Willow as sexual aggressor (No Spoilers!)

[Sassette]

I'd like to chime in with a "Yeah, I'll buy that" on this topic, and add a few things.

I'd say Willow generally isn't "impulsive" sexually. Yes, she's done a few things that might be termed "impulsive", but that's generally after thinking them through thoroughly and working herself into a dither about all the possible outcomes. Willow is very much an intellectual being ... she's comfortable on an intellectual level in ways that she isn't physically and emotionally.

The upshot of this is, she analyzes things to death on the mental level, works her emotional level up to a frenzy, then sort of explodes - not because she's naturally impulsive, but because she naturally ISN'T and she gets fed up with herself.

Then she goes back into Mental Mode and works out a 'plan'. I seem to recall Barry White, candles, Oz... no parents home... that was a very calculated scene. It was "aggressive", as she was the one making the move, but it was by no means "impulsive".

NMR (assuming that was the big First Time... which some people do, some people don't - for the sake of this example, just stretch your imagination for a moment) is another fine example of aggression without impulsivity (is that a word? *G*). She spent the whole episode doing the "Oz? Tara? Oz? Tara?" thing. Because of all the thought she put into her relationships with those two, showing up at Tara's door with an Extra Flamey Candle really wasn't impulsive. Now, if she'd done that EARLIER...

Willow as an aggressor I'll totally buy. Willow as an impulsive aggressor? Not so much.

And to sum up what I've seen in this thread so far... Willow is a top with an oral fixation?

Lucky, LUCKY Tara.

-Sassette

[gypsyfoot]

I feel Willows' early fixating on Xander was on some level a safety device, she knew on some level that they would never be boyfriend/girlfriend, but she could say she liked boys.
X/W never kissed until Oz was in the picture.
Now did Buffy mess up Willow's life or not. It was in season 1 that Buffy pushed for Willow to open up to Xander, season 2 buffy pushed for Willow to go for Oz. Would Willow have had a galpal in high school if Buffy wasn't around?
In Doppelgängerland evil Willow says something about hanging around if nice Willow is a part of this existence. Before evil Willow is sent back both Willows hug and our Willow says something about the hands, the hands. Is Willow really upset about gayness or is that what her upbringing has taught her?
There have been comments on Buffy/Willow and Buffy/Faith subtexts. Was there ever a Faith/Willow subtext?
In trying to answer this question I have strayed far.
Basically, Tara said she knew what would happen if Oz came back. So I think she held out until Willow made her choice.
From the floating rose spell:
Willow: We'll start out slow
Tara: (eyes opening) Start out slow doing what?

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Willow: ...I think you're ready now, or at least in the state of pre-readiness to make conversation, or-or to do that thing with your mouth that boys like.
Buffy snaps her head around at Willow and gives her a shocked look.

[Wiccagrrl]

Humm...W/F subtext? Not that I ever saw. Willow seemed mostly jealous of Faith. (If anything I kinda thought that Willow's reactions during S3 may have suggested at a possible crush Willow had on Buffy, but let's not go there...)I also think Willow may have had a little bit of a crush on Jenny.

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[Lijdrec]

I think we all would agree that Willow is an intellectual, and sex is - what? - 50% in your own mind? And it would appear that Willow would have an addictive personality - re: her magical powers. She has been an aggressor in Scoobie matters whether it be on a computer or even in the field. Her initial shy appearance disappears after she becomes comfortable with those with which she is interacting. Thereafter, Willlow is a take-charge sort of gal.

Soooo.........it only took an Awakening on the part of Tara, slow, easy at first, but steady (and my guess at the time was definitely before NMR) that brought Willow out to her. Thereafter, Willow's own nature would surface in the relationship and she would become an aggressor, in any of xita's definitions.

[Rane]

ok, someone needs to start writing fics about all these senarios.

edited after Ruth's post:
I know that honey it's just i miss those early fics. There aren't any early fics anymore. that's what i meant.

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[tommo]

Rane, I think someone has, somewhere. We've been given all sorts of scenarios from Season 4 and 5 in different fics.

