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New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:36 pm

Someone help me - I just can't get these Buffy essays to stop. :shock



I'm still waiting for the final word on Angel before I finish my "End of Mutant Enemy" essay, but this afternoon I had the following new essay fall into my head. See what you think of it:








Things That Never Were



Ten missed opportunities on Buffy the Vampire Slayer





May Sweeps are upon us, and with them comes the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It’s a time for reflection, a time to look back at the show’s long run. There are some who are happy with the way the show is ending. Others are not. And if the Nielsen ratings can be trusted, there are many who have checked out early.



Joss Whedon and his band of writers have insisted that they are being true to “the story,” that “the story” and its needs have taken them to where the show is ending. But is that true? Has the plot really been driven by story “needs,” or is it really more a matter of story choice? Are there other story choices out there that might have been better, or at least as viable, as the plot we were given?



Here - in no particular order - are ten story elements that I’ve come to think of as “missed opportunities.” Alternate choices to the ones Mutant Enemy made. This is not an attempt to say that the show would have been better if only these things had been done. (Some of them are, in fact, mutually exclusive, so they couldn’t have all been done.) They are simply other possibilities, one or more of which would have changed the way Buffy unfolded in its later years. Would any of them have made the show better? Read on and decide for yourself.





#1 - Keeping the gang in school. Most people identify Buffy’s first three seasons, the Sunnydale High years, as the show’s best. One of the reasons for the show’s success in those years is that the high school setting provided a context that the audience could understand and relate to. The high school experience is so self-contained and emotionally charged that it provided an excellent setting for the fantasy/horror events that were going on there.



UC Sunnydale was perfectly capable of providing that same kind of environment. Whatever problems may have existed with Season 4, the college setting itself wasn’t to blame for them. There were plenty more college stories to tell - all-night cramming sessions, sorority pledging (imagine what “hell week” might mean at UC Sunnydale), teaching assistants from hell, Willow’s drama class. Season 4 didn’t even come close to exhausting the possibilities.



And yet UC Sunnydale was largely abandoned in late Season 5, and it disappeared completely in early Season 6. Instead, the characters were thrown out into the adult world, where they floundered around aimlessly, not knowing their places. It made the willing suspension of disbelief more difficult - and not just because the monsters weren’t as credible in the adult world. In the adult world, removed from the school setting, the characters began to look more like they were the ages of the actors playing them instead of the ages they were supposed to be, which further weakened the credibility of the show’s premise.



#2 - Giving Xander a story arc. It seemed like every summer for the past four years has been filled with rumors that the next season of Buffy was going to be “the season of Xander,” that Xander was finally going to get a major story arc. Unfortunately, that never happened. The closest thing he got to an arc was the aimlessness he drifted through in Season 4 and early Season 5.



But is that the way things had to be? “The Replacement” was the perfect opportunity to start Xander on his own journey into adulthood. At the same time that we watched Buffy, Willow and Tara going to college, we could have had seen Xander learning the ropes of his trade. Again, there were plenty of story opportunities - dealing with a union, dealing with a bad boss or troublesome coworkers, being pressured to cut corners, having to work his way up the ladder, and so on. All that was wasted. Xander’s carpentry career wasn’t treated as a story element nearly as much as it was treated as an excuse to get out of hearing about Xander’s aimlessness.



As with the case of abandoning UC Sunnydale, catapulting Xander into rapid success as a carpenter damaged the audience’s ability to suspend disbelief. There’s no way someone of Xander’s young age and relative inexperience could have been given the kind of authority he’s been depicted as having. It made Xander look more like he was Nicholas Brendon’s age instead of his own age.



#3 - Letting Xander and Anya get married. Marriage isn’t just the happy ending of a romance story. It’s the beginning of a new story all its own, with plenty of room for the heartache and angst that Mutant Enemy is so fond of. Showing Xander and Anya has a married couple would have added an extra dimension to the cast of characters. It would have set them apart from the crowd.



