Well Wiccagrrl, this may sound awful or even sacrilege to some but I actually hope that next year is the last year for Buffy, I have seen what going on for too long does to a show, just look at Xena and the X-Files, both at one time were great shows but because they kept going instead of ending on a high note, they are pathetic now (Xena had been terrible for a long time before Tapert gave the one finger salute to all the fans) so I do hope that Buffy ends next year, Joss does seem to be looking for more projects and a Buffy without much Joss isn’t a Buffy I want to watch, so let the show end while it’s still a masterpiece and it will always be fondly remembered, unlike some other shows.[This message has been edited by Warduke (edited December 19, 2001).]
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I'm with you on that one, Warduke, I just think it's such a shame what's happened to the X-Files from having gone on a good two seasons too long. I mean, it's interesting in theory for a show to be able to continue with a new set of lead characters, but I think that would work better with something like Law and Order, where it's more about the plots, or NYPD Blue, where Dennis Franz's character has been a constant with changing partners (not that I really watch either show). But Buffy has always been so based on characters and their shared history that much more turnover I think would start to erode the things that many of us came to it for in the first place. That was certainly the case for me with the X-Files, where the M/S chemistry and the conspiracy were the hooks; without either, what's the point? I never really went for the whole Monster of the Week thing, and I can't imagine being interested in BtVS if it went in that direction. At the same time, I understand that there must be a lot of temptation to continue, both for the money, and for the ego-challenge to see if you can do it creatively. I think Chris Carter definitely fell into that trap, and I hope Joss/Marti can avoid it. Ending after S7, when SMG's contract expires, gives them plenty of time to wrap up ongoing storylines without being abrupt, throw in another Big Bad or two, and ride off into the sunset with their heads held high. I just hope that Joss's emerging other projects allow him to be satisfied with letting BtVS end at the right time.... IP: Logged |
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I'm with you on that one, Warduke, I just think it's such a shame what's happened to the X-Files from having gone on a good two seasons too long.
Tell me about it. As someone who was hugely involved in the XF fan community it has been especially painful to see the embarassment that passes for a show these days. However, the good news is Chris Carter NEVER had a plan. He made it up as he went along. Things didn't make sense, he didn't care. He became too enamoured with his own image and fancied himself and his scary stories to be the reason people were tuning in instead of Mulder and Scully. Joss, on the other hand, while potentially spread too thin, is like Carter's polar opposite. He's not a one trick pony like Carter has proven himself to be so he has no reason to cling to a show when it is time for it to bow out. IP: Logged |
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As long as we get a w/t mini series, and a Buffy film every 18 months, I'll be happy.IP: Logged |
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Yeah, I wasn't happy when I read this either. It's awfully selfish of me but I can't help it. It sounds interesting and you know I am sure I'll give it a look but I just hope he is not as involved in it as even Angel. One man should not be this creative darn it. I just wish I could trust marti with Buffy and I can't.IP: Logged |
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Registered: Nov 2001 | posted December 19, 2001 13:04
Autumn, I think you're dead on about both Carter and Joss and the relative trickiness of their ponies. In terms of incentives to end BtVS at its peak, I find it encouraging that Joss is branching out in so many different directions, AND that he has a pretty successful screenwriting past to fall back on if some of the new projects don't pan out. He seems to be on a creative upswing, whereas CC doesn't have much prior to draw on (that I'm aware of), and doesn't seem able to branch out into different genres, as Joss is doing with the sci-fi/western and the Iron Man thing. BTW, great limericks in the other thread! IP: Logged |
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Registered: Oct 2001 | posted December 19, 2001 13:38
I guess I've been operating under the assumption that next season will be the last. I kind of viewed Buffy's death as an end unto itself. We could have been left with that horrible ending. But now we have S6, a postlude, of sorts, and I'm expecting S7 to serve as the denouement for all the characters. Resolving in a place where no one is asking "Where do I go from here?" but, instead, "How do I get there?" If they choose to go on, and it's still quality work, very cool. But if Joss is tired of it and mostly working on other projects at that point, and it's a huge problem to sign all the actors again, forget it. All we need is one of those prolonged "will she or won't she?" contract fiascos, ala David Duchovny, involving SMG, in which you end up with an actor who doesn't want to be there, or you have the rest of the cast but not the lead actor, or whatever. Bleh. At any rate, I still think that whatever happens with Buffy, Joss and Fox are whispering in Alyson's ear and she's listening. I don't think they want their relationship with her to end with Buffy. I think they already know SMG wants to move on (and good for her) and they've set their sights on Aly. Just my silly 'ole opinion, though.
