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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby VampWillow » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:30 pm

Hey,

First I'd like to say that I'm new here, but I have been visiting this message board for awhile. I thought the ep of "Once and Again" was great and that the relationship was handled wonderfully, so was the one with the teacher and Grace, I think thats her name. When Jessi was saying that she just wanted to be friends I was afraid the whole build up was for nothing and it might have just been for ratings. When they kissed I thought it was a wonderful way to end and start the chapter of the story. btw, I just wanted to mention how nice and open people are on this forum, it's refreshing. It's also great to finally meet other people who like Tara and Willow and like them together. I'm going back to lurking now.

Gillyana

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby shellybean » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:36 pm

oh my god! I just typed out this whole LONG message but forgot to type in my password so it got erased! AAHHH!!! I'm too tired to re-write it now.
I just thought that Evan Rachel Wood and Mischa Barton were so great. And its so hard to believe that that girl is only 14!!! She has the maturity of a 25 year old! She seems like such a sweet young girl. And I also love scenes with her and Grace. They work well off each other. I liked that scene in the bathroom and at the end of the show when they didn't apologize to each other, they just said that they felt better(and who wouldn't after kissing Mischa!).
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Sarah-B » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:41 pm

quote:
Originally posted by xita:
That picture is from the ep. It was on the tvguide. I scanned that article and put it up on page five of this thread

Xita you deserve biggest thanks then (I got my pic elsewhere, but in case it was originally from your scan, hope it's ok to borrow it )

Sarah-B.quote:

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Daffy » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:55 pm

Re the epi w/ Tad. Jessie was at a party w/ him & he put the moves on her. She was resisting when Katie rescued her & took her off to get more pop or something. When Jessie discussed it w/ Karen later, she was upset about not wanting to kiss Tad & wondered if she would ever be able to respond like she should. Karen reassured her, but I wanted her to ask, respond to a boy or to anyone?

Btw, in 2wks we get Lily's disturbed brother Aron & his disturbed gf Ally Sheedy. They'll be staying w/ Liliy, so maybe we can see something of Jessie too.

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I'm Cletus the slack-jawed yokel--Willow

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby ennui » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:18 pm

Longtime lurker sending my first post to say that I've been an O&A fan since the first episode of the first season. O&A is one of the few shows comparable to Buffy in the way its adolescent characters are so fully realized and sensitively portrayed.

So I am not surprised at how well "The Gay/Straight Alliance" turned out. The Jessie/Katie relationship as it was built up through the season was done so well and convincingly, and has been as filled with moving moments (and palpable sexual tension) as those of season 4 W/T, IMO.

In fact, I think Marti would be doing us a favor by getting pointers from the creators of O&A on the value of subtlety, taking a cue from Eli's (Jessie's brother) descent into an antagonistic, pot-smoking slacker - then she could have found a more graceful way to handle the anvil-filled drug addiction story arc of Willow.

I encourage people to watch past episodes of O&A, if only for the pleasure of seeing the incredibly talented cast, especially Evan Rachel Wood (Jessie) and Julia Whelan (Grace).

Lastly, regarding the "Billie" joke mentioned in the recap of this episode - it's a reference to S3.12 "Gardenia" (the one in which Karen, Jessie's mom, is hit by a car). Katie introduced Jessie to the wonderful music of Billie Holiday.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Xanadu » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:04 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Cipher:
Hmmm, or shouldn't worry about at all.

Oh, I didn't even realize how that sounded, sorry! I didn't mean that they should worry about her being gay, just that they were.

Thanks for the pic, Xita, thanks
Thanks for everybody that answered where the Billie nickname was from.

Amy
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby ariel » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:28 pm

hi..

I posted a couple of clips here:

http://test.fanbusiness.com/articles/11

it's not _perfect_ quality, but it's something

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Sarah-B » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:39 pm

quote:
Originally posted by ariel:
hi..
I posted a couple of clips here:

Ariel, you rock
Thanks so much.
Sarah-B.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby ennui » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:01 pm

Ariel - thank you!
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Dream » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:20 pm

THANK YOU Ariel!!

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Kitty Mitty » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:51 pm

hey everyone. Could someone please post caps of the kiss?

my computer is dumb and for some unexplained reason can not download the actual clip.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby miss_spangles » Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:05 am

Yep, my computer is having a bit of a breakdown as well, keeps going on about a stupid decompresser??? But anyway, thanks for posting Ariel - hopefully I will see this great episode eventually
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby shellybean » Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:52 am

Hey Sarah-B! I didn't know you posted here! I guess there are just so many messages its hard to keep track. Yes, I totally ranted and raved on several different message boards and mailing groups about Once and Again because it was just SO great! And if I didn't mention it over and over again on the Lost and Delirious group, I totally LOVE your site! I even have it bookmarked. Wasn't Mischa great in O & A? I was so impressed! Her character is just so different from Mary B and she's so convincing in both roles! I hope that Once and Again doesn't get cancelled and that she gets to stick around. or if anything at least stick around till the end of the season. I really hope that it works out for Jessie and Katie because they're so cute together.