It’s not as if marriage has no good story opportunities. Can you imagine Xander and Anya trying to figure out joint household finances? Going to marriage counseling? Can you imagine Anya pregnant? Unfortunately, imagining such stories is all we’re able to do, since Mutant Enemy gave up all of them when Xander left Anya at the altar.



#4 - Making more of Anya’s return to vengeance. Anya’s vengeance demon story arc was so sparse that it could have been done in one tightly-written episode. She gains her powers back, discovers that she’s become too human to use them, and then gives them up again. Instead, the plot was stretched across ten episodes, from “Entropy” to “Selfless,” with a summer hiatus in the middle. That’s longer than the amount of time Angel spent being Angelus in Season 2 - and yet so much less happened in that time.



If Anya was fated to be a vengeance demon again, there were plenty of story opportunities that would have let her be a vengeance demon. And not only that, but certainly in the midst of all the chaos at the end of Season 6 it might have occurred to someone that Anya’s powers could be used to undo one or more of the things that went wrong. Imagine the predicament then - Anya would have been stuck as a vengeance demon, because undoing the wishes she granted would have meant harm and death for her friends. It’s one more dramatic conflict that we never got to see.



#5 - Making use of Dawn's "key-ness." Supposedly Dawn was “the key,” a mystical blob of glowing green energy. An entire sect of monks was devoted to it. So was an entire legion of knights. And after the time to use her “key powers” came and went, what happened next? Apparently nothing. She had no residual power left over, no special abilities. She may have been “made from Buffy,” but she didn’t have Buffy’s Slayer power. It seemed that all she was good for was whining and screaming “Get out! Get out! Get out!” at people.



Having Dawn around gave the audience a different perspective on Buffy. Having her go through the same school trials that Buffy went through could have provided a fresh look at where the series had gone. But apart from one or two episodes, that’s not what happened.



#6 - Making more of Sunnydale. Many people point to Season 3 as the show’s best, and Season 3 just happens to be the season where Sunnydale made the most sense. In Season 3 we learned that Sunnydale was put on the Hellmouth deliberately, by someone who wanted to use the demonic power it attracted for his own purposes. It made the town almost like a character all its own. But once the Mayor was gone, Sunnydale faded into the background again.



If Mutant Enemy was going to insist on taking Buffy and her friends out of school, then they could have at least provided them with a well-textured environment where their struggles into adulthood could have taken place. The occasional demon bar or game of kitten poker hasn’t been enough, because there’s no credible framework around them. Perhaps more importantly, the lack of a detailed environment has closed the show down around its core characters. Buffy and her friends fight the forces of evil - but who are they fighting for? Who do they help? Who do they protect? Since the audience never got to know anyone but Buffy and her friends, the fight against evil looks more like a small private feud instead of a struggle of global proportions.



#7 - Giving Buffy a new Watcher. In “Checkpoint” we learned that the Watchers Council needs a Slayer to watch - so much so that they caved in to all of Buffy’s demands without a single bit of haggling. And yet once Giles left in “Tabula Rasa,” the Council apparently left with him. Did they not need a Slayer any more? If not, why not?



It’s true that Buffy probably wouldn’t have accepted a new Watcher, but wouldn’t it have been interesting to see that happen? A Watcher would have given Buffy a sense of direction and purpose, things she was desperately lacking in Season 6. Even if she’d wanted nothing to do with a new Watcher, her attempts to resist one or prove she didn’t need one would have given her some kind of a goal to strive for. Instead, she got nothing - and so did the audience.



#8 - Keeping Tara alive. I’ve already written extensively about the importance of the Willow/Tara relationship, but here I want to examine Tara individually. The show established a rich family background for her - the men in her family tricked their women with myths about being demons, her grandmother owned a doll’s eye crystal, and her mother was a powerful witch who died young. We knew more about Tara’s heritage than that of any other character on the show, including Buffy herself. Surely something could have been made of it.



Furthermore, as Season 6 progressed, Tara’s separation from Willow allowed her to stand on her own as a strong character in her own right. She was Dawn’s surrogate mother and Buffy’s confidante. She had Wiccan knowledge and wisdom that Willow lacked. Even though her magical power wasn’t as great as Willow’s, she had established her own place and her own presence among Buffy’s friends. Imagine what the show might have looked like if Mutant Enemy had decided to use all that character development to tell stories instead of using it just to inflate the shock value of Tara’s “surprise” death.



