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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby angieb86 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:29 pm

DIBS!

NOOOOOO!!!! WHY DID SHE FLINCH??!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!

Okay. Other than that, this was a WONDERFUL chapter!

Excited about the fog...and now I'm even more excited about visiting California! The fog over there seems WAAAY cooler than this crappy TN fog.

I absolutely loved the references to "the day at the park." Makes me want to have a day in the park myself.

I think everything that's happened in this story has confirmed in me that moving to California is the right thing to do LOL. Women, parks, fog, the Filmore...It's time!! :)

And I think I may have lied....I cannot wait for the coming out! Please don't make me!! WHY DID SHE HAVE TO FLINCH?!!!

Anyway...Beautifully written as always. And I can't wait til the next update!

Hope all is well for you. :)

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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby BeMyDeputy » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:48 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be more coherent later.

ETA lots of stuff. Hopefully coherent:

Re: the S4 reference. Okay, you mean who they are as characters is more S4, not that the events match up. Willow and Tara, more than a lot of the Buffy characters, really change over the course of the Buffy storyline; by that criterion, they are certainly as much protagonists of the story as Buffy is. So yes, it makes sense.
Re: Buffy assuming Willow isn’t bi. Okay, I know I see the world with bi-tinted glasses. Still, her ammo is all “well, Willow likes boys, therefore she doesn’t like girls,” which is a logical error. I’m not saying logical errors are inconsistent for Buffy. I just want to smack her. Yes, she has years of experience with Willow, and no evidence she likes girls. That’s a much stronger position from which to argue. Again, totally in character, but with the making me want to smack her.
Re: Less/fewer. Oh, I totally agree that people use language differently than the rules would prescribe. I certainly try to write how people use language when I’m writing thoughts or spoken words, rather than how rules would say they should. I don’t it was wrong to have Willow think the technically incorrect word. I actually got a comment on my story mentioning that I pointed it out, though. I hope I don’t end up being remembered the chick who called Heather out on grammar. :)
Re: abused. Good abused! See, there was that reference to ‘Please’ in there that was aimed at conveying that I felt a more “yes, do it again” sort of abused rather than an “oh god make it stop” sort of abused. I think that technically might have been a sentence. So, I hope you aren’t too sad. And no, your dream sequences haven’t been deleted. But are you familiar with signal to noise ratio problems? Even if your story had an index, it would need tags to show where said dream sequences where to find them. Which I might make one day when I’m bored.

Okay, so to the new section.
I’m new to San Diego, so I was just introduced to May Gray/June Gloom this year. It was neat to see it referenced and have me understand what it was.

"It's because sound carries further in the fog," the redhead explained. "Fog amplifies sound. It's why you can hear the horn all the way down here." Willow finished speaking and dipped her head. "Sorry."

"For what?" Tara asked with a slight tilt of her head.

"Being nerdy on such a pretty night." The redhead looked up, sheepishly.

"Not nerdy; smart," the blonde said with a bright smile.

So cute! Very, very, cute. I love nerds, and am a nerd, and I love that Tara has an appreciation for us.

Tara nodded. Her heart beat wildly, suspecting that Willow was referencing a conversation they had many years before.

I really like how this evening has had the girls making several references to their day in the park to each other, rather than just in their heads. Talk about flirting in code! Particularly since from what we’ve seen, it was Willow who really pulled away and was hurtful after said day; by alluding to it over and over again, it’s a good way to let Tara know her mindset is more like it was before she (I’m guessing here) spazzed the fuck out.

My mom has this idea about what is right, like she knows better than I do what is good for me, what my life should be like.

I think this is a really common problem for adult children; Willow might not notice, because she’s the only one of her close friends who are close to their parents. And based on the authority of having been born in New York City, I can say this is a pretty stereotypical Jewish mother thing. It is a good way to express what’s concerning her to Tara without screwing up her plans.

"Oh, that's," Willow stopped, momentarily speechless. "That's really sweet, Tara, but that's, way, way, too big of a job."

Out of curiosity, did you mean this to sound so much like the dolls eye crystal bit?

And Willow flinched.