About the licking - I think in her Vamp Willow guise, our favourite redhead discovers her propensity for using the tongue. This, naturally, passes itself over to non-vamp Willow when her vamped out self licks her own neck. Now, Oz not being much for the licking, I think it only right and fitting that Willow seek out someone who could truly appreciate her talented tongue and its desire to lick and tease and tumble over folds of skin and...um...

Hence...Tara.

I kind of think that's all I should say right now.

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[Warduke]

Thanks for that post Ruth, takes me to a "nice" visual place

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*rolls over and grins*

Oh yeah. Me too.

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Well, I'm just lurking, but had to say, Sassette well put

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Thanks for the follow-up post, Ruth. It was worth the wait!

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Woahyeah okay, I came to the right thread, it seems. Very very good visual place now... *sigh*

For some reason I wasn't too convinced with Willow's body language when she was goin' down... it just didn't look... right. Maybe that's just Aly's reservations showing. Probly just me.

I think there's always a dominant partner, but it can be quite different in the sack.

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Registered: Oct 2001 posted November 12, 2001 10:17               

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After seeing OMWF and the "under your skirt" ... oops, I mean "spell" number, I certainly see Willow as the sexual aggressor. She was, after all, on top before going down to Tara's nether realms.
Ironically, this week I uncovered a poem by Audre Lorde and I thought it ties in nicely with Willow and Tara. I tend to hear Willow as the narrator of this one. Here it is:
"On a Night of the Full Moon" by Audre Lorde
I
Out of my flesh that hungers
and my mouth that knows
comes the shape I am seeking
for reason.
The curve of your waiting body
fits my waiting hand
your breasts warm as sunlight
your lips quick as young birds
between your things the sweet
sharp taste of limes.
Thus I hold you
frank in my heart's eye
in my skin's knowing
as my fingers conceive your flesh
I feel your stomach
moving against me.
Before the moon wanes again
we shall come together.
II
And I would be the moon
sopken over your beckoning flesh
breaking against reservation
breaching thought
my hands at your high tide
over and under inside you
and the passing of hungers
attended, forgotten.
Darkly risen
the moon speaks
my eyes
judging your roundness
delightful.

Sigh!!!!

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Registered: Jun 2001 posted November 12, 2001 10:42               

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I don't know that the UYS scene from OMWF was really one to go by, albeit the only real sex scene they have had... keep in mind that Tara was busy singing and she did 'ask' for it from Willow, so... she sorta made the first move in a way.

I do think Willow is the sexual aggressor, but not neessarily all the time.

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I agree, Wolfix. I think they share the aggressor side.

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Registered: Jan 2001 posted November 12, 2001 14:04               

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quote:

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Originally posted by xita:
aggressive:

3. Tending to spread quickly

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I was going to make a little comment here, but I'll just let this stand on its own...

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A very wicked grin is necessary here!!!

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"I'm sooo the Net girl." -- Willow
"I'm under your spell
Nothing I can do
You just took my soul with you ..."
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unregistered posted November 12, 2001 18:35              

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So sorry to intrude....this topic is just rather...compelling...

As one of the Super Shy Set, I believe that *intially* Tara would wait for Willow to make the first definite sexual move because--and this may be totally obvious (sorry!), but:

1-Letting Willow make the first definite sexual move lets Tara gain confidence in the extent of Willow's feelings for her (that Willow won't neccessarily reject her), AND lets her realize that she (Tara) can actually be liked enough by someone she really likes, that that person would *want* to make the first move with her (if that makes sense!--Tara also having the not-so-high self-confidence, after all).

And,
2-Tara is already comfortable with her feelings for Willow but is sensitive to the fact that this is new for Willow. Because Tara's sweet that way, she has to let Willow figure things out for herself. Tara's initiating a physical relationship before Willow knows for sure what she wants may confuse Willow (because of the intenseness of feelings brought on by..well, you know).

Anyway.

After gaining that initial confidence in Willow, their relationship and herself, though, there's no reason Tara couldn't be VERY assertive as to her desires.