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I agree that Buffy should end soon. Many people have been wondering how they could outdo Season 5, taking on a God and all.The themes of Season 6 are certainly a departure, looking internally at not-so-substantial demons. With Tony's departure, and the way things seem to be going for the Slayer herself, I can't see the momentum lasting longer. 7 years is a good run, and I would be well satisfied with that. IP: Logged |
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This sounds like a big yawnfest to me, but I'm not really a sci fi person.But regarding the end of BtVS, I've been assuming that S7 would be the last, because that's when everyone's contracts end. It seems to me that actors always want to be doing something other than what they're doing, especially TV actors, who always want to be doing movies. That's a gross generalization, and may not even be true about any or all of the actors on Buffy, but it's been my sort of hazy underlying assumption on the rare occasions when I've thought about the show ending. But I hope it goes longer, provided of course that the quality can be maintained. That's really the big question. I'm not adding anything to this discussion, am I? Okay, leaving now. IP: Logged |
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Registered: Nov 2001 | posted December 19, 2001 19:09
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Ultimately, Whedon said, the new show will have the same moral center as ``Buffy'' and its ``Angel'' spin-off: ``Life is hard. People are good when they want to be. And the universe is a big, scary place just like high school.''
Hmmm...not a very sunny outlook, no wonder Joss is putting us through the wringer this season. "People are good when they want to be." What an interesting turn of phrase, I can't really figure out what I think of that...wonder how it relates to the Dark Willow arc and the possibility, I mean, eventuality of redemption.... I need a new ep soon, I'm looking for gold flecks in a pile of sand over here! IP: Logged |
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Registered: May 2001 | posted December 19, 2001 20:09
If I remember correctly Joss did not want BtVS to be about only Buffy or the Vamp/demons.
It was to be an ensemble production which each played their part and each part contributed to the whole.
So far he has done well with that plus dropping some major characters and inserting new ones flawlessly.
How long can taht last tho? Did not the man himself say he was prepared to hate BtVS by now?
Time to let this show go and move on to new and hopefully exciting things.
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Whedon said he's been ``kicking around the idea for a couple of years,'' and that the concept fully came together for him after reading an account of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Reconstruction era. He came up with a concept that's part Western, part space drama.
``I wanted to make something that's about a guy who fought for the South, lost and doesn't like anybody anymore,'' Whedon said. ``This show isn't about the people who made history; it's about the people history stepped on.
I need a history lesson here. What does it mean that it's about a guy who fought for the "South" and lost? What does he mean by "South" here? I am feeling a little nervous about the historical implications of this and DON'T want to jump to conclusions without having concrete facts. And I agree with those who would like to see BUFFY end next season.