They sure have walked themselves into a box, haven’t they? Tara’s told Willow that she would never, ever, EVER, be with someone who wasn’t out. Willow knows it would be selfish to act until she’s out, but has laid groundwork on the crystallizing assumption that when she does come out they can be together. Tara’s told Willow that she can be patient. Just earlier tonight! Willow has plans to come out this weekend. Tara suspects that these are her plans. So instead of just going to sit in separate rooms and not lay eyes on one another until the shitstorm hits and begins to pass, they go do something so stupidly romantic one of them makes a move. See the above “AAA . . . .” It feels a kinda parallel to their day at the park. Nice day, lots of it together, fall asleep together and then . . . not so good.

I’m with Debra, though: if Willow’s next words don’t include ‘yet,’ I may have to hurt her. With my reality-to-fiction-piercing stabby-thing. Or she kiss her. That would also avoid my wrath.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby Finey_McFine » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:58 pm

BeMyDeputy wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

DITTO.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby W&T » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:21 am

NOOOOOOO! How could you leave it there?! -- although after the all the other chaapters it should be obvious that you are just a MAHOOSIVE tease :P

Please don't make them wait much longer? Pretty please? :pray

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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby ssc1980 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:31 am

I second the AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Dear Heather, I love this story, but at this point I think it needs to start coming with a Surgeon General's warning, because you are surely killing us all.

And I mean that in the best way possible. :)

What a treat for the New Year, and a perfect way to end my vacation.

Please update again, soon, lest you find yourself surrounded by a pile of unconscious kittens.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby sadie » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:24 am

BeMyDeputy wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be more coherent later.



^ That
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby vampyregurl73 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:19 am

Here I was all happy to see an update and this is what I get...

FLINCHED?!?!?! :thud :thud :thud :thud :thud

She FLINCHED?!?!?! :crazy :crazy :shock :shock :shock

Oh for the love of.... something..... If it weren't 3:15am there would be some SERIOUSLY loud cursing going on.....

I stick with my earlier comments - tease - pure and simple - and you like it too... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby singgirl » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:32 am

Are you serious!?!?!?
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby nightmask » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:06 am

I think I'm gonna cry this chapter is just amazing and the flinching is only going to add to more tension in this story I don't know how it's possible to be that patient and come up with a story so amazing fantastic job!
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby Grimm » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:33 am

BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH...How could you :cry :cry :cry ?? All the wonderful things that happend...and then she flinched? This is torture.....Torture I say!!!!!!! :happy
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby LonelyTara » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:47 am

I am going to have to say, that was, I think a far crueler cliffhanger than I've ever experienced in this fic before. It's funny though, in a way, it fills me with elation because I think it means you must be about to follow up with something big and great to make up for it. I'm going to comment in reverse order on key moments:

And Willow flinched.


I think there are three reasons why Willow flinched here. #1--She's embarrassed about lying about the Four Seasons, #2--She has a Plan with a capital P, we all know Willow, she freaks a bit when plans start to get derailed, #3--Did I mention she has a plan? I really hope that this leads into an explanation of the plan to Tara, or at least that Tara doesn't totally misconstrue...

Tara savored the feeling, relished the unguarded time, and she held the redhead in her arms as she herself closed her eyes to rest under the fog-covered sky.


Tara has to know this isn't the behavior of platonic friends. That will carry her through whatever happens post "f".

They discussed famous spots and hidden gems, man-made obelisks and natural wonders for more than an hour until the redhead's speech became slow and slurred, her words turning to mumbles and mutters in the growing darkness. A long, quiet moment just holding each other was broken by Tara's near whispered words.


I imagine this will become one of their happiest memories as they live out their lives together.

The thought of the redhead's bright face tilted skyward, her skin lit up with flashes of color and her eyes dancing with joy at the sight of sparkles made the blonde's heart skip a beat. "I'd like that," Tara said, her voice clear and sincere.


Oh the glory of the painting she would paint!

Thank you for the update, we all adore you, even if you're a wondrous, wondrous tease. :blush (I can't say a terrible tease, because what you're doing here is too marvelous!)