Sorry to go on so long! Thanks.

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Rane--I miss early fic too

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Okay i have a question for you all? what is sexually aggressive.. My girlfriend and i were talking about this tonite.. she says i'm dominant... I don't see how i am at all so maybe i'm missing the true definitions *which wouldn't be a first cuz she is so much smarter that me* she also told me i'm smart but i'm like willow and i hide it until you really get to talk to me and then you hear the way i talk and stuff... I agree with that i guess but i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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quote:

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Originally posted by BabyWillowsGoddess:
i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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You seem to be worried that you are dominant in sexual situations. Unless this is a problem between you and your gf, if she's complaining about it or something, then I wouldn't have thought you need to worry about it.

There's nothing wrong with being sexually dominant. I think there's a little control freak in all of us that sometimes likes to be in charge in some of these situations. I suppose it's just a matter of whether it comes out or not.

We all have the potential to be submissive or dominant; finding the balance is the key to maintaining a healthy and vigorous active sex life.

I wouldn't have thought sexual dominance is a problem unless it's unusually dominant...or perhaps I really don't know what I'm talking about here. Whatever, you should celebrate your assertiveness; it's a very attractive trait in women. Or so I've heard, ahem.

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"I will." Willow's eyes shone. "I can't wait to see her." ~ Unseen: Long Way Home

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*rolls over and grins*

Oh yeah. Me too.

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posted November 12, 2001 00:43                *rolls over and grins*

Oh yeah. Me too.

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Well, I'm just lurking, but had to say, Sassette well put

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Thanks for the follow-up post, Ruth. It was worth the wait!

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Woahyeah okay, I came to the right thread, it seems. Very very good visual place now... *sigh*

For some reason I wasn't too convinced with Willow's body language when she was goin' down... it just didn't look... right. Maybe that's just Aly's reservations showing. Probly just me.

I think there's always a dominant partner, but it can be quite different in the sack.

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posted November 12, 2001 07:51                Woahyeah okay, I came to the right thread, it seems. Very very good visual place now... *sigh*

For some reason I wasn't too convinced with Willow's body language when she was goin' down... it just didn't look... right. Maybe that's just Aly's reservations showing. Probly just me.

I think there's always a dominant partner, but it can be quite different in the sack.

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Registered: Oct 2001 posted November 12, 2001 10:17               

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After seeing OMWF and the "under your skirt" ... oops, I mean "spell" number, I certainly see Willow as the sexual aggressor. She was, after all, on top before going down to Tara's nether realms.
Ironically, this week I uncovered a poem by Audre Lorde and I thought it ties in nicely with Willow and Tara. I tend to hear Willow as the narrator of this one. Here it is:
"On a Night of the Full Moon" by Audre Lorde
I
Out of my flesh that hungers
and my mouth that knows
comes the shape I am seeking
for reason.
The curve of your waiting body
fits my waiting hand
your breasts warm as sunlight
your lips quick as young birds
between your things the sweet
sharp taste of limes.
Thus I hold you
frank in my heart's eye
in my skin's knowing
as my fingers conceive your flesh
I feel your stomach
moving against me.
Before the moon wanes again
we shall come together.
II
And I would be the moon
sopken over your beckoning flesh
breaking against reservation
breaching thought
my hands at your high tide
over and under inside you
and the passing of hungers
attended, forgotten.
Darkly risen
the moon speaks
my eyes
judging your roundness
delightful.

Sigh!!!!

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posted November 12, 2001 10:17                After seeing OMWF and the "under your skirt" ... oops, I mean "spell" number, I certainly see Willow as the sexual aggressor. She was, after all, on top before going down to Tara's nether realms.
Ironically, this week I uncovered a poem by Audre Lorde and I thought it ties in nicely with Willow and Tara. I tend to hear Willow as the narrator of this one. Here it is:
"On a Night of the Full Moon" by Audre Lorde
I
Out of my flesh that hungers
and my mouth that knows
comes the shape I am seeking
for reason.
The curve of your waiting body
fits my waiting hand
your breasts warm as sunlight
your lips quick as young birds
between your things the sweet
sharp taste of limes.
Thus I hold you
frank in my heart's eye
in my skin's knowing
as my fingers conceive your flesh
I feel your stomach
moving against me.
Before the moon wanes again
we shall come together.
II
And I would be the moon
sopken over your beckoning flesh
breaking against reservation
breaching thought
my hands at your high tide
over and under inside you
and the passing of hungers
attended, forgotten.
Darkly risen
the moon speaks
my eyes
judging your roundness
delightful.