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"Hi Tara, How are you? I was wondering if maybe you want to go out sometime? For coffee, food, kissing and gay love?"
Willow practicing asking Tara out
"Normal Again"

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby *Willow* » Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:01 am

Thanx Ariel!!!

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"Oh baby, want me to rub your tummy? She likes it when I ... stop explaining things"

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Sarah-B » Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:36 am

quote:
Originally posted by miss_spangles:
Yep, my computer is having a bit of a breakdown as well, keeps going on about a stupid decompresser??? But anyway, thanks for posting Ariel - hopefully I will see this great episode eventually

Well, using Ariel's clip, I've made some caps for the ppl having trouble with the clip.

(This capping took like an hour! coz of my own video decompressor probs, and also b/c I took some time to try and filter the clip itself to reduce a little of the over-contrast Ariel mentioned.)

All in all the caps are ok-ish. Not great, but it's something.
Hope these help

Jessie & Katie...

Pic 1
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Pic 6
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Pic 8
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Pic 11
Pic 12
Pic 13
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Pic 15

PS. Thanks so much Shellybean! Yeah, Mischa's performance in this kinda blew me away too. They both seem so mature, and the whole thing is depicted in such a real, and sweet way.

Sarah-B.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Kitty Mitty » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:27 am

thanks sarah b and ariel
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby La » Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:20 am

Oh my! Thanks so much for the caps Sarah-B. Those two are so cute! *sigh* I hope this show doesn't go off the air.

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~La

"No good sittin' worryin' abou' it. What's comin' will
come, an' we'll meet it when it does."
~Hagrid, from "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire".

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby miss_spangles » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:27 pm

Thanks so much Sarah-b - you're an absolute legend! It's just a shame that we probably won't get this episode here for about a year (if we're lucky). Nevermind, it's great to see the caps, so thanks again
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby SweetMamaJane » Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:57 pm

I pass this on as a FYI:

GLAADAlert Today
March 13, 2002


LYNCHBURG ABC AFFILIATE REFUSES TO AIR 'ONCE AND AGAIN'

On March 11, ABC affiliate WSET-TV 13 in Lynchburg, Va., chose to preempt an exceptional episode of the acclaimed family drama "Once and Again," apparently because of a storyline involving gay and lesbian themes. The station aired infomercials in place of the one-hour network drama -- which airs at 10 p.m. -- and has no plans to air the March 11 episode in the future.

The episode, entitled "The Gay/Straight Alliance," featured two interconnecting storylines with gay themes. Grace (Julia Whelan), the 16-year-old daughter of Lily (Sela Ward), joins the school's new Gay/Straight Alliance because she has a crush on Mr. Dimitri, the group's faculty advisor. Meanwhile, Jessie (Evan Rachel Wood), the 14-year-old daughter of Rick (Billy Campbell), is confused when her
best friend Katie (Mischa Barton) sends her a love letter. Unsure of her own feelings, Jessie initially avoids Katie, but in a moment of clarity, Jessie realizes that she's in love with Katie too. The girls kiss, finally admitting that their relationship is deeper than friendship.

In spite of repeated requests for comment, WSET has refused to explain its decision to preempt "Once and Again."
"Once and Again" is one of TV's most respected dramas, in part because of the honesty with which its creators and cast portray the complexities of family relationships. For WSET to decide that the show's sensitive, realistic portrayal of coming out is somehow inappropriate for its viewing audience sends a clear message that the experiences of lesbian and gay youth are unimportant.

While ABC is to be commended for airing this exceptional episode, we believe the power of the episode was diminished by an unnecessary and inappropriate warning to parents: "Due to Adult Subject Matter, Parental Discretion Is Advised." There is nothing in this episode that could be construed as sexually explicit or inappropriate for family audiences. If this episode had featured Jessie sharing a first kiss with a boy, no parental advisory would have been posted. This inappropriate double standard inaccurately suggests that gay and lesbian content is by definition "adult subject matter."


TAKE ACTION NOW:

1) Please contact the programming director at WSET and call on him to explain why he chose to censor this episode. Please ask him to air "The Gay/Straight Alliance" during prime-time within the next thirty days.

CONTACT:
Randy Smith
General Manager
WSET-TV 13
2320 Langhorne Rd.
Lynchburg, VA 24501
Phone: 804-528-1313
Fax: 804-847-8800
E-mail: rsmith@wset.com


2) Please contact the producers of "Once and Again" and thank them for their sensitive and thoughtful exploration of Jessie and Katie's relationship.