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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:15 am

Let me hazard a guess; Willow flinched because she's intent on sticking to "The Plan," I'd say. Understandable but, well, I think there'll be soem costs.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby zampsa19752001 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:49 am

Yay for another excellent update-y goodness... I truly truly hope that Willow explains that her flinching is 100% due to the Plan she has... I hope Tara helps Willow in preparing to meet her mom... I absolutely loved their fog gazing and planning for their European-Fog-Gazing-Tour...
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby Guest » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:30 am

Heavenly read my friend <3

I appreciate your amazingly creative story telling skills even though I readily feel like wrapping my fingers around the nearest rolling pin and affectionately pummelling Willow's flinch with it.

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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby BuffyFan4ever » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:16 pm

And Willow flinched.

:wtf :crazy

Willow needs to explain her Plan to Tara so she doesn't get the wrong idea.

You better not make us wait months for the next update. :happy
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby SylverMaki » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:22 pm

DITTO ON THE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Then I can't believe I didn't post a reply between this update and the last, I was looking for you reply to me and it wasn't there and I went back to look. I nearly slapped myself. I think I was so scared with the Buffy conversation from that last update I had to stop thinking about.

This update is far scarier, I got the the last few paragraphs and I was like oh no they are going to kiss and oh no it is going to ruin the plan and then BAM!! :smash :smash :smash :smash they kiss and she flinches are you kidding me.

I agree with everyone when they say cliffhanger of the century. Please don't let it add 17 more updates of Willow trying to fix this. Please let Tara be bold and realize that Willow wants it but will back off because she has an inkling of Willow's plan, why else is she so anxious about seeing her mom and Buffy.

Please let Xander slap Willow if he comes into town for flinching. Willow is hurting Tara's heart and she doesn't deserve it.

Anyway THANKSS!!!! :party :party for the update, appreciate and love you for continuing to update. I hope the next one is today lol. OH and HAPPY NEW YEAR 2011 will be the best. I hope I find the kind of intense love you describe so well in these updates.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby Foomatic » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:40 pm

You know what woke me up this morning? The collective "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" from kittens around the world when Willow flinched. The flinch heard/felt/seen around the world.

I loved the tension you created at the very end. Gah.

Arousal shot through her veins at the sight of the redhead's tongue, and she hurriedly looked back up, her eyes searching Willow's for instruction on what to do.


That last part, wanting so much for that tiny sign to know that it would be okay to kiss her. There's someting so powerful about want and need and desire that it just shuts down the logical part of the brain. It's magnificent and so scary.

It'll be interesting to see how Tara recovers from this. She's got it so engrained in her hand that Willow is beyond attainable . . . there's gotta be some guilt there in trying to take advantage of their relationship, and I'm sure she thinks she's f'd it up completely by trying to kiss her and will swear up and down that it'll never happen again. And Willow, with all her resolve to "do the right thing", how much damage has she done with that tiny little flinch?

Regardless, I know you'll handle it with the delicate care we've all grown to love. Thanks for the update!

PS Sorry for the lack of feedback that was supposed to accompany my triumphant dibs for the last update. :)
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby WillowRTaraM1 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:10 pm

YOU CANT END THERE!!!! Speechless speechless speechlessssssssssssssssssssss .......maybe more coherent thoughts on a later date :shock
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:35 pm

As I've suggested before, the scenes with Shiela and with Buffy will probably be very tough to write, we'll have to "waitandsee" :-).
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby Mrs. Pineapple » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:37 pm

Aah, I knew this was gonna end in pain! Let's hear it for angst, shall we? I feel a Xander-moment coming up. I've been kind of missing him, and let's face it - this is really the time to call in the big guns.

Really curious as to what will happen next. Their nearly-kiss is really too much for either of them to deny... Ooh, the tension!

Once again, you leave us hanging. And I'm loving every second of it. :peace
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby wiccanvixen » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:27 pm

OMG, this fic has me all types of flustered!! I have been reading this fic since it was first posted, and I love it.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby shiraz » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:46 pm

Ha haaaaa! I LOVE it!! Great chapter. The snuggles were warm and cozy and both of them seemed to feel perfectly natural about it :) I've always loved Willow's sleepy talk...the hose is broken! And the stuff at the door...the back rubbing, hair moving, lip licking yumminess. Just amazing! And the flinch...? Maybe Tara stepped on her toe? ;-)

Thank you so much for the New Year's update and I look forward, as always, to the next chapter.

