About Tara's "kiss me" speech in Entropy

[BFR from Paris]

I hope this hasn't been discussed before (I searched the forum before posting this)



With all the discussions about everyone's favourite W/T kiss (can't chose, btw, and I want a collection of all T/W moments on DVD!! ), I started thinking about Tara's speech in Entropy, and wondering if she had rehearsed it or if she just decided to go see Willow and improvise...



What do you think?



BFR

[hellmouthhottie20]

i think that it started out as she had reharsed, but then when she saw willow it went out the window, and she just had to "have" willow there and then.

How could anyone resist



Caz

So what if my grades are lousy, you always said its not what you know its who you know.

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 2/24/05 11:18 am

[molsongrrrl]

I think Tara rehearsed that speech more than a few times ... she was the mature one on the show ... she would be more apt to really believe the words she spoke. But, looking at Willow on the bed ... she decided to follow her heart, not her head!



And what a great kiss it is!

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

[friskylez]

I love that scene and have watched it numerous times, Ambers "delivery" was amazing, as an actress she played that scene perfectly...Level headed Tara at the beginning, saying..."things go wrong and trust takes time to build again," then soulful Tara saying..."you never know if they are going to work out", then the I love you and want to be with you Tara who says phuck it,..."cant you just be kissing me now"...



Ambers expressions, her body language everything was perfect and Aly, well those facial expressions she had during the speech said it all, no dialogue needed..What a wonderful wonderful scene..



To answer the question, i agree that Tara had thought very carefully about what she wanted to say to Willow, but decided that their love was to special to wait and see what happens..She knew she loved Willow and Willow loved her so her decision was made...Ill always cherish that scene, next to the two great scenes in NMR, its my all time favorite

carpe' noctem

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 2/24/05 11:17 am

[Sarabie317]

I think she went to see Willow with the intention of making a booty call. Why else would she have dropped by Willow's bedroom like that?



After the coffee date, she realized that they needed to be together, and that her presence would help keep Willow off the magick.



In doing so, she was going against her usual practical nature, thus the speech. Her head wasn't entirely comfortable with the idea, and I think she needed to hear herself say those things just as much as she needed to convey them to Willow.



Just my take.

The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. I'll live in the hearts of the hopeful forever.---------------------- Tara Maclay, as scripted by myself

[Gatito Grande]

I'm not so sure it was rehearsed . . . and I really don't think it was a "booty call" per se. Something had been building in Tara for awhile, at least as early as "Older and Far Away."



After the coffee date, Tara just couldn't stay away. I don't think she herself understood what was going on inside, only that she had to be w/ Willow.



And yet, and yet: the principled Tara, the part of herself that made her walk away from her soulmate in the first place---it was warring inside her. Demanding expression, that Core of Principle insisted on stating the "we have to go slow" arguments. But "the heart has its reasons which reason knows not of": Tara's heart wasn't denying reason or moral principle. It was just putting reason in its place: after the Highest Truths of "C-can you just be kissing me now?"



Really, Tara is one of the most "together" characters I've ever seen on the small screen (yet believably human): a Fowler Stage 5---Maslow's "self-actualizer."*



GG And oh yeah: *entirely HOT in leather* Out





*See James Fowler's Stages of Faith and Abraham Maslow's "Hierarchy of Needs" (in lots of his works).

[AutumnT]

What Gatito said.



Though I will admit I did laugh at the "booty call" comment above. Maybe because everytime I think of that scene I eventually think of those dykey boots.



You know, they really chose well with the music for this scene too because, as usual it fit the mood so well. Not that I've listened to it that many times. No. Not me. Never.

Autumn

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Well, the reindeer part was nice...

[The Rose24]

I do not think Tara went to Willow for just a booty call. She wanted Willow back in her life in every way. This had been building since "Older and Far Away" and Maybe even "Dead Things." Every time W/T were around each other it is like they did not know what to do with their hands because they are usually all over each other. It is always very obvious they are still completely in love with each other, but they still needed time to sort things out. Tara had to make sure Willow is staying off the magicks and trust Willow will never betray her love and trust again. Just like is "Hell's Bells," there were those longing looks they shared with each other while Anya recited her wedding vows.