CONTACT:
Edward Zwick
Marshall Herskovitz
Once and Again
8660 Hayden Place
Culver City, CA 90232
E-mail: OnceProducer@aol.com


3) Please thank ABC for airing this episode of "Once and Again." Let them know how just powerful this episode was. Also ask them to remove the parental discretion advisory from future airings of "The Gay/Straight Alliance." The advisory is a double standard and this episode is the kind of quality television that everyone should see.

CONTACT:
Lloyd Braun
Chairman, ABC Entertainment TV Group
500 S. Buena Vista Street
Burbank, CA 91521
Phone: 818-460-7777
E-mail: netaudr@ABC.com

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What is sacred, of what is the spirit made, what is worth living for,
and what is worth dying for. The answer to all of them is the same.

Only love.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Xanadu » Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:46 pm

Thanks for the info SweetMamaJane, I'm gonna email that stupid homophobic guy right now! . Or maybe later after I calm down so I can manage to say "your a homophobic #!*&@ in a nice way...

AMy

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Ryath » Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:12 pm


Thanks so much for the clips n' screen caps!

Sarah, your site looks GREAT, just thought you should know

And who used to post on the Lost and Delirious site? I used to as well, awhile back when the movie first came out. But..well..I stopped. Hehheh.

Oh..another question...one of the not-happy-about-lesbians people posting on the ABC site
said that there was really a boy wearing a wig standing in for Mischa when they kissed. Any trusth to this?

Ryath
 


Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby ScoobySnack » Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:19 pm

Hey kittens! Just wanted to let everyone know that I started a Jessie/Katie group on Yahoo! tonight. If anyone wants to join, it's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jessiekatie

Hopefully some fanfic will be submitted, and we can have some good (homophobe-free) discussions

Edited to add a comment about the boy standing in for Mischa thing: Not true. Someone asked Evan Rachel Wood what it was like to kiss a girl, and she said something along the line of: "Just like kissing a boy, only we were both wearing lipgloss." I would imagine she would've said something about that...plus you can see the side of Katie's face and it really doesn't look like a guy.
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Tara: I am, you know.
Willow: What?
Tara: Yours.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby eekiboo » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:11 pm

see Katie and Jessie kiss! check out the animated gif HERE. it'll probably take a minute and a half to d/l. enjoy! pax

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Willow and Tara
Willow and Tara's Room

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby ScoobySnack » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:17 pm

::feels retarded for lurking around this thread::

Great GIF, thanks so much eekiboo! The kiss scene looks a lot different when you combine the first and second time, taking out the little whispering scene...

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Tara: I am, you know.
Willow: What?
Tara: Yours.

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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby shellybean » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:20 pm

Thanks sweetmamajane for that article. I can't believe that a stupid homophobic station would actually not air the episode! I'm going to do what the article suggest and e-mail those people. I agree with what the article says that there is a horrible double standard on things like that kiss. There would have been no parental advisory if Jessie were kissing Tad. At least ABC and Once and Again created and aired that great ep. I'm so glad I got to see it.
shellybean
 


Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby Sarah-B » Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:57 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Ryath:
one of the not-happy-about-lesbians people posting on the ABC site
said that there was really a boy wearing a wig standing in for Mischa when they kissed. Any truth to this?

hey Ryath, thx so much!

Btw, you can see easily in the scene that it's Mischa That rumour is just another homophobe in denial.
hugs,
Sarah-B.
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby miss_spangles » Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:53 pm

Excellent Eekiboo - thanks very much for that It's great.
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Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby shellybean » Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:42 am

That is SO Mischa that Evan is kissing! I don't think the show is that ridiculous that it'd actually put a boy stand in for that kiss! And Evan even talked about kissing Mischa and said that it wasn't weird and the only difference between kissing her and a guy is that they were both wearing lip gloss. I remember this because I thought it was the cutest thing when she said it.

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"Hi Tara, How are you? I was wondering if maybe you want to go out sometime? For coffee? food? kissing and gay love?"
Willow practicing asking Tara out
"Normal Again"

shellybean
 


Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby ennui » Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:44 am

Anyone know where the episode can be downloaded? Any help much appreciated.
ennui
 


Possible lesbian storyline on "Once and Again"

Postby one-in-ten » Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:58 am

Just wanted to say I loved this episode too. I had been trying to watch this show ever since I heard about the lesbian storyline. I'm hoping they will continue on with this relationship! Favourite part: when Jessie rubbed noses (I think) with Katie. So cute! I was surprised to learn it was Mischa from Lost and Delerious too. She is growing up! Also Sarah-B your site is awesome! I had been wanting to find a site like that forever. I didn't think one existed! Thanks so much!

SQ

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