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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby kpmuse » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:29 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:
That means nothing to me, what he said to Willow is unforgivable, knowing all she’s been through, to ask her to do that anyway, unbelievable, he was a compete jackass.

After what Xander has pulled this season with Anya and now what he did tonight to Willow, I can't wait to see what Steve DeKnight is talking about.

From the Bronze Beta:
Steve DeKnight says:
(Thu Feb 7 18:41:06 2002) [Context]
Jenkins: Xander will get what he deserves. Trust me.

Edited to add: The cornfield reference may have referred to The Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mummy, the kid who had powers over the adults. Remember?

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby The Rose » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:30 pm

There was nothing Willow could do anyway because Anya said only the vengeance demon who cast the spell can break it.

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Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

Tara: Nobody messes with my girl!

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby april » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:30 pm

okay, i'm having problems connecting to the board, so i'll be fast!

like everyone else, i LOVED tonight's ep. FINALLY, we see some real progress between willow and tara, and have a ray of hope for an eventual reunion. woo and hoo!

and how much did tara kick ass during this whole ep? showing up to support buffy (and secretly, to see willow again), casting spells, standing up for willow, teasing spike and, most importantly, demonstrating to willow that she understood and supported her. this was a really great ep for her.

and i agree with those who said that emma gave a great performance in this ep. anya really freaked out, and i don't think that seeing halfrek again and being reminded of the power she no longer has is doing her any good. as this season's theme indicates, she still has a lot of growing up to do.

and speaking of growing up, we finally get some progess on the "klepto dawn" subplot! poor dawn has really been neglected by both the scoobies AND the show's writers, so it's about damn time she gets noticed! here's hoping that things are looking up for her.

god that last scene between willow and tara was great. we've all been waiting so long for some positive w/t interaction, and finally, FINALLY, we get some. now, as has already been said, we just need some *touching*. smoochies, even. we'll get there. i know it.

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Shaniezak » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:30 pm

"Children of the Corn," isn't it? The cornfield ref, I mean?
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Eric tr » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:34 pm

This is my first time posting here, so "hello" to everyone. Anyways beyond all the things mentioned about this episode, I'm glad that someone finally showed some concern for Tara and asked how SHE was doing. It's good to see that Buffy actually cares about Tara as well. This had bothered me ever since Willow and Tara broke up.
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby xita » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:34 pm

No like i insinuated in my earlier post it has to do with the Twilight Zone episode where the kid wishes things into the cornfield. Everything he wishes comes true and all the adults have to watch their every thought they have.
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Rally » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:35 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Shaniezak:
"Children of the Corn," isn't it? The cornfield ref, I mean?

No I would have to agree with the earlier statement of Twighlight Zone. Billy Mummy wishes everyone to stay put and entertain him.

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby imperfectly » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:42 pm

Thanks. The fog of denseness is lifting. Now, how about that title reference. Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Rally » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:45 pm

quote:
Originally posted by imperfectly:
Thanks. The fog of denseness is lifting. Now, how about that title reference. Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

It is attempted to be explained over here

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby kpmuse » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:46 pm

Willow mentioned Spell Casters Anonymous, or something close to that. Did I miss something?

Was this something new?

kris

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Wiccagrrl » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:54 pm

Yes, it's new. At least they had her follow that up with the fact that they're still working on a new name
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Shaniezak » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:05 am

Oooops, okay . . . this is me shutting all uninformed wild guesses away into a little locked box that shall be buried in the back of my closet.

And I kind of have to wonder just why Anya was so keen on getting Halfrek's pendant . . .

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby JodiMnstr » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:14 am

First off...Loved this episode! Tara rocked! It was so great to see so many different sides of her come out. I laughed out loud everytime she was teasing Spike.

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I found a couple of things interesting in this episode. One thing that struck me was the first big Dawn/Scoobie scene, where she runs up the stairs and flails herself on the bed. I was watching this and I realized that not all the Scoobs were present and accounted for. The only one missing is Anya. I mean, sure, she has to attend to the guests, BUT, fast forward a couple of scenes later, and the other guests are nowhere in sight; the Scoobs are very much alone in the living room talking about the spell. So, I don't really think it had anything to do with being a good hostess. Anyway, I just wondered why Anya wasn't present in that particular scene, when everyone else was.