#9 - Creating a believable Dark Magic Willow story. The excuse given for Tara’s death in “Seeing Red” is that “it was necessary to send Willow over the edge.” But there’s a flaw in that argument - if something was necessary to send Willow over the edge, then the implication is that Willow wouldn’t have gone over the edge by herself. Killing Tara was therefore an artificial contrivance, not a natural development.



In fact, Willow was well on the way to going over the edge all by herself. In the beginning of Season 6, it was established that Willow had come to depend on magic as a way to get things done quickly and easily. The fact that she could use magic so well made her feel special. It was a boost to her self-esteem that she felt like she couldn’t live without. Under these circumstances, Willow could have easily come into conflict with Buffy about how to fight the latest demons to arrive in Sunnydale. She could have easily become estranged from the rest of the gang. She could have easily pushed her quest for power too far and become Dark Magic Willow all on her own.



Instead, Willow’s problem was inexplicably transformed into a thinly disguised drug addiction story. Instead of watching Dark Magic Willow develop gradually through the middle of Season 6, we got to see Willow moping around and being in “magic recovery.” Willow spent all of three episodes in her dark magic persona instead of the nine episodes that Angel spent being Angelus or the ten episodes that Anya spent as a vengeance demon. And yet Mutant Enemy insists that the Dark Magic Willow story was important - so important that they had to kill Tara for it. Was a three-episode arc really worth that much?



One final note on the killing of Tara - if Willow had been allowed to reach her dark magic state on her own, Tara wouldn’t have needed to die. In fact, Tara would have been vital to Willow’s eventual recovery, since she would have nursed Willow back to health and taught her to respect the magical powers they wield. Instead, in Season 7 all we got was a faceless coven of far-away witches - hardly the kinds of characters capable of creating an interesting story.



#10 - Making something of Faith’s return. In Season 4, Faith hardly left Sunnydale under ideal conditions. Buffy and Willow both hated her. In fact, Buffy followed her to Los Angeles and got into a fight with Angel over her. Since that time, Buffy and Willow have both had trips to the dark side of their own. Presumably, they both understand a little more about what Faith went through and why Faith did the things she did. You would therefore think that Buffy and Willow would both have some interesting things to say when they saw Faith again - but apparently that’s not going to happen. Faith and Willow drove all the way back to Sunnydale together, but as far as we can tell they didn’t talk about anything of substance. And once Faith got to Sunnydale, she more or less took her place as one more cog in the plot machine, with very little of what happened before being up for discussion.





As I said at the start of this essay, these are simply possibilities. Opportunities that weren’t exploited. Choices that weren’t made. Places where the course of the Buffy storyline could have been altered. Options that might have given us a very different series than the one we see in Buffy’s final episodes. My point in highlighting them is to show that writing is about making choices. You can’t hide behind “the needs of the story,” because as a writer your choices are what produce the “needs” that you’re hiding behind. As we head down the Buffy home stretch, we are where we are not because this is where the story has taken us, but because this is where Mutant Enemy chose to put us.



Just something to think about as the final episodes roll.








Comments, anyone?



"The first task of anyone, lest you get canceled, is to entertain people, because they ain't there for message." - Dick Wolf

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 4/30/03 10:12:01 pm
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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby WebWarlock » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:58 pm

again, good job. More detail later. There is certainly the implcation of many unkept promises. I know you need to keep the audience wanting more, but not the point they feel like they have less than when they started. Buffy's end should fill us with more, I feel less now then I did before I ever started watching.



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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:06 pm

As I reread my work, something occurred to me - kind of like the big pink elephant in the center of the room that you're not supposed to notice.



Almost everything I listed didn't happen because room had to be cleared out for Spuffy.