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Registered: Oct 2001 | posted December 19, 2001 23:28
I'm assuming, Judy, that Joss is referring to the U.S. Civil War and its outcome: The South lost to the North. Interesting that Joss wants to take it up from the defeated party's perspective. Also interesting that he named the most bitter incident in U.S. history as a possible psychological inspiration for the series. Sounds like a laugh fest!Amy IP: Logged |
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Amy, I'm assuming that too. LOL, I did know that basic fact about the Civil War. But since there's the not so small or irrelevant issue of black people as property (i.e. slaves) at the heart of the CW, and the "South" ostensibly representing those who were trying to defend their "property", I am curious and a little nervous about what Joss will do with this. I don't think it's fair to make sweeping generalizations about "North" and "South" because our history re: slavery is much more complicated and treacherous than what we learned in school. That's why i put a shout out for those who may have more detailed and deep knowledge of CW history than me. IP: Logged |
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LOL! Judy, I read your post like 10 times before I replied trying to figure out where you were coming from. I wasn't trying to condescend! Honest! I just thought I'd "start from the very beginning, it's a very good place to start." I used to tutor history and I just always start with the most obvious answer. Sorry! (hangs head) IP: Logged |
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I'm with you on that one, Warduke, I just think it's such a shame what's happened to the X-Files from having gone on a good two seasons too long. I mean, it's interesting in theory for a show to be able to continue with a new set of lead characters, but I think that would work better with something like Law and Order, where it's more about the plots, or NYPD Blue, where Dennis Franz's character has been a constant with changing partners (not that I really watch either show). But Buffy has always been so based on characters and their shared history that much more turnover I think would start to erode the things that many of us came to it for in the first place. That was certainly the case for me with the X-Files, where the M/S chemistry and the conspiracy were the hooks; without either, what's the point? I never really went for the whole Monster of the Week thing, and I can't imagine being interested in BtVS if it went in that direction. At the same time, I understand that there must be a lot of temptation to continue, both for the money, and for the ego-challenge to see if you can do it creatively. I think Chris Carter definitely fell into that trap, and I hope Joss/Marti can avoid it. Ending after S7, when SMG's contract expires, gives them plenty of time to wrap up ongoing storylines without being abrupt, throw in another Big Bad or two, and ride off into the sunset with their heads held high. I just hope that Joss's emerging other projects allow him to be satisfied with letting BtVS end at the right time....
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posted December 19, 2001 12:30 I'm with you on that one, Warduke, I just think it's such a shame what's happened to the X-Files from having gone on a good two seasons too long. I mean, it's interesting in theory for a show to be able to continue with a new set of lead characters, but I think that would work better with something like Law and Order, where it's more about the plots, or NYPD Blue, where Dennis Franz's character has been a constant with changing partners (not that I really watch either show). But Buffy has always been so based on characters and their shared history that much more turnover I think would start to erode the things that many of us came to it for in the first place. That was certainly the case for me with the X-Files, where the M/S chemistry and the conspiracy were the hooks; without either, what's the point? I never really went for the whole Monster of the Week thing, and I can't imagine being interested in BtVS if it went in that direction. At the same time, I understand that there must be a lot of temptation to continue, both for the money, and for the ego-challenge to see if you can do it creatively. I think Chris Carter definitely fell into that trap, and I hope Joss/Marti can avoid it. Ending after S7, when SMG's contract expires, gives them plenty of time to wrap up ongoing storylines without being abrupt, throw in another Big Bad or two, and ride off into the sunset with their heads held high. I just hope that Joss's emerging other projects allow him to be satisfied with letting BtVS end at the right time....
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Originally posted by cachaco:
I'm with you on that one, Warduke, I just think it's such a shame what's happened to the X-Files from having gone on a good two seasons too long.
Tell me about it. As someone who was hugely involved in the XF fan community it has been especially painful to see the embarassment that passes for a show these days.
However, the good news is Chris Carter NEVER had a plan. He made it up as he went along. Things didn't make sense, he didn't care. He became too enamoured with his own image and fancied himself and his scary stories to be the reason people were tuning in instead of Mulder and Scully.
Joss, on the other hand, while potentially spread too thin, is like Carter's polar opposite. He's not a one trick pony like Carter has proven himself to be so he has no reason to cling to a show when it is time for it to bow out.
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posted December 19, 2001 12:44 quote:
Originally posted by cachaco:
I'm with you on that one, Warduke, I just think it's such a shame what's happened to the X-Files from having gone on a good two seasons too long.
Tell me about it. As someone who was hugely involved in the XF fan community it has been especially painful to see the embarassment that passes for a show these days.
However, the good news is Chris Carter NEVER had a plan. He made it up as he went along. Things didn't make sense, he didn't care. He became too enamoured with his own image and fancied himself and his scary stories to be the reason people were tuning in instead of Mulder and Scully.
Joss, on the other hand, while potentially spread too thin, is like Carter's polar opposite. He's not a one trick pony like Carter has proven himself to be so he has no reason to cling to a show when it is time for it to bow out.