My take on this scene is that you had the core Scoobies (Buffy, Willow and Xander) and the other two members of the gang who have been primarily focused on Dawn - Tara, as a sort of mother figure, and Spike in a protective role. Anya has never really bonded as closely with Dawn as the others, so I didn't find it surprising that she didn't feel compelled to run after her to find out what was going on.

Everyone else has mentioned most of the wonderful Tara, Willow and Tara/Willow moments, but there's one I haven't seen discussed. It's right after Tara has let Sophie in, and Buffy asks Dawn to close the door. As Dawn walks by Tara, Tara reaches out and sort of rubs Dawn's arm, like she's trying to comfort her. It just illustrated to me how empathetic Tara is, and how much she cares for Dawn, since Dawn was feeling a bit let down about Buffy's reaction to her gift.

All in all, great stuff!
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Wiccagrrl » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:14 am

Shaniezak, did you ever see the ep The Wish? The pendant is the source of a vengeance, um, justice demon's power. Smashing Anyanka's pendant was how Giles broke her spell and put things right. Anya wanted to get it so they could break the spell Hallie had put on the house.

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby shellybean » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:15 am

Ok this was definitely the BEST Buffy episode in a LONG time! Tara was so incredible!!! Just everything about her tonight was great. Her interactions with Willow, her teasing Spike, her standing up for Willow(!!) and her little talk with Willow at the end! This ep was definitely a good sign for the Willow/Tara front! Now when are these two going to get back together??
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby circe » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:21 am

The cornfield reference was in regards to a Twilight Zone episode (not the movie, the magazine) where this kids traps his family in a house (yes , they did this in the movie, but bear with me)... anyway, when they are bad, he banishes them to the cornfield..........
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby cachaco » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:23 am

Holy moly, what a terrific ep. I just about died when Tara stood up for Willow, that was so excellent. Emma was really strong in this ep, it's a crime she's so underused. Sometimes I think people are too harsh on Xander this season (prob'ly 'cause his high school incarnation is the character I can most closely identify with on the show), but he can definitely be a putz. Tough call for him to choose between being supportive of his fiancee when she's wigging and supportive of his lifelong friend when she's vulnerable - just shows that he doesn't really understand what Willow is going through. But then, folks being too preoccupied with their own issues to attend to others' was much the theme this time around...

Also, how powerfully this ep drove home the point that all the problems come from within this season. Some of the most harrowing drama of the season comes not from external baddies (altho' disappearing sword-boy was scary) but from internal tensions. Good stuff! And needless to say, what a cornucopia of W/T goodness! Me oh my, that was fun.

So glad I resisted the wildfeed - it was worth it!

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby June » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:26 am

I, like most of you on this board, *loved* this episode for its high Tara quotient. There was other good stuff, too.

Tara looked pretty tonight in basic black, and I'm happy to see that she's being supportive of Willow and Buffy. I wanted to cheer when Tara stood up for Willow, when no one else would. And that last scene with Willow gave me hope that they'll get back together soon.

I agree with whoever said before that Anya annoyed tonight. I understand that she was freaking out, but haranguing and browbeating Willow to perform a spell, when she knows that Willow's vulnerable, was just wrong. And Xander agreed with Anya. Ugh.

Poor Dawnie. While yelling at your friends and family isn't the best way to show your maturity, I still felt sorry for her. Perhaps Buffy now will realize that Dawn needs her to spend some quality time with her.

Overall, good episode.

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Shaniezak » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:28 am

Yeah, Tracy, I initially figured that Anya was after the pendant in order to break the spell . . . but I've also got this nagging little twinge in my head that makes me wonder if seeing her old cohort made her . . . well, nostalgic for the way things used to be?

Either it's going to be one huge red herring, or it's going to factor in somehow, as Xander and Anya are cruising straight for their own share of shakeups right now.