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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby Kajun » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:05 pm

“I was worried when I moved from the Panhandle that it would be too far away, but I can still hear it once all the other noises go to sleep."


WOW. I just love this line. It’s peaceful like nature whispering to your soul. Err.. country girl here so my fog horn would sound more like a hoot owl but you know what I mean. :wink

The moose is actually a bison? Heh. I was hoping you would include references to the constellation naming scene. Yah! And you even made it sweeter. And.. if you didn’t do such a primo job making Willow and Tara seem so “real” I wouldn’t get so crazy reading it!!!!

I loved Willow’s explanation for the nervousness meeting with her mom. Very well said without revealing the main reason for this particular meeting being complicated. She opened up to Tara quite a bit there and it was a nice surprise. Plus, making plans for future “dates” and getting to know each other better with the small things like hat wearing and sunglasses creating clumsiness and snuggling is awesome. I think this conversation with Tara, the entire evening actually, will be a big help soothing Willow’s nerves a bit for the upcoming err.. coming out to Shelia and Buffy. Unless, of course, YOU throw a monkey in the wrench with this whole flinching incident. Oh Gawd. Please tell me Willow flinched because a big drop of water plopped into her eye. Or Tara accidentally stepped on her toe. Or a giant mosquito followed them in from the roof top fog gazing adventure and bit Willow on the butt. Or the phone rang. That’s it! Buffy. Damn her and her consistently bad timing!

As always.. really enjoying each and every update.. to the happy ending.. promise.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby WillowRulez » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:16 pm

What! Willow!? Noooooo...
I have to admit that I got spoilered ("And Willow flinched.") but I was still shocked. The perfect moment and Willow ruins it. Or maybe not, depending on your continuation after this scene. Willow is so set on being "out" first, that it can ruin everything. I hope she tells Tara why she pulled away and not only after her coming out.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby wayland » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:17 pm

Hi Easiersaid,

Amazing update, one of the best, in my opinion. Beautifully written. The way you built up the feeling of intimacy on the roof was just lovely.


And then,

This was more. It was everything. And it was happening.


I think I actually held my breath at this point.


Honestly, the last few chapters had almost entirely weaned me off my angst addiction; I was truly enjoying the relatively smooth road, and then…Willow flinched.

I really wasn’t expecting that. (Even though, while reading, a little voice in my head was saying ‘this isn’t how it’s meant to be…’) My first thought was that, as with Buffy’s phone call, it didn't have to put things back to square one. It didn’t have to convince Tara that she’d completely misread all the signals. I could see her berating herself for breaking her vow to be patient and for putting pressure on Willow, but not backtracking entirely. But then I read your feedback responses and,
I honestly think the only one that can shake Tara's faith in Willow is Willow herself.


Ominous.

You certainly know how to write a cliffhanger.

It’s compelling. You’ve put the focus of the story firmly back on the relationship between Willow and Tara. I know that probably seems a strange thing to say about Neverland, but recent updates have had us worrying about Buffy’s feelings, about Sheila’s reaction and the general fall out, and now the dramatic tension is firmly placed back between Willow and Tara and not around them. I can’t wait to see how they react to this. In my mind, it was always Willow who, ultimately, had to take the first step. For her own sake, as much as for Tara’s. Now she really has to.


"Can I see it later?" The redhead asked hopefully, her free hand playing with the hem of Tara's sweater.

The blonde's eyes narrowed. "I don't know, can you?" She teased.

"May I see it later?" Willow corrected, stilling her hand but otherwise completely unfazed by the correction.


This exchange made me laugh. A nod to grammar geeks?
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby edob » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:50 pm

thank you for the update!!!!!!

I'm with the AAAAAAAAAAAA brigade :peace
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby bouncer73 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:21 pm

O M G....Willow flinched???...I have been reading this story FOREVER and I was on the end of my chair waiting and holding my own breath...