So in short, Tara wanted to give Willow a third chance to be in her(Tara's) safe arms again. Judging by Willow's reactions, she was more than happy to jump into the safety of Tara's arms again.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.

Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

Willow: Hi, um Tara. I was wondering maybe you want to go out some time for coffee? food? Kisses and gay love?

Edited by: The Rose24  at: 6/2/02 8:52:24 pm

[xita]

I think that Tara had seen or heard what happened with the other scoobies and decided that she loved Willow and Willow loved her and it was time they got back together. At this point, Willow seemed committed to beating her addiction and proven herself to Tara. Certainly, Buffy was going to kill them all in Normal Again ... so Tara felt secure in her decision to give it another try. Seeing the disaster that is X/A probably made Tara decide that they couldn't hurt each other like that and that their love was better than that petty stuff. They had bigger issues and yet their love went on. sigh.. and yeah .. she missed her honey

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Willow and Tara Love

Truly and Forever

[VampNo12]

I have to agree and say Tara probably had this speech, which she rehearsed quite a few times. However, the main point of the speech was although, they had to work some things out still, Tara wanted Willow back so they could be a couple again.



I think its interesting how in the beginning Tara is at the threshold of the door, but not actually crossing it until she gives this look like she is gathering her strength up. In other words, in the episode when Dawn and her are worrying that Buffy and Willow didn't come home (can't remember the name of the episode) Tara wouldn't enter Willow's bedroom when they were searching for her and Buffy. However, in Entropy I think it was a concerted effort that once Tara entered Willow's room it meant/underscored her belief that they were ready to enter into a relationship again.



So as Tara was going through her speech specifying the overall issues, I think her heart finally said skip the speech for another day, and just do what you been wanting to happen for the longest time. Tara knew Willow at this point was beating her addiction, knew they both loved each other completely, and therefore, "can you just be kissing me now" was the right thing to say at that time/no need to wait any longer.

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 2/24/05 11:18 am

[Katharyn]

I immediatly (and I have only watched once) took this to be that Tara wanted Willow back in her life. That she had all this speech, or at least ideas, she had been working on to get them through the "necessary stuff" but really... it wasn't necessary.



To me they obviously sooo felt the same way, were missing each other terribly that she didn't want to drag it out anymore.



Just my first impression and not a very contraversial one at all*S* I must be losing my touch.



Katharyn

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You hear that baby? I am going nowhere.

[xita]

oh yes the coming in the door, so deliberate. She's ready to go and live inside that space of theirs again... so sweet.

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Willow and Tara Love

Truly and Forever

[Rally]

It's funny, I think we discussed the speech prior to the episode and had come upon the assumption that Dawn had let Tara in the house. But after Normal Again, we saw that both Tara and Xander let themselves in the house, no questions asked.



So I feel Tara went there, no rehersal, no practice, just on sheer drive alone. An incredibly sweet moment...

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Officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Taz]

I don't think you can practice that kind of emotion. Perhaps, you have something in my mind but, when you look in your soulmates eyes all logic flies out of your head, at least for me it does.

When in doubt go left.

[Hair Annoyed]

Yeah, I kind of think it was a booty call, at least in the sense that Tara knew she was ready to make up with Willow and that that would lead to make up sex. I also think that it had been building for a while. To me it seems like Tara is talking more to herself then she is to Willow, like she's been reminding herself for a few weeks why they were apart in the first place and what it would take to get them back together. When she asked Willow, "can you just be kissing me now?" she certainly didn't have to ask twice. Willow didn't need convincing that it was OK to get back together, Tara herself did. The speech is just Tara verbalizing the thoughts and feelings that have been going around her head for a while.

[hellmouthhottie20]

"sigh", i just love the way that willow lunged at tara, but in a loving need to way



Caz

So what if my grades are lousy, you always said its not what you know its who you know.

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 2/24/05 11:19 am

[kate]

Entropy. Kissing. Thresholds. Lunging. What a thread!



I like the way that if you watch Entropy on your tape and just leave it running to Seeing Red, you get the kissing twice as it is in the Previously On. Of course, I usually negate that anyway by just rewinding the dykey booty call (tm Autumn) over and over again.



