power towards W/T

When the real Buffy shows up and Xander tells her that it’s wrong what she’s doing with Spike, Xander says “It’s understandable, Spike is strong and mysterious and sort of compact but well-muscled” and he says this with a funny look on his face and Buffy replies “I am not having sex with Spike but I’m starting to think that you might be”, it was real funny.

The scene where Spike tells Glory that she’s the god of bad home perms is hilarious, he pisses her off royally.

When Buffy, pretending to be the robot, goes to see Spike, he asks her where she’s been and she answers, “I fell down and got confused. Willow fixed me. She’s gay”, so we got two more Willow’s gay in this ep.

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what if willow decided to "experiment" with the buffybot and tara walked in as the bot and willow were kissing?

Loved W/T and the head on the shoulder - a nice moment..

Loved when Buffy told Xander "....I'm starting to think that you might be." {sleeping with Spike}

Loved the Willow "gay" comments.

But I could have done without the visual of Buffybot straddling Spike in the cemetery.

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Ashley - yeah, I caught that on The WB "our final four eps" I am so glad that I have a local UPN affiliate.

Grrr.

yeah that was a very funny ep, but what I cant get over is the preview. I need to start preparing mentally for it starting now....that looked very sad. Any ideas as to who Willow was crying with near the end? I thought it was buffy at first, but I'm pretty sure that's her and tara.

BB: "You're recently gay."
RB as BB: "She's gay."
BB's readouts/vital stats: "GAY (1999-PRESENT)"

So, she's been so since at least 'December' of S4! Interesting.

Kal

Yeah, the Spike torture scene was hard to watch, but not as hard as the cemetery boinking scene. Ick. And I was really stunend that Spike held up so well against Glory and stood his ground. It kind of confused me because I'm usually, like, "they haven't killed Spike yet? Just get rid of him," but after this ep I'm kind of glad he was around to protect Dawn. I'm nowhere near being a B/S shipper, but you can cross me off of the 'I'm sick of Spike' list.

This ep for me was like IWMTLY in that it wasn't great, but it had some very, very funny parts in it. I loved seeing Willow have some great little scenes like when she lets the guy from class borrow her book but she warns him repeatedly to not spill anything on it or to bend the corners on the pages. Ahh, my little Willow is still a nerd after all.

Willow was also funny with her remark about the Salem witch burners being all "less satanic that thou." I liked the cute scene with W/T watching tv coming after the Bbot/S sex because it hit me as Jane Espenson saying "here's a bad, nasty relationship, now here's the nice, sane, comfortable one."

And the part with Buffy making hokey-pokey remarks about Giles' ritual cracked me up. So did the Buffybot pronouncing Giles wrong with a hard 'g'.

Overall, I liked it a lot for little reasons, but it had too many weird parts like the boring scene with the first slayer and the icky sex in the cemetery scene to be a classic.

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I slow mo-ed a few times through that preview and that looks like it's Tara to me... interesting few scene's in there...did you see the couple shots of what looked to be a colossal fight between Willow and Glory? In one of them you can see furniture knocked over in the room around them...right before it looks like Glory knocks her into next week...
Ouch...

The Junky

*sobbing*

I wanna tv. I wanna tv. I wanna tv.

Okay, I'm going to stop saying that now. Until next week at least.

*sigh*

Arwen - missing smoochies is a terrible thing. So is not being able to convince friends to let you watch Buffy at their house cuz they don't like the show. Pffffft.

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Tara: "I want my room to be Willow-friendly."

Tara's reaction to Willow trying to rationalize Buffy having sex with Spike was great. When she said "What are you, kidding? She's nuts!", I had to laugh. It reminded me so much of her quirky comment from Triangle.

Junky, yeah I noticed that scene where Will is knocked from here to next tuesday. I also think that the closeup of the hands were those of Willow and Tara. There were a bunch of jumbled scenes though. I think many of the scenes they showed may be for the eps to come. Unless Buffy and the gang flee in the rv at the end of this ep. Notice how they played it off so it would seems as though the ep is centered around Dawn? No mention of Tara. Ok, one things for sure...this is going to be very hard to watch. Even though I have faith that Willow and Tara will be ok in the end, few things can be worse than to fight with someone you love and then have something horrible happen to them. Damn, btvs for playing with our emotions this way. I dont know why I subject myself to this gut-wrenching angst, but i keep coming back. I guess that's the mark of a damn good show....