Maybe she flinched cause of the rain drops..maybe she flinched cause shes cold and wet..yes thats it..can't be because of Tara..oh I am dying over here and can't wait for an update again..

you are so killing me with this story.....so much that I love it..great job
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby inspiron » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:50 am

Oh Gosh, this chapter was simply delicious! The sweet tender moments you create are pure bliss. I love being able to immerse myself in Neverland and forget the real world for a while.

I tell ya, I definitely wouldn’t want to trade places with either of them for the next few minutes. It’s going to be awkward, uncomfortable, tense, etc etc. I can’t wait to see Willow try and back-peddle her way out of this one. Maybe, in an uncharacteristic move, she’ll blow caution to the wind and lean back in….but my suspicions are Willow will make a hasty retreat and beat herself up about flinching in the privacy of her room.

Tara, I’m sure, will do the same. She’ll cringe and condemn herself for such a bold maneuver, before eventually taking the optimistic view that Willow wanted to kiss her too. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if this little incident made Tara confront what she has been afraid to do for a while now, and that is confide in Buffy.

As for Willow’s wingman…. "Na na na na na na na na Xander!" (said in the tune of …"Batman"). He’ll fly in and save the day for sure. :lol

Thanks again for another stellar chapter and, of course, a cliffhanger that leaves us desperately wanting more.
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby LittleBit » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:59 am

Willow flinched!!!!! That's where you end this chapter!?!?!?!? Well I guess you have written quite a number of cliffhangers so you would be considered quite the master of them, but really why does Willow have to flinch?? I ask this rhetorically because no doubt in the next update you will provide Willow's viewpoint and there will be some excuse as to why she flinched ... and I'll love it and think that it is completely appropriate with the Willow character that you have created.

I must admit that I love how consistent you have been with your character development especially considering how long you have been writing this story for (and please that is not a judgment or anything ... I just wanted to thank you for continuing to develop the characters with a realistic aspect).

Still waiting on this weekend .... :D

Keep up the fantastic writing and please provide the next update soonish! :D
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Re: New Fic - Neverland

Postby TinyAnt » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:20 am

Aaaaaand that's the most hated flinch in history! Congrats! :P

I could try to pretend and hope that maybe it won't be such a huge deal, but that's pretty unrealistic, right? On the one hand, they are both so obsessed with analysing every single detail, and they were so in the moment with that kind of tunnel vision centred on each other, there's no way Tara missed it. On the other hand, every cliffhanger you've given us has been a real one. You are too good a writer to try to increase the "excitement" at the expense of the story.

I remember I used to read these sort of horror stories when I was a kid, "Goosebumps"? Every signgle chapter ending was like... "and she fell and DIED!" And the next page "But not really, actually it was just a tiny scratch." That might've been my first literary pet peeve, now that I think about it :P

So... Willow flinched, and now there will be more heartache, confusion and misunderstandings. Because I don't see them sitting down and talking for once. Not yet at least. Specially Willow, so determined to see her schedule trough. She's like a dog with a bone!

Well, everything had been going so smoothly for such a long time, something was bound to happen. At least they (and we!) had some lovely moments before that to tide us over :P

You know, as a music lover myself, since through you I have discovered some wonderful tracks, I've wondered how I could return the favor. The thing is, anything I know of northamerican and english music, you surely know already. What I can offer, if you are interested, are different styles and different artists from a latinamerican perspective. I think sometimes we are culturally bound to come in touch with only some types of music, and we might be missing out on music we would love, if only we had the chance to give it a try. The people we come in contact with are usually gateways into such different cultural expressions, just like you were for me, for example, and I learned about some bands I otherwise never would've heard of. So I guess the offer is to be a gateway! :P And like I said, you only have to go through if you're interested.

Like always, it was a lovely surprise to find you had updated. Can't wait to be surprised again! :D

ETA:
1) LOVED the little chat about the word "fog". It's exactly the sort of thing I would talk about with my friends! Studying translation warps your mind like that :P And it's very in character for Willow, always so curious about absolutely everything and wondering about things that others wouldn't
2) Just to clarify, I do get the flinch. The reasons behind it and everything. It's just... the consequence! The dire consequences! D:
Last edited by TinyAnt on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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