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posted December 19, 2001 12:53 As long as we get a w/t mini series, and a Buffy film every 18 months, I'll be happy.IP: LoggedxitaMs. Moderator
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Fantastico posted December 19, 2001 13:02
Yeah, I wasn't happy when I read this either. It's awfully selfish of me but I can't help it. It sounds interesting and you know I am sure I'll give it a look but I just hope he is not as involved in it as even Angel. One man should not be this creative darn it. I just wish I could trust marti with Buffy and I can't.IP: Logged
posted December 19, 2001 13:02 Yeah, I wasn't happy when I read this either. It's awfully selfish of me but I can't help it. It sounds interesting and you know I am sure I'll give it a look but I just hope he is not as involved in it as even Angel. One man should not be this creative darn it. I just wish I could trust marti with Buffy and I can't.IP: LoggedcachacoCool Monster Fighter
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Registered: Nov 2001 posted December 19, 2001 13:04
Autumn, I think you're dead on about both Carter and Joss and the relative trickiness of their ponies. In terms of incentives to end BtVS at its peak, I find it encouraging that Joss is branching out in so many different directions, AND that he has a pretty successful screenwriting past to fall back on if some of the new projects don't pan out. He seems to be on a creative upswing, whereas CC doesn't have much prior to draw on (that I'm aware of), and doesn't seem able to branch out into different genres, as Joss is doing with the sci-fi/western and the Iron Man thing. BTW, great limericks in the other thread!
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posted December 19, 2001 13:04 Autumn, I think you're dead on about both Carter and Joss and the relative trickiness of their ponies. In terms of incentives to end BtVS at its peak, I find it encouraging that Joss is branching out in so many different directions, AND that he has a pretty successful screenwriting past to fall back on if some of the new projects don't pan out. He seems to be on a creative upswing, whereas CC doesn't have much prior to draw on (that I'm aware of), and doesn't seem able to branch out into different genres, as Joss is doing with the sci-fi/western and the Iron Man thing. BTW, great limericks in the other thread!
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Registered: Oct 2001 posted December 19, 2001 13:38
I guess I've been operating under the assumption that next season will be the last. I kind of viewed Buffy's death as an end unto itself. We could have been left with that horrible ending. But now we have S6, a postlude, of sorts, and I'm expecting S7 to serve as the denouement for all the characters. Resolving in a place where no one is asking "Where do I go from here?" but, instead, "How do I get there?" If they choose to go on, and it's still quality work, very cool. But if Joss is tired of it and mostly working on other projects at that point, and it's a huge problem to sign all the actors again, forget it. All we need is one of those prolonged "will she or won't she?" contract fiascos, ala David Duchovny, involving SMG, in which you end up with an actor who doesn't want to be there, or you have the rest of the cast but not the lead actor, or whatever. Bleh.
At any rate, I still think that whatever happens with Buffy, Joss and Fox are whispering in Alyson's ear and she's listening. I don't think they want their relationship with her to end with Buffy. I think they already know SMG wants to move on (and good for her) and they've set their sights on Aly. Just my silly 'ole opinion, though.
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posted December 19, 2001 13:38 I guess I've been operating under the assumption that next season will be the last. I kind of viewed Buffy's death as an end unto itself. We could have been left with that horrible ending. But now we have S6, a postlude, of sorts, and I'm expecting S7 to serve as the denouement for all the characters. Resolving in a place where no one is asking "Where do I go from here?" but, instead, "How do I get there?" If they choose to go on, and it's still quality work, very cool. But if Joss is tired of it and mostly working on other projects at that point, and it's a huge problem to sign all the actors again, forget it. All we need is one of those prolonged "will she or won't she?" contract fiascos, ala David Duchovny, involving SMG, in which you end up with an actor who doesn't want to be there, or you have the rest of the cast but not the lead actor, or whatever. Bleh.
At any rate, I still think that whatever happens with Buffy, Joss and Fox are whispering in Alyson's ear and she's listening. I don't think they want their relationship with her to end with Buffy. I think they already know SMG wants to move on (and good for her) and they've set their sights on Aly. Just my silly 'ole opinion, though.
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I agree that Buffy should end soon. Many people have been wondering how they could outdo Season 5, taking on a God and all.The themes of Season 6 are certainly a departure, looking internally at not-so-substantial demons.
With Tony's departure, and the way things seem to be going for the Slayer herself, I can't see the momentum lasting longer. 7 years is a good run, and I would be well satisfied with that.