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Registered: Jun 2001 posted November 12, 2001 10:42               

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I don't know that the UYS scene from OMWF was really one to go by, albeit the only real sex scene they have had... keep in mind that Tara was busy singing and she did 'ask' for it from Willow, so... she sorta made the first move in a way.

I do think Willow is the sexual aggressor, but not neessarily all the time.

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posted November 12, 2001 10:42                I don't know that the UYS scene from OMWF was really one to go by, albeit the only real sex scene they have had... keep in mind that Tara was busy singing and she did 'ask' for it from Willow, so... she sorta made the first move in a way.

I do think Willow is the sexual aggressor, but not neessarily all the time.

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Registered: Oct 2001 posted November 12, 2001 10:55               

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I agree, Wolfix. I think they share the aggressor side.

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posted November 12, 2001 10:55                I agree, Wolfix. I think they share the aggressor side. IP: LoggedKalitaSassy Eggs


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quote:

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Originally posted by xita:
aggressive:

3. Tending to spread quickly

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I was going to make a little comment here, but I'll just let this stand on its own...

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posted November 12, 2001 14:04               

quote:

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Originally posted by xita:
aggressive:

3. Tending to spread quickly

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I was going to make a little comment here, but I'll just let this stand on its own... quote:IP: LoggedbuffelinaDoll's Eye Crystal


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Registered: Oct 2001 posted November 12, 2001 14:31               

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A very wicked grin is necessary here!!!

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"I'm sooo the Net girl." -- Willow
"I'm under your spell
Nothing I can do
You just took my soul with you ..."
-- Tara to Willow in "Under Your Spell"

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posted November 12, 2001 14:31                A very wicked grin is necessary here!!!

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"I'm sooo the Net girl." -- Willow
"I'm under your spell
Nothing I can do
You just took my soul with you ..."
-- Tara to Willow in "Under Your Spell"IP: Loggedyaquinaunregistered posted November 12, 2001 18:35              

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So sorry to intrude....this topic is just rather...compelling...

As one of the Super Shy Set, I believe that *intially* Tara would wait for Willow to make the first definite sexual move because--and this may be totally obvious (sorry!), but:

1-Letting Willow make the first definite sexual move lets Tara gain confidence in the extent of Willow's feelings for her (that Willow won't neccessarily reject her), AND lets her realize that she (Tara) can actually be liked enough by someone she really likes, that that person would *want* to make the first move with her (if that makes sense!--Tara also having the not-so-high self-confidence, after all).

And,
2-Tara is already comfortable with her feelings for Willow but is sensitive to the fact that this is new for Willow. Because Tara's sweet that way, she has to let Willow figure things out for herself. Tara's initiating a physical relationship before Willow knows for sure what she wants may confuse Willow (because of the intenseness of feelings brought on by..well, you know).

Anyway.

After gaining that initial confidence in Willow, their relationship and herself, though, there's no reason Tara couldn't be VERY assertive as to her desires.

Sorry to go on so long! Thanks.

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posted November 12, 2001 18:35               So sorry to intrude....this topic is just rather...compelling...

As one of the Super Shy Set, I believe that *intially* Tara would wait for Willow to make the first definite sexual move because--and this may be totally obvious (sorry!), but:

1-Letting Willow make the first definite sexual move lets Tara gain confidence in the extent of Willow's feelings for her (that Willow won't neccessarily reject her), AND lets her realize that she (Tara) can actually be liked enough by someone she really likes, that that person would *want* to make the first move with her (if that makes sense!--Tara also having the not-so-high self-confidence, after all).