Think about it - there wasn't time for Anya's return to vengeance to mean anything, for a proper Dark Magic Willow story arc, for a new Watcher to come, for Dawn to have any key powers or for Tara's family to be explored. All that had to be shoved aside so that Spuffy could take center stage. I'm a bit undecided as to whether I should point that out in the essay or just let people figure it out for themselves.



Of course, that doesn't explain why nothing's been done this season. Now all the development of the recurring characters has been shoved aside for the Potentials. I guess that's because they were desperately looking for something to use in a spinoff. I can't help wondering if Faith wouldn't have been so much of a pod person if Eliza had said yes to the spinoff idea. Now that she's not being spun off, the writers don't really know what to do with her.

"The first task of anyone, lest you get canceled, is to entertain people, because they ain't there for message." - Dick Wolf

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby darkmagicwillow » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:38 pm

For #2, I think Xander should have been in the Initiative, having been recruited on his travels. We didn't need an extra character in addition to replacing Angel, Cordelia, and Oz with Spike, Anya, and Tara, and Xander would have had an interesting story. I might have cared how Xander felt about losing his superpowers instead of Riley, and we could've also seen Xander as developing competence instead of being a joke.



I don't think that #3 is strong enough to stand on its own with #2 and #4 about Xander and Anya respectively.



For #8, I think the point about Tara standing on her own is very important, as neither Tara nor Anya has the outside friends and life that Cordy and Oz did when they were on the show. They didn't have to be so one-dimensional, which ties in the setting problems you mention in #1 and #6.

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby The Rose24 » Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:53 pm

Great job as usual Bob.



I agree that Anya's time as a vengeance demon is wasted. What is the point? Willow could have made a wish to seek vengeance on Warren, but no, she has to do it all buy herself. This could have been an excellent way to save Tara.



I do not think season three is the best season. There are too many episodes I disliked. Season five is the most consistent(IMO). Everything is wrapped up right up to the troll hammer. There is really only one episode I dislike, and that is "I Was Made to Love You." This ep is kind of silly up until the end.



I definitely agree with you about Tara, but I do not think Willow's power greatly exceeds Tara's. It seems like Tara's power is overlooked, and we never really learn how powerful Tara really can be. She could have played a significant role in increasing Willow's respect for magick and nursing Willow back to health.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


Edited by: The Rose24  at: 4/28/03 9:55:51 pm
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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby Hair Annoyed » Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:16 am

This essay almost made me cry thinking of all the wonderful stories that might have been told but weren't. That man treats the story with the same arrogance and contempt as he treats the audience. I think that Spuffy, magic addiction, Tara's death, and the attempted rape are the result of Joss giving the story what it "needs" instead of what it "wants".

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby AmbersSecretAdmirer » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:21 am

Comment we shall. Just to say that I agree fully with your esay, am just gonna add my perspective to it.



1) Agree that season 5 on they did seem to be languishing without some kind of background, be it School, College or Sunnydale itself. Looking at human frailty is okay as long as you give it a context, and that includes a place. The real problem really became when the writing became introverted. All the problems seemed to be happening to the Scoobies alone instead of other people.



2) Kill him? I have never really liked Xander as I always considered him selfish and completely driven by his own agenda. But even that point has never been fully explored. In the s7 episode (I cant remember the title, but the Anya-centred one) when it is relvealed, at least to Willow, that Xander had alowed Angel to die in s2 there has been no comeback for that. Seeing as Giles has been chastised by Buffy for killing Ben, why hasn't Xander had it coming for Angel, Sweet (cos let's face it, all the death and mayhem he caused is Xander's fault) and the wedding fiasco hasn't been explored. It has become either a point for lame jokes or merely swept under the carpet.



3) At least it would have been something. Or if not them, then Willow and Tara. Now either one of them could have generated plenty of story ideas.



4) Yes, Anya the vengeance demon who can teleport except when Willow has her by the throat. Can reverse things at the wish of wronged women but doesn't resurrect Tara. JW would probably say that didn't hapen because it didn't serve the story, but what we got didn't serve logic.



5) Dawn, another useless character. I like the idea of through her, doing the kind of High School style stories they didn't do first time around with Buffy and the Scoobies. The fact is though is that Michelle Trachtenberg has been thoroughly wasted for 3 seasons, I wonder how she truly feels about that?