Anyway, it looks like a little bit was cut when Tara was talking about Willow. Here's what was in the script (which will be posted tomorrow):

Xander, Anya and Dawn are in the apartment as Tara enters.

TARA
Okay. Warning spell’s all set.

XANDER
That’s it? We’re all protected up for
the night?

TARA
Well, it’s probably not as good as
Willow could do.
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You wouldn’t believe how quick she
picks this stuff up.

XANDER
She’s really smart.

i'm so nervous for next week!

but i liked this ep a lot. many funny lines. buffybot asking anya about her money...ROFL!

--Taking it or dishing it out, we again see just how tough can be. I mean, how many of us would want to goad someone as powerful as Glory into hitting hard enough to break chains?
--Snerk! Loooovvvved the whole What-are-you-kidding-she's-nuts!
--I predict a spate of Buffybot fanfic!
--Wow. Whatever that message from The First Slayer meant, I'm intrigued!
--This episode also reaffirms my own belief that if Xander had met the right guy...well, you know (which could still be great news for Anya eventually).

I could tell you all a fun story about a marching band competion in Palmdale in where my lips froze to my trumpet mouthpiece, but we won't go there.

Anyway, I liked the ep A LOT more than I thought I would, and while the Spike sex scenes were Icky, the funny campiness of the ep *almost* made up for it.

I watched the show at a friend's house with bunches of people, so I missed some lines while others made comments, but I'm gonna watch my tape now and slo-mo the warm-fuzzy W/T scenes.

But I was thinking...last season, after February sweeps and some real powerhouse eps, including the incredible "Who Are You," we got "Superstar" and then "Where the Wild Things Are," which IMO were the weakest eps of S4. This season, after February sweeps and some real powerhouse eps, including the incredible "The Body," we got "Forever" and "Intervention," which IMO are as far from weak as Anya is from maintaining a single hairdo from one week to the next. I loved both of them.

"Intervention" was not quite what I expected. What I expected was that, after the anguish of "The Body" and "Forever," we get something light-hearted, a gay romp if you will. Or as close to it as this series gets. And yeah, there were tons o' laffs in this ep, way more than in the last two, but still--it felt really intense. The Spike-getting tortured stuff was painful to watch; I've never really felt sympathy for Spike before but I did tonight. I don't think I could stand it if something similar happened to another Scooby...I really don't think I could take it. Please Joss. Please.

Anyway...there was a point lying around here somewhere...I do think that this has overall been a better season than last year, and the last few eps really demonstrate that. Season 4 seemed to kind of wander aimlessly toward its climax, but this season feels like it's hurtling headlong towards the end, picking up speed and getting a whole lot bumpier with each passing week. It's a helluva ride, and I think I'll really enjoy it if I don't puke my guts out. And I sorta feel like I might.

Minor complaints: okay, so they're really making a point of how strong Willow's magick has become, but does it have to be at the expense of Tara's dignity? That whole bit with Xander not trusting Tara's warning spell...it just seems like cannon fodder for the Tara-is-useless brigade. And she just meekly went along with him...that's Season 4 Tara, not the Tara we know now. It annoyed me.

Also, the Buffybot's readout on Willow: "Gay (1999-Present)." Yeah, it was cute, but--like the "Gay now!" of "Triangle," seems to underscore the complaints of some people that Willow just suddenly "became" gay and that she could "become" straight again in the future. I really feel that Willow has always been gay...she just realized it in 1999. Which I guess would have been a little bit too much to fit on the Buffybot's screen, but...anyway that bothered me.

I've heard grumbling about how people keep mentioning the fact that Willow's gay, and I have two comments on it. #1 - We get comments about other people too, like Buffy being the Slayer or Spike being a vampire or Anya being an ex-demon. Why is no one complaining about that? #2 - Willow and Tara are ground-breaking characters, especially Willow since she discovered she was gay after previously feeling like she was straight. I've often compared them to the first major black TV characters in the 60s. The only difference is that nobody had to tell the audience Lt. Uhura was black, because the audience could see for itself. That's not necessarily the case with Willow.