And,
2-Tara is already comfortable with her feelings for Willow but is sensitive to the fact that this is new for Willow. Because Tara's sweet that way, she has to let Willow figure things out for herself. Tara's initiating a physical relationship before Willow knows for sure what she wants may confuse Willow (because of the intenseness of feelings brought on by..well, you know).

Anyway.

After gaining that initial confidence in Willow, their relationship and herself, though, there's no reason Tara couldn't be VERY assertive as to her desires.

Sorry to go on so long! Thanks.IP: LoggedTimDoll's Eye Crystal


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Rane--I miss early fic too

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Okay i have a question for you all? what is sexually aggressive.. My girlfriend and i were talking about this tonite.. she says i'm dominant... I don't see how i am at all so maybe i'm missing the true definitions *which wouldn't be a first cuz she is so much smarter that me* she also told me i'm smart but i'm like willow and i hide it until you really get to talk to me and then you hear the way i talk and stuff... I agree with that i guess but i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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posted November 14, 2001 01:02                Okay i have a question for you all? what is sexually aggressive.. My girlfriend and i were talking about this tonite.. she says i'm dominant... I don't see how i am at all so maybe i'm missing the true definitions *which wouldn't be a first cuz she is so much smarter that me* she also told me i'm smart but i'm like willow and i hide it until you really get to talk to me and then you hear the way i talk and stuff... I agree with that i guess but i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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Registered: Sep 2000 posted November 14, 2001 02:54               

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quote:

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Originally posted by BabyWillowsGoddess:
i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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You seem to be worried that you are dominant in sexual situations. Unless this is a problem between you and your gf, if she's complaining about it or something, then I wouldn't have thought you need to worry about it.

There's nothing wrong with being sexually dominant. I think there's a little control freak in all of us that sometimes likes to be in charge in some of these situations. I suppose it's just a matter of whether it comes out or not.

We all have the potential to be submissive or dominant; finding the balance is the key to maintaining a healthy and vigorous active sex life.

I wouldn't have thought sexual dominance is a problem unless it's unusually dominant...or perhaps I really don't know what I'm talking about here. Whatever, you should celebrate your assertiveness; it's a very attractive trait in women. Or so I've heard, ahem.

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"I will." Willow's eyes shone. "I can't wait to see her." ~ Unseen: Long Way Home

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posted November 14, 2001 02:54               

quote:

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Originally posted by BabyWillowsGoddess:
i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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You seem to be worried that you are dominant in sexual situations. Unless this is a problem between you and your gf, if she's complaining about it or something, then I wouldn't have thought you need to worry about it.

There's nothing wrong with being sexually dominant. I think there's a little control freak in all of us that sometimes likes to be in charge in some of these situations. I suppose it's just a matter of whether it comes out or not.

We all have the potential to be submissive or dominant; finding the balance is the key to maintaining a healthy and vigorous active sex life.

I wouldn't have thought sexual dominance is a problem unless it's unusually dominant...or perhaps I really don't know what I'm talking about here. Whatever, you should celebrate your assertiveness; it's a very attractive trait in women. Or so I've heard, ahem.

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"Give Tara besitos de Salma." She wrinkled her nose. "Little kisses."
"I will." Willow's eyes shone. "I can't wait to see her." ~ Unseen: Long Way Homequote:

[tommo]

*rolls over and grins*

Oh yeah. Me too.

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"I'm not large with the butch." ~ Willow

[SciFiAcid]

Well, I'm just lurking, but had to say, Sassette well put

[Scout]

Thanks for the follow-up post, Ruth. It was worth the wait!

[Wolfix]

Woahyeah okay, I came to the right thread, it seems. Very very good visual place now... *sigh*

For some reason I wasn't too convinced with Willow's body language when she was goin' down... it just didn't look... right. Maybe that's just Aly's reservations showing. Probly just me.

I think there's always a dominant partner, but it can be quite different in the sack.

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Pen: Will work for money.