6) I think I kinda covered this point in 1) so I'll move on.



7) It certainly would have helped cause friction but this is where I have a problem. See I have no argument with the idea of Season 6 being about growing up and that real life and responsibility being the Big Bads for the season, in that respect I don't mind there not being a new Watcher. The problem lay in it's execution. Up until "Wrecked" I thought the season was doing really well, being exceptionally brave and tackling darker territory, it was after that episode that things went RAPIDLY downhill.



8) Yeah, well we all agree on that score. The real crime was that Tara had so much potential as a character in her own right that even, Goddess forbid, her split with Willow had been permanent, she still would have been an interesting character to watch. Tara is the best single example of ME's downfall, not just because of her death but how little she was treated and regarded in life.



9) The question of course is why have a DMW story in the first place. This kinda bolts ontomy point about the season as a whole. They bottled it, knowing that things weren't going well they went for their usual (and so BADLY written) apocalypse ending that truly staggered belief. IMO, after "Wrecked" Buffy should have kicked Willow out, she would have hooked up with Amy and Rack and began to spiral down from there, having a psychotic break and believing herself to be omnipotent because of the power. She would have been a real test for Buffy and the Scoobies and I think a full-on magic duel would have happened between Willow and Tara as Tara battled for Willow's soul. What an ending that could have been. But as you rightly say, too much time wasted with Spuffy.



10) Faith returns!! HMM! For me the Jury is still out but I live in Scotland so I haven't seen the Buffy eps with Faith yet (we're just finishing the Angel eps, 'Orpheus' is on here on Thursday night). After all the fanfare, I hope they do something with her rather than just making up the numbers.

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby Sheridan » Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:34 am

Bob as usual a great essay my only comment is the 'do something with...' headings sound a little vague, maybe make them a little more varied or pick one specific possiblity; like 'make Dawn an SIT'?

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby sam7777 » Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:03 pm

Bob: Great Essay! You should get this one out before the season ends.



#10. The DMW arc was the biggest lost opportunity IMHO. It could have been great making people forget about the Angelus arc but they copped out for the addiction storyline. I agree that having Willow turn evil on her own makes much more sense than having an outside agent (even Tara's death be the catalyst). That gives Willow a cop out excuse to not take blame for what she did and gutted the drama of the story IMHO. Notice how in season 7 they really had no story to tell about Willow and her magic problem. There was no drama to her falling off the wagon again nor could they have her actually do DMW again because it was repititious. Thus we are stuck with nw/nssk and no real resolution to Willow's magic arc.



I would have loved to see Willow bad last season and Tara and the gang wrking to bring her back. It would have given them an opportunity to contrast light and dark magic and actually deal with adult issues like taking responsibility for their actions. It seems to me that Joss' idea of a 20 something is like that rich guy whose parents sent him overseas to Switzerland to avoid facing up to a rape charge. Thats what they did with Willow. Instead of her having to deal with the adult consequeces, she is sent away to evade responsibility. And Mr Girlpower never saw fit to show us the coven. Why not? Because so many powerful women do not fit in with his "vision".



I agree that spuffy was done to the exclusion of the other characters. I would have loved to see a Xander arc last season after he was ignored 4th and 5th season.



Truly there were lots of missed opportunities. This is the sort of realization that will help fans to forget about the show. The end of a show is as important as it's beginning and can color how you fell about all that has gone before.

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 4/29/03 3:42:52 pm
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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby dekalog » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:52 pm

Bob the essay is wonderful - only thing is you could have easily made it a top 20 list.



"Even though her magical power was nowhere near Willow’s"



You could start at #11 with this the decision to make Willow more powerful than Tara. When Tara was introduced this was certainly not the feeling you got - what if Tara were more powerful - then again Buffy would have to spend time on the witches and take time away from Spuffy. Now I think I have to go read lisa's fic again.