As for the episode itself, it had just about everything I like in a Buffy episode - humor, action, thought-provoking riddles. On the other hand, it was a bit silly that the gang wouldn't recognize the Buffybot as not being Buffy, but that kind of theatrical mistaken-identity gag has been around for centuries so I'm not too bothered by it. The episode was by no means earth-shattering, but it certainly made for an enjoyable hour. Lots better than a show about the Salem witch trials that would only upset me.

One more thing - about the Buffy/Spike bit at the end. Much has been made about Buffy rewarding her stalker with a kiss, but it seemed perfectly natural to me. Buffy pretended to be the robot to find out what Spike had done, and when she saw the lengths he had been prepared to go (and almost did) to protect her and Dawn, she spontaneously thanked him for it. There's a bond between Buffy and Spike. It's not a romantic/sexual one like the 'shippers want, but it is there, and I didn't mind seeing it.

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"I have no plans to send Tara anywhere. Amber and Alyson have such great chemistry; they're so great together, and they're very romantic together. We have terrible, terrible things to do to them because they're on my show, so needless to say, horrible things will happen--but as a couple, I think they work really well." - Joss Whedon

Remember the Official Kitten Board Mantra - "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"

and hey when xander and anya walked in and willow and tara were on the couch, what did tara have in her hand?

liked the way tara spoke of willows magic prowess, she seemed rather proud of willow blowing right past her in the magic department

like the fact that the girls were sleeping next to each other at xanders

and so who here hasn't replayed the W&T snuggle on the couch about 600 times now? (G)
loved the "honey" Tara uses for willow, it seems to be a fav term of endearment but would have liked to have seen them holding hands or a bit of affection.

and hey, I'm with buffy in thinking xander might have more than lesbians in his sexual fantasy's (G)

thought willows difficulty with 'intervening" but her sensitivity during buffy intervention was consistent and nice to see, she loves buffy and its very hard for her to deal with facing buffy sleeping with vamp behavior problems (G)

given the 'pain' we know is coming for the girls I would have liked to have seen more of them happy in this eppie, maybe even a peck on the cheek, or open hug between them on the couch or elsewhere.

on the down side, icky icky icky sexbot spike stuff and I have to wonder what the heck the writers were smoking when they wrote this and decided to make a sexbot humping fool of spike

they once wrote Spike as the Big Bad I just wish they would go back to that.

I like spike as the evil Big Bad, but I'm in need of many tummy rubs from watching him degenerate into this twisted wanker with his plastic dollie

and I'm now totally convinced kisses should be for W&T to share and Buffy should have to get major therapy before she's allowed to place her lips anywhere near a guy's face!
I mean have the writers gone mad?? what's with her self pummeling over riley and even kissing spike, ugh ick, had to wash my eye balls out after that bit.

so I'm adding the couch snuggles to my W&T compilation tape and that's what I'll be watching until I see spoilers that Tara has her mind back and is safe in willows arms.

I loved the snuggle. I loved that we finally found out concretly that Tara had talked to Willow about her mom. Also the way they watch tv together. That they make a "watching tv" date. It's oh so terribly cute.

death is your gift. It seems to be an echo of what Dracula said to Buffy. You are a killer. It's not like she's going to give someone death or someone will give her death. It's more like she's gifted at bringing death, i.e. being a killer.

Spike/Buffy, it was gratitude, friendship. Not romance. I wonder if they are making Spike a scoobie now. Hmm..

Rayne! Thanks for the quick script!
I like reading that cut bit cause it makes it clear that Tara is proud of Willow and in no way jealous of her power.

I thought it was funny when BuffyBot was talking to Willow and said she was recently gay, the look on Willow's face is like the cutest thing. Apparently I'm really big on the faces to makes, go figure.

The whole Willow-being-paranoid-about-her-notes thing is so funny, it reminds everyone the Willow is still the same old dork at heart (like in 'Triangle' when Willow was talking about going over her notes in a series of different colored pens).