[buffelina]

After seeing OMWF and the "under your skirt" ... oops, I mean "spell" number, I certainly see Willow as the sexual aggressor. She was, after all, on top before going down to Tara's nether realms.
Ironically, this week I uncovered a poem by Audre Lorde and I thought it ties in nicely with Willow and Tara. I tend to hear Willow as the narrator of this one. Here it is:
"On a Night of the Full Moon" by Audre Lorde
I
Out of my flesh that hungers
and my mouth that knows
comes the shape I am seeking
for reason.
The curve of your waiting body
fits my waiting hand
your breasts warm as sunlight
your lips quick as young birds
between your things the sweet
sharp taste of limes.
Thus I hold you
frank in my heart's eye
in my skin's knowing
as my fingers conceive your flesh
I feel your stomach
moving against me.
Before the moon wanes again
we shall come together.
II
And I would be the moon
sopken over your beckoning flesh
breaking against reservation
breaching thought
my hands at your high tide
over and under inside you
and the passing of hungers
attended, forgotten.
Darkly risen
the moon speaks
my eyes
judging your roundness
delightful.

Sigh!!!!

[Wolfix]

I don't know that the UYS scene from OMWF was really one to go by, albeit the only real sex scene they have had... keep in mind that Tara was busy singing and she did 'ask' for it from Willow, so... she sorta made the first move in a way.

I do think Willow is the sexual aggressor, but not neessarily all the time.

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Pen: Will work for money.

[buffelina]

I agree, Wolfix. I think they share the aggressor side.

[Kalita]

quote:

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Originally posted by xita:
aggressive:

3. Tending to spread quickly

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I was going to make a little comment here, but I'll just let this stand on its own... quote:

[buffelina]

A very wicked grin is necessary here!!!

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"I'm sooo the Net girl." -- Willow
"I'm under your spell
Nothing I can do
You just took my soul with you ..."
-- Tara to Willow in "Under Your Spell"

[yaquina]

So sorry to intrude....this topic is just rather...compelling...

As one of the Super Shy Set, I believe that *intially* Tara would wait for Willow to make the first definite sexual move because--and this may be totally obvious (sorry!), but:

1-Letting Willow make the first definite sexual move lets Tara gain confidence in the extent of Willow's feelings for her (that Willow won't neccessarily reject her), AND lets her realize that she (Tara) can actually be liked enough by someone she really likes, that that person would *want* to make the first move with her (if that makes sense!--Tara also having the not-so-high self-confidence, after all).

And,
2-Tara is already comfortable with her feelings for Willow but is sensitive to the fact that this is new for Willow. Because Tara's sweet that way, she has to let Willow figure things out for herself. Tara's initiating a physical relationship before Willow knows for sure what she wants may confuse Willow (because of the intenseness of feelings brought on by..well, you know).

Anyway.

After gaining that initial confidence in Willow, their relationship and herself, though, there's no reason Tara couldn't be VERY assertive as to her desires.

Sorry to go on so long! Thanks.

[Tim]

Rane--I miss early fic too

[BabyWillowsGoddess]

Okay i have a question for you all? what is sexually aggressive.. My girlfriend and i were talking about this tonite.. she says i'm dominant... I don't see how i am at all so maybe i'm missing the true definitions *which wouldn't be a first cuz she is so much smarter that me* she also told me i'm smart but i'm like willow and i hide it until you really get to talk to me and then you hear the way i talk and stuff... I agree with that i guess but i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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The One and Only True Goddess (Ask Kat) lol
Danniegirl

[tommo]

quote:

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Originally posted by BabyWillowsGoddess:
i don't get me being dominant... How do i stop this ????

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You seem to be worried that you are dominant in sexual situations. Unless this is a problem between you and your gf, if she's complaining about it or something, then I wouldn't have thought you need to worry about it.

There's nothing wrong with being sexually dominant. I think there's a little control freak in all of us that sometimes likes to be in charge in some of these situations. I suppose it's just a matter of whether it comes out or not.

We all have the potential to be submissive or dominant; finding the balance is the key to maintaining a healthy and vigorous active sex life.