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby Garner » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:27 pm

Good essay Bob. I have to say that I thought they brought Buffy back perhaps too quickly in Season sux. Why not show the gang grieving a bit, and trying to get along without her more. Show the arugment between W/T over bringing Buffy back, show Willow becoming more dependent on magic, show Spike protecting Dawn a bit more. All of that could have been very interesting.



I also think bringing Buffy back in some better manner might have been useful too. Instead she was ripped out of heaven and thus moped about for most of the season, got in an abusive relationship, ignored Dawn and her friends. I put a lot of the blame on season sux sucking for the way Buffy was returned. That could have been done in any other number of ways that would have kept the heroic and epic feel of the show. Let's see Buffy protecting the innocent more, even Spuffy could have developed along different and more entertaining lines.



The number of possibilities for this show were endless. I have always felt that the real essay on season sux should be BtVS: How the wrong decision was made where any was needed. Or something like that. But that might just be a bit too much of my own viewpoint.



Anyway keep the essays coming while they strike you,



Garner

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby LostWithoutTara » Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:13 pm

Great essay. It's sad to see that there have been so many missed opportunities over the series, Season Six especially.



It would be interesting just to see where the wrong decisions were made and for the writers to explain why these choices were made instead of other ones. We already know about the problem with the addiction - that would've been okay if it had been stretched out over four or five episodes before the cathartic moment, but in one episode it felt too rushed. I admire somewhat what that season was attempting to do - to show how humans are much eviller than any demon or monster, but the writers repeatedly used the most obvious story choices instead of thinking about what fitted the characters and their respective developments. So many cliches, it's embarrassing to watch. But I feel the damage was really done with 'Wrecked'. At that point Willow, Spike and Buffy stopped being Willow Spike and Buffy and became 'Crackwhore junkie', 'Stereotype College Bad Boyfriend' and 'Defenceless Heroine'. Yawn.



But I have to say the Anya thing doesn't really bother me. I really liked Selfless.

Edited by: LostWithoutTara at: 4/30/03 1:45:39 pm
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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby sam7777 » Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:53 pm

Quote:
the writers repeatedly used the most obvious story choices instead of thinking about what fitted the characters and their respective developments. So many cliches, it's embarrassing to watch.
This is the problem in a nutshell. ME can talk about how they subvert cliches but the truth is that that's all they have been doing these past 2 seasons.

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby Sheridan » Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:20 pm

The DMW was a good idea badly executed, and frustrating as the elements to make it plausible were in place, Amy and then Rack. I will always be baffled by the reappearance of Amy; if she wasn't there to drag Willow into the 'dark side' why bother bringing her back? Same really applies to Rack, he had corruption written all over him and yet they simply used him as a petty drug dealer.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby LostWithoutTara » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:59 pm

The whole Amy issue was problematic. I never liked Amy before, but there's no way she was doing the magical equivalent of heroin before 'Gingerbread'. It was another OC action from writers desperate to give some validation to a crappy storyline. There was nothing to stop Willow deratting Amy and them abusing the magics together for a few episodes. Willow could grow more and more complacent and then if Amy brought up the idea of using magic to get high and Willow was okay with it it would be more revealing into how low she'd sunk than making her a helpless 'addict' in the space of 24 HOURS. How the hell do you become completely addicted to something to the point where you're crawling for a fix within A DAY??? Ridiculous and completely implausible. :puke

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby Still Waters Run Deep » Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:56 pm

Excellent, Bob.



Hindsight is wonderfull, but much of what you write was fairly well telegraphed in the first place, so I don't know how Mr Wonderful missed the obvious.



Your comments re: Tara are absolutely spot on. With Giles' out of the way, she was the moral and ethical center of the Scoobies, the one to whom everyone turned when there was a problem. ME really missed a trick there.



Belatedly Dawn is getting some development, and has actually become rather a nice young lady in S7, with a little more depth and maturity, I like her and actually look forward to seeing her on screen, in much the same way I waited for Tara to appear, a pity really since they will pull the plug on her at the end of the season.