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Wiccagrrl » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:33 am

Well, it's an interesting theory. To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure if Hallie's pendant would work for Anya, or if it is specific to the justice demon in question.
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby xita » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:34 am

About the twilight zone episode, they aren't trapped in the house a whole village is trapped in their village.
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Shaniezak » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:41 am

Which brings up another interesting idea: this whole new twist on the "vengeance demon" concept. I definitely wasn't expecting Halfrek to have a different kind of modus operandi from Anyanka--in fact, I was wondering if her presence would have something to do with Buffy and Spike.

That Halfrek prefers the term "justice demon," only to have Anya point out that she's got a certain predilection for "bad parents," raises the issue of justice vs. vengeance, and people's different perceptions of the two concepts.

Well, at least it did for me. I'm rather fascinated by the idea that there's a whole genre of demons with a flair for punishment, and a whole assortment of "target offenders" between them. 's kinda neat.

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"And if there is a way to find you, I will find you . . . but threads that are golden don't break easily . . ." -- Tori Amos

"Love is lightning, love is ice; it only strikes the lucky twice--once so you will know the price, and once for crazy faith . . ." -- Alison Krauss and Union Station

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:46 am

Sound clips are up, and I'm exhausted from a day of writers block and spoiler burnout. I do, however, have a few comments:

quote:
Originally posted by AutumnT:
Dawn's "Get out. Get out. Get out" sounded exactly like the way she screeched it out in "Blood Ties".

I noticed that, too. My reaction was, "Gee, is Dawn going to screech that on every birthday Buffy has?"

quote:
Originally posted by kpmuse:
The cornfield reference may have referred to The Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mumy, the kid who had powers over the adults. Remember?

Yes, that's exactly what it was a reference to. Also perhaps peripherally to the fact that Nick's film debut was in Children of the Corn III. I used the same gag in my 1997 mega-fanfic, The Night of 100 Stars (where Billy Mumy's character turns out to be the villain). Right at the start of Chapter 10, to be precise. I love it when the Buffy writers think like me!

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Originally posted by The Rose:
There was nothing Willow could do anyway because Anya said only the vengeance demon who cast the spell can break it.

I picked that up as well. A nice ironic touch, I thought, that Xander and Anya were willing to throw away all of Willow's hard work for nothing.

There's much more to come, I'm sure, between Hallie and "William." It would be a nice new thing for Spike to do, since his days as Buffy's beau are numbered.

More to say later. Too tired now. Fire bad. Tree pretty. Tara strong...

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Ari » Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:32 am

I had a couple of off the wall thoughts about this ep.

Of course I loved Tara and how protective she was of both Buffy and Willow. I've read a lot about her teasing Spike, but I never got the impression that any of it was particularly good natured. It was just her finding the nicest possible way to tell him to back off of Buffy, with varying degrees of subtlety.

And I find it fascinating how many people I've seen on other boards who thought Anya was right and Willow should have tried a spell. Interestingly, the vibe I got was that Tara might not have objected if Willow had wanted to try, given the circumstances. She wouldn't have liked it, but that's another matter. But there was no way she was going to sit back and watch them try to force Willow into doing something she didn't want to do. (And my favorite part of that was Willow's little half-smile in response.)

I think Willow gained some major trust points with Tara, who last week clearly didn't trust Will at all. That's a good first step for them.

One reaction I had that seems different from a lot of other folks was my read on Anya. I was left with the impression that Anya, for all of the child-like humanness she's been displaying for years now, is still carrying around a good bit of darkness inside her. She seemed awfully quick to lash out when she felt threatened. She's often been tactless, but going after Will like she did bordered on outright cruelty.

I mean, she's spent all this time reaquainting herself with humanity. But what kind of human was she in the first place? People don't get chosen for the vengeance demon gig because they are sweet and good natured. It's because they have a talent and desire for hurting people.

And, as a side note, it makes perfect sense when considering this, that Cecily might have been chosen as a ven--err I mean justice demon as well. Because the glimpse we got of her in FFL, she was rather adept at being cruel.