The part with Xander and the real Buffy and him having sex with Spike was so funny.

Also when Xander and Anya tell Willow and Tara about Buffy and Tara freaks out about how wrong that is and how is out of her mind is very funny.

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
As far as Willow's "Gay (1999-present)" business, remember that this is Spike's interpretation of what happened and not the objective truth of the matter.

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Yeah, I know...it does make sense contextually. I was just more concerned about its effect outside the Buffyverse. I guess I shouldn't expect the writers to consider what effect their words might have outside the context of the show--I mean, that's not really part of their job--but I think I sorta do. My problem, not theirs, I suppose.

Dr. G, I too feel the bile rise in my throat when anyone disses Amber's acting, but--while I completely and utterly disagree with what was said above--I am going to remain calm.

Look at me, I'm growing!

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I don't believe anyone has yet mentioned the scene of Fembot Buffy *ahem* servicing Spike. How in the world did Joss get that past the nortorious WB censors? It was one of the most explicit things I've ever seen alluded to on network tv.

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Originally posted by Dazey:
This season, after February sweeps and some real powerhouse eps, including the incredible "The Body," we got "Forever" and "Intervention," which IMO are as far from weak as Anya is from maintaining a single hairdo from one week to the next

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LOLOL! i just read this, and i love it! hee hee hee...

anyway, i really liked this ep. buffy does smart, witty humor like no other show does, and this show was especially good at that. it had some great lines, like willow's "less satanic than thou" and the exchange between anya and the buffybot about money. a lot of the buffybot stuff, actually. i was fearing that the buffybot would be lame, but instead it cracked me up.

I'm still trying to figure that out.

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"Even when I'm at my worst, you always make me feel special. How do you do that?"

My guess is that they had Dawn steal the ear rings just for the purpose of getting her close to the window where the minion was in an attempt (a bit failed, I think) to make us worried about how Glory is closing in on Dawn and how the gang can only protect her so much. I don't think the theft in itself represents anything more than just showing us Dawn is a little devil. Another 'bad girl' in Buffy's life to take the place of Faith - though Dawn is, of course, much less sexual and evil with her badness.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantras:

"Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"

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Originally posted by calliope:
Ok I have to be honest, and i know alot of people are goign to hate me for sayign this, but although I thought the couch scene was cute and I like Aly and Amber, but...Amber butchered that line. It was so awkardly delivered it ruined the whole scene for me. I had been excited to see it having read the closed captions before, but when she delivered her "oh honey, let's change it" line, I cringed. Never happened to me before, and again I love them, but that was just bad acting there on Amber's part. It was just that one line though. The rest were good. I was just disappointed, because i had been looking foward to it.

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You know, I had the same reaction. However, since we all know that Amber can act I'm more inclined to blame the director. It seemed like they were going for a bit of sitcomy humor and it didn't work too well. I think if they started with a tigher shot on Willow's face looking upset and then zoomed out a bit as she mentioned the Salem trials it would have been better. Also Xander and Anya needed to come in a beat sooner, at least IMHO.
The episode was sort of an odd mixture of humor and intensity. Some of it worked really well, other parts kind of disrupted the flow for me.

Amber is a human being, and as such there are going to be times when she won't get a line or a gesture or a movement exactly right. I think she'd be the first person to agree with that. We don't need to portray Amber as perfect here, nor do we need to pick on her for her occasional mistakes. She's human and we should accept her as such.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantras:

"Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"

Anyway, your apology--and your not getting riled up--is appreciated by this kitten.

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Originally posted by Carrie:
After hearing over and over on Angel about how he can 'smell' people, surely Spike would have been able to smell that it was the real Buffy in the final scene?

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Under normal circumstances, yes, but Spike had several things working against him in that scene.

The main one being, of course, that he'd just gotten the ^**^&( kicked out of him by Glory. Most of his face was swollen, both of his eyes were nearly shut, and he was probably in so much pain it's probably something of a minor miracle that he recognized Buffy's kiss as coming from a human than a robot.

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Kirk B

"Even when I'm at my worst, you always make me feel special. How do you do that?"

-Amy