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posted December 19, 2001 16:44 I agree that Buffy should end soon. Many people have been wondering how they could outdo Season 5, taking on a God and all.The themes of Season 6 are certainly a departure, looking internally at not-so-substantial demons.
With Tony's departure, and the way things seem to be going for the Slayer herself, I can't see the momentum lasting longer. 7 years is a good run, and I would be well satisfied with that.
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Registered: Nov 2001 posted December 19, 2001 16:59
Seven seasons for Buffy is okay but, 8 would be even better
Give Willow and Tara their own serie that would be good for the ratings and for us!!!I also hope that Buffy will not suffer.
Nicole
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posted December 19, 2001 16:59 Seven seasons for Buffy is okay but, 8 would be even better
Give Willow and Tara their own serie that would be good for the ratings and for us!!!I also hope that Buffy will not suffer.
Nicole
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Registered: Mar 2001 posted December 19, 2001 18:38
This sounds like a big yawnfest to me, but I'm not really a sci fi person.But regarding the end of BtVS, I've been assuming that S7 would be the last, because that's when everyone's contracts end. It seems to me that actors always want to be doing something other than what they're doing, especially TV actors, who always want to be doing movies. That's a gross generalization, and may not even be true about any or all of the actors on Buffy, but it's been my sort of hazy underlying assumption on the rare occasions when I've thought about the show ending.
But I hope it goes longer, provided of course that the quality can be maintained. That's really the big question. I'm not adding anything to this discussion, am I? Okay, leaving now.
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posted December 19, 2001 18:38 This sounds like a big yawnfest to me, but I'm not really a sci fi person.But regarding the end of BtVS, I've been assuming that S7 would be the last, because that's when everyone's contracts end. It seems to me that actors always want to be doing something other than what they're doing, especially TV actors, who always want to be doing movies. That's a gross generalization, and may not even be true about any or all of the actors on Buffy, but it's been my sort of hazy underlying assumption on the rare occasions when I've thought about the show ending.
But I hope it goes longer, provided of course that the quality can be maintained. That's really the big question. I'm not adding anything to this discussion, am I? Okay, leaving now.
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Registered: Nov 2001 posted December 19, 2001 19:09
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Originally posted by tyche:
Ultimately, Whedon said, the new show will have the same moral center as ``Buffy'' and its ``Angel'' spin-off: ``Life is hard. People are good when they want to be. And the universe is a big, scary place just like high school.''
Hmmm...not a very sunny outlook, no wonder Joss is putting us through the wringer this season. "People are good when they want to be." What an interesting turn of phrase, I can't really figure out what I think of that...wonder how it relates to the Dark Willow arc and the possibility, I mean, eventuality of redemption....
I need a new ep soon, I'm looking for gold flecks in a pile of sand over here!
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posted December 19, 2001 19:09 quote:
Originally posted by tyche:
Ultimately, Whedon said, the new show will have the same moral center as ``Buffy'' and its ``Angel'' spin-off: ``Life is hard. People are good when they want to be. And the universe is a big, scary place just like high school.''
Hmmm...not a very sunny outlook, no wonder Joss is putting us through the wringer this season. "People are good when they want to be." What an interesting turn of phrase, I can't really figure out what I think of that...wonder how it relates to the Dark Willow arc and the possibility, I mean, eventuality of redemption....
I need a new ep soon, I'm looking for gold flecks in a pile of sand over here!
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If I remember correctly Joss did not want BtVS to be about only Buffy or the Vamp/demons.
It was to be an ensemble production which each played their part and each part contributed to the whole.
So far he has done well with that plus dropping some major characters and inserting new ones flawlessly.
How long can taht last tho? Did not the man himself say he was prepared to hate BtVS by now?
Time to let this show go and move on to new and hopefully exciting things.
BTW does the main guy in Firefly sound like Hans Solo (or whatever the name was?)[This message has been edited by gypsyfoot (edited December 19, 2001).]
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posted December 19, 2001 20:09 If I remember correctly Joss did not want BtVS to be about only Buffy or the Vamp/demons.
It was to be an ensemble production which each played their part and each part contributed to the whole.
So far he has done well with that plus dropping some major characters and inserting new ones flawlessly.