I like to think of the missing Tara time in Entropy - her sitting in her dorm room going over what had happened on the date and wondering what she should do, and eventually just putting on her take charge clothes and going to get her girl back.

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 2/24/05 11:19 am

[AutumnT]

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It's funny, I think we discussed the speech prior to the episode and had come upon the assumption that Dawn had let Tara in the house

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Yeah you're right we did. And obviously now it was not Dawn. Since we all know was a fortress NOT that house is and since she lived there for a long time I think it is safe to assume that walking in was fine.



Something about this thread makes me happy. Maybe because of what it leads up to.

Autumn

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Well, the reindeer part was nice...

[Rally]

I still argue, because of the Wildfeed screw up, that Entropy never really got discussed. It was completely lost in the hullabaloo over Seeing Red.

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Officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[molsongrrrl]

i agree the wildfeed thing really kinda pushed entropy out of the way discussion wise ... everyone focused on seeing red

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

[witchfan]

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I like to think of the missing Tara time in Entropy - her sitting in her dorm room going over what had happened on the date and wondering what she should do, and eventually just putting on her take charge clothes and going to get her girl back.

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i'm so with you on this one kate...i just felt like Tara had spent the time after their coffee date realizing that willow was proving herself, and was trying to take the right steps to get her back...and the steps were enough...

Tara: What are they looking at?

Willow: The hotness of you, doofus.

[AutumnT]

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I still argue, because of the Wildfeed screw up, that Entropy never really got discussed.

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Yup. You're so right Rally. Hell I *saw* Seeing Red before I saw Entropy because of that screw up. And in the massive "Your shirt" fall out Entropy got lost in our grief shuffle. I really, really wish they had aired it as the last episode before the huge repeat break instead of Normal Again because then we would have at least had some time to enjoy the reunion before the ugliness. Because as dramatic as the last scene we are discussing was there was so much fun to be found in the flirty nature of their conversations earlier. Rather well summed up in Rally's avatar. Something tells me Rally liked Entropy. I'm sensing some sort of a ... connection.

Autumn

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Well, the reindeer part was nice...

[Sheridan]

TEntropy did get lost in the shuffle, but not really surprising, how could you think about the sweetness of that ending when you were faced with the horror of what came next? I thought Entropy had a lot to recommend it. Buffy seemed healthy for the first time since last year. You go some decent scnes for Dawn, and of course that ending. If only they hadn't tainted it all with the decline into cliche...

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Rally]

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Rather well summed up in Rally's avatar. Something tells me Rally liked Entropy. I'm sensing some sort of a ... connection.

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Yes but what Autumn...



Rally... Entropy... avatar...



I lost it.

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Officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[AutumnT]

Does it have something to do with subletting?

Autumn

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Well, the reindeer part was nice...

[Rally]

Are you saying that all this time Tara been subletting from me?

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Officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[AutumnT]

And once again Autumn and Rally don't give a damn if anyone else doesn't find their rehashing of The Weight of the World funny. Because damn it, it amuses them.



Now back to the topic at hand.



Other things I liked about Entropy: The way Anya says "Squish. Squish. Squish."



The fact that they actually acknowledged that the Doublemeat Palace monster did indeed look like a giant penis.



Cameo by Dark Sheep Mysterioso!



Willow's facial expressions when talking to Anya. Especially right before "Why are we talking about this?"



Anya storming off with Willow's mocha.



That Tara, even when all dressed up, still can't resist pulling on the dykey boots.



But someone answer me this. So, Willow has just seen Anya and Spike having sex. Her best friend is devestated and has left the house with a freaking axe. Her other best friend has gone after him. And this makes her think, hey I guess I'll go read up in my room? Because that makes sense? Not so much.

Autumn

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Well, the reindeer part was nice...

[Dumbsaint]

I thought it was funny.

Wham, bam, slap-a-tag-on-my-toe, ma'am.

Hello, evil now!

[PandoraSpocks]

I love the foreshadowing 'coffee, kisses, and gay love' in that exact order. Willow got her wish all in the same day. And the kiss

Tara: "I am, you know" Willow: "What?" Tara: "Yours" (Hearts a Flutter)

[xita]

Did she get food though? or maybe that was Tara later Some nice nurishment.

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Willow and Tara Love

Truly and Forever