There was a lot I liked about this ep, though some of the Buffy/Dawn and Xander/Anya scenes toward the end were just a bit sloooow.

Oh, and someone should tell Dawn that screeching is not a good way of encouraging people to want to spend time with you.


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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby shellybean » Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:33 am

This was Tara's ep! She was so cute being all coy with Spike, being shy with Willow and being strong with Anya. Great all around!
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby xita » Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:35 am

Ok, i should be sleeping but i just finished watching it again and 2 things struck me again. I really love Halfrek, she fills a Harmony shaped whole. The season has really been missing a charismatic demon.

The other thing I noticed was how w/t didn't touch at all. I mean they were on screen together so often tonight and they didn't touch, not once. And it is so weird. Other episodes it wasn't so obvious cause they don't spend a lot of time together but tonight they did. It really is not normal.

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby Shaniezak » Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:36 am

Catch Anya's "*cough*daddyissues*cough*" aimed at Halfrek near the end there? Makes me wonder if all "justice" demons are formerly human, and if they were all chosen because they suffered some kind of personal injury which they repaid, thereby catching D'Hoffryn's attention. And does that mean that their respective portfolios are defined by the kind of suffering they endured in mortal life?

I really, really loved Halfrek all through this episode. What a fun and refreshing character--her last "dammit" at the end before disappearing had me in stitches. I'm really not sure why.

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"And if there is a way to find you, I will find you . . . but threads that are golden don't break easily . . ." -- Tori Amos

"Love is lightning, love is ice; it only strikes the lucky twice--once so you will know the price, and once for crazy faith . . ." -- Alison Krauss and Union Station

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby shellybean » Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:03 am

Yeah, Halfrek was pretty funny. I was glad she didn't die. I liked when she kept trying to leave but was held back by her own curse.
And I think its understandable that Willow and Tara didn't touch because they're still in that awkward phase where they don't really know what to do around each other. But it was still a great Willow/Tara ep.
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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby SeanGaffney » Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:21 am

Random thoughts on tonight's ep (well, last night's by now):

Lovelovelove Emma Caulfield. They gave Anya a whole gamut of human emotions to run through, and she's finally getting to the point where she doesn't seem to be another Cordelia. Loved her hurt reaction to Dawn's stealing. And I suspect I am the only person in the world who think this, but I'm of the opinion that going for the amulet had nothing to do with getting her powers back. I think Anya just wanted OUT. I wonder if claustrophobia might come up again for her, as a lasting effect of this ep?

Dawn was also excellent this ep. I empathize with the people wishing she'd just grow up, but like all the characters on Buffy, it's not just going to magically happen, especially considering the ultra-sheltered life Dawn leads. I think Dawn acting younger than her age is a clear Joss choice, not just a miscasting of Michelle.

More Clem! Hope he comes to the wedding. Also liked Halfrek too, and am sure she'll be causing more mischief in the future. I think Anya is starting to realize that her ex-demon friendships might not be as strong now that she's human.

And that leads us to our girls. I was amused that Willow seemed to have that 'deer-caught-in-headlights' look for almost the entire episode, be it because of Tara interaction or spell mixings revelations. And Amber was just eight kinds of great here. Comforting Buffy, teasing Spike, standing up for Willow... every episode, it becomes more apparent that Tara's the one exception on this show - she grew up, and grew up FAST. :-D

Overall, highly enjoyable episode, especially for Emma and Amber fans (such as myself).

--SG

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Discussion – S6E14 – "Older and Far Away"

Postby EvilAnya » Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:24 am

I felt that Tara's teasing of Spike was generally good natured. If Buffy admitted everything to Tara, including the things Spike said to her (Buffy) about how her friends would turn away from her if they knew about their tryst, then i think it could have been Tara's way of saying to Spike "Hey, I know you and Buffy are boffing and i still care about her and I'm still looking out for her best interest".

That said, I couldn't stop laughing when Spike said "What?... it's a thing!" after Tara commented on his muscle cramp being in his pants.

I liked this episode, mostly because of the Tara/Willow interaction. It was a huge glimmer of hope.

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