S7 is'nt that bad, notwithstanding the obvious disappointments, but I for one don't feel that involved any more, and it's not just the absence of W/T smoochies, but a feeling that everyone writers, cast, crew are somewhat jaded and are ready to call it a day. I think Sarah is absolutely right not to do another season. There is plenty of life left in the individual characters, they just have to be left to get on with it, in another setting [eg Ripper]

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby reyjawk » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:02 pm

This was excellent!!! My husband and I have had this discussion over and over again since last May. We have come up with numerous ways BTVS could have gone that would have made for compelling and serious drama. Instead we get badly written soap opera scripts involving characters we cant recognize.



I beleive a crucial turning point was the Xander leaving Anya at the alter. I think that and the "addiction" storyline is where ME went wrong last season. I think it would have been WAY WAY more interesting for Xander & Anya to get married and then have conflict. Perhaps having Anya realized she does NOT really want to be married. That would have been a good story. Anya has put so much of her self on Xander I think after they got married she would have started confronting who she really is.



As for Willow & Tara, I will never be convinced that Tara had to die. I think it was completely sloppy writing that just spoke how careless the writers were about their story & their characters. I agree with letting DMW develop on her own and having Tara bring her back. But alas I am just a poor viewer who apparently is not intelligent enough to follow a storyline. Or at least ME thinks so...



Toni

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:13 pm

Okay, I've touched up a few parts. Since I'm going on a trip tomorrow, I'm going to send the revised version on to Tim for posting on the web. Once he does that, I hope you'll all be ready to share the news with the C&S, TWOP and the usual places. : -->>:

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu May 01, 2003 12:05 am

Quote:
#5 - Making use of Dawn's "key-ness."




Bob, I sketched out my own personal finale a few weeks ago, and this was a, well, "key" point. Buffy realizes that The First can not be defeated in this universe. Dawn learns this, and also figures out that the same alignments are about to happen as happened in The Gift.



OK, the following is not for the squeamish (which is kind of the point). In a spirit of self-sacrifice (the sacrifice Buffy didn't let her make two years ago), Dawn swallows a bottle of aspirin (i.e. internal bleeding), enabling a portal to be opened directly through her body (w/o the walls breaking down/"all dark forever" consequences), which a tearful Buffy goes through to fight the FE. Willow comes upon a dying Dawn, and at great personal risk to herself, uses magic to hold Dawn together.



To make a long story short (and I didn't really sketch it out much beyond this), Buffy defeats the FE . . . w/ a little help from Someone on the Other Side . . . who just happens to emerge back into our universe w/ Buffy at the end!:bounce (Oh, because this the GG-, not the Joss-verse, Dawn survives as well).



GG Anyone alleging that this Someone's name rhymes w/ "Sara MacRae" would not be incorrect. Ah well: that's my version. :sigh Out

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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby WebWarlock » Wed May 07, 2003 4:30 pm

Now up at



www.xtreme-gaming.com/theotherside/thingstnw.html



Let all know!



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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed May 07, 2003 5:13 pm

Quote:
Now up at



www.xtreme-gaming.com/theotherside/thingstnw.html



Let all know!




Thanks Tim! :bounce :bounce :bounce



Start spreadin' the news... : -->>:

"The first task of anyone, lest you get canceled, is to entertain people, because they ain't there for message." - Dick Wolf

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 5/7/03 4:18:55 pm
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Re: New Essay - "Things That Never Were"

Postby AlteaThree » Fri May 23, 2003 1:03 pm

Agree with the essay, BBOvenGuy, and just wanted to add one very tiny thing that they gave up, like the college experience, only smaller: no hang-out place in s7. There was the library(s1-3), then the lounge/Giles's house/Bornze(s4), then The Magic Box (s5-6). That was an ancoring point...and the writers gave that up. Think of Tabula Rasa, Family, Hush, (all which were on Spacecast's "Top Ten Viewer's Choice Buffy Ep's") Dopplelandgang, etc...these eps used the settings around them, but also respected them. The characters were there for a reason. The eps stand alone, but the setting sure helped.

In s7, though, it seemed everyone was just stuck in the house. The last few eps showed the basement as a kind of hang-out, but it just isnt the same as a an actual, natural hang-out.

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