How long can taht last tho? Did not the man himself say he was prepared to hate BtVS by now?
Time to let this show go and move on to new and hopefully exciting things.
BTW does the main guy in Firefly sound like Hans Solo (or whatever the name was?)[This message has been edited by gypsyfoot (edited December 19, 2001).]
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Originally posted by tyche:
Whedon said he's been ``kicking around the idea for a couple of years,'' and that the concept fully came together for him after reading an account of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Reconstruction era. He came up with a concept that's part Western, part space drama.
``I wanted to make something that's about a guy who fought for the South, lost and doesn't like anybody anymore,'' Whedon said. ``This show isn't about the people who made history; it's about the people history stepped on.
I need a history lesson here. What does it mean that it's about a guy who fought for the "South" and lost? What does he mean by "South" here? I am feeling a little nervous about the historical implications of this and DON'T want to jump to conclusions without having concrete facts.
And I agree with those who would like to see BUFFY end next season.
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posted December 19, 2001 20:53 quote:
Originally posted by tyche:
Whedon said he's been ``kicking around the idea for a couple of years,'' and that the concept fully came together for him after reading an account of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Reconstruction era. He came up with a concept that's part Western, part space drama.
``I wanted to make something that's about a guy who fought for the South, lost and doesn't like anybody anymore,'' Whedon said. ``This show isn't about the people who made history; it's about the people history stepped on.
I need a history lesson here. What does it mean that it's about a guy who fought for the "South" and lost? What does he mean by "South" here? I am feeling a little nervous about the historical implications of this and DON'T want to jump to conclusions without having concrete facts.
And I agree with those who would like to see BUFFY end next season.
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Registered: Oct 2001 posted December 19, 2001 23:28
I'm assuming, Judy, that Joss is referring to the U.S. Civil War and its outcome: The South lost to the North. Interesting that Joss wants to take it up from the defeated party's perspective. Also interesting that he named the most bitter incident in U.S. history as a possible psychological inspiration for the series. Sounds like a laugh fest!Amy
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posted December 19, 2001 23:28 I'm assuming, Judy, that Joss is referring to the U.S. Civil War and its outcome: The South lost to the North. Interesting that Joss wants to take it up from the defeated party's perspective. Also interesting that he named the most bitter incident in U.S. history as a possible psychological inspiration for the series. Sounds like a laugh fest!Amy
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted December 20, 2001 00:28
Amy, I'm assuming that too. LOL, I did know that basic fact about the Civil War. But since there's the not so small or irrelevant issue of black people as property (i.e. slaves) at the heart of the CW, and the "South" ostensibly representing those who were trying to defend their "property", I am curious and a little nervous about what Joss will do with this. I don't think it's fair to make sweeping generalizations about "North" and "South" because our history re: slavery is much more complicated and treacherous than what we learned in school. That's why i put a shout out for those who may have more detailed and deep knowledge of CW history than me. IP: Logged
posted December 20, 2001 00:28 Amy, I'm assuming that too. LOL, I did know that basic fact about the Civil War. But since there's the not so small or irrelevant issue of black people as property (i.e. slaves) at the heart of the CW, and the "South" ostensibly representing those who were trying to defend their "property", I am curious and a little nervous about what Joss will do with this. I don't think it's fair to make sweeping generalizations about "North" and "South" because our history re: slavery is much more complicated and treacherous than what we learned in school. That's why i put a shout out for those who may have more detailed and deep knowledge of CW history than me. IP: LoggedWillowliciousCool Monster Fighter
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Registered: Oct 2001 posted December 20, 2001 00:47
LOL! Judy, I read your post like 10 times before I replied trying to figure out where you were coming from. I wasn't trying to condescend! Honest! I just thought I'd "start from the very beginning, it's a very good place to start." I used to tutor history and I just always start with the most obvious answer. Sorry! (hangs head) IP: Logged
posted December 20, 2001 00:47 LOL! Judy, I read your post like 10 times before I replied trying to figure out where you were coming from. I wasn't trying to condescend! Honest! I just thought I'd "start from the very beginning, it's a very good place to start." I used to tutor history and I just always start with the most obvious answer. Sorry! (hangs head) 