I wouldn't have thought sexual dominance is a problem unless it's unusually dominant...or perhaps I really don't know what I'm talking about here. Whatever, you should celebrate your assertiveness; it's a very attractive trait in women. Or so I've heard, ahem.

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"Give Tara besitos de Salma." She wrinkled her nose. "Little kisses."
"I will." Willow's eyes shone. "I can't wait to see her." ~ Unseen: Long Way Homequote:

[delany]

i don't think that theresanoything wrong with being dominant. you should be rejoicing in the fact that you have the freedom to express your innermost sexual desires!! of course you get bad dominant type people who abuse their partners and stuff but thats a wee bit too depressing so i'll leave that one right there.
yay for the tops!!
yay for the bottoms!!
yay for those in between!!

oh and heres a crazy little factoid for ya that i just did in psyc class..
the british people lead the world in rates of liking to spank or be spanked during sexual experiences at a whopping 93%. i think i must be british..

del

[tommo]

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Originally posted by delany:
oh and heres a crazy little factoid for ya that i just did in psyc class..
the british people lead the world in rates of liking to spank or be spanked during sexual experiences at a whopping 93%. i think i must be british..

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Um...no comment.

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"Give Tara besitos de Salma." She wrinkled her nose. "Little kisses."
"I will." Willow's eyes shone. "I can't wait to see her." ~ Unseen: Long Way Homequote:

[Papaya]

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Originally posted by xita:
aggressive:

3. Tending to spread quickly

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That really stand on it's own!
I laughed my ass off.

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[wiccie]

Well, I feel all validated in this thread's premise after "TR".

Like Len summed up in another thread, what a wonderful microcosm of the W/T relationship we got in ten minutes - of course ending up with Willow on top, moving her mouth closer to Tara's...Mmmmm.

[BabyWillowsGoddess]

*~*~*~MORE OF MY THOUGHTS*~*~*~

Oh maybe it sounded the wrong way about that. i've always been the shy timid girl kinda in the shadows ya know? And after my girlie and i got together i didn't have to be the lil girl hiding in the shadows because she makes me feel like a goddess.. At the same time though, i want to be the shy timid girl... but i can't anymore because i'm so used to being dominant with her. its just weird i guess.. i never thought of myself that way until she said that i was so like willow last nite. cuz maybe before the first time we kissed she kissed me ya know... (the most perfect kiss through all of time) i guess i just never realized i was like that. and when she said it that i was it scared me. its like how did shy timid me do a 180*. And about that way to dominant thing, that has nothing to do with it because thats not even in the game. Neither her or i could ever be that domineering.. we are to sweet and loving oh and did i mention she is beautiful? okay i've had enough rambling...

Lots of Luv
Danielle

[BabyWillow81]

Danni I don't know what to say.....Ive read this thread today and after what has happened in the past few days...i'm sorry
everything is just so blurred. I know deep down i do love you, and i'm sorry about the situation ive put us, i mean you in at the moment. But trust me i'm coming around..and i don't care if the whole kittien board sees this too. I'm sorry about angel, im sorry about telling you im confused...but I can't lie to you i am confused..but this huge part of me knows i love you, that im in love with you. But after everythings thats just happened i need time to think. I can't jeopardize your love for me any more than i already have,and I can't make you feel any more pain. I still feel that your my everything....I just need time cause i guess i need to be able to trust myself so I know I won't hurt you again. Because thats the last thing i wanna do is push you away or make you feel im pushing you away because i'm not...we just need a little friend time right now.

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WILLOW: "I worship Beezlebub! I do his bidding! Do you see any goats around? NO! Because I scaraficed them all bow before SATAN!"
Mrs ROSENBERG:"Willow, please. I'm not listening to this."
WILLOW: "Prince of night, I summon you! Come fill me with you black, naughty evil!!"

[The Rose]

I think Willow and Tara take turns being
aggressive. In TR, Tara is the one who plays with Willow's hair first. After this
gesture of affection, then Willow goes to kiss Tara.

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Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.

Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

Tara: Nobody messes with my girl!