Chance now available on VHS and DVD

[T Maclay]

apparently there are/were three on Kazaa, and I found another one today on Imesh (same sort of thing as Kazaa). I hope they get removed as Amber has said she doesnt want them on there.

Bored-Now

[urnofosiris]

Ah see, I did not know that. I'm not on those lists.

Anyway, I heard a loud thud when the mail got delivered today, not the sound my usual bills make when they hit the floor. There it was, my very own Chance DVD.

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She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.

--Patsy Stone

[BFR from Paris]

Congratulations, DrG!!



"Chance" is taking over the world! Mwahahaha

[J uk]

Uh, hi. The three clips that are going around have been available for ages, and are all in the Chance : Media, Discussion thread. I really don't see the problem as long as the entire film isn't ripped (and I have seen requests for that).

[urnofosiris]

Oh I totally forgot about that. Are it the very same clips that are the problem now? That dude acted and co-produced Chance, anyone can still download his clips. You'd think they are officially sanctioned and that it would be ok to link them, surely it does not really matter what other sites they are on as long as you credit the source. Weird.



Edit: Thanks BFR, if only Chance would take over my country, might make things more fun than they are now.

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She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.

--Patsy Stone

Edited by: DrG at: 9/20/03 5:41 pm

[eccentrictulip]

my copy came today, but i ordered the vhs, and they sent the dvd!!!!!!!!! so, i can't watch it......

~*I would like to be the air that inhabits your body for one moment

only. I would like to be that unnoticed and that necessary*~ Margaret

Atwood

[hells bells]

i had a look today on kazaa and there are a couple of clips of chance (other than the usual two that have been around ...eg. nate barlow's one and something that looks like a preview)...sooo tempted to d/l it cos i'm in the processing of buying it but haven't got it yet...but didn't cos well just for the principle of it....

[urnofosiris]

Aw, Eccentrictulip that's a bummer. You really don't have a DVD player? Not even on your computer? No chance (no pun intended) you would have gotten a DVD player soon anyway? The quality is much better compared to a video and a DVD is easier to store and should have a longer lifespan than a video. I am one of the people who waited longest before buying a CD player way back when the dinosaurs walked the earth. I finally bought one because I had won a CD at a competition.

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She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.

--Patsy Stone

[scifiacid]

The clips, two of them, that where posted on the slayerverse.de site where different from the ones that have been around for ages. And it was posted on the amberbenson mailing list on Thursday, which is not a list run by little willow. But obviously one she belongs to because I haven't seen it posted on any other list. I believe there has always been a standing 'please don't' when it comes to putting vid clips up as well as the script itself.



It does look, as far as I can tell, that they are no longer at the link that was provided.

[T Maclay]

Has anyone else noticed this, or any other simular things. Having watched Chance several times yesterday, then watching a buffy episode today, (season 4, episode 3), 'Chance' is wearing the same t-shirt as Oz is wearing. The redy one with Dragon Inn on it. I wonder if it is the excate shirt.

Bored-Now

[Jimmi Magnus]

It is the same shirt. Amber got a lot of support from the people at/behind Buffy.

-I feel as if a kitten sat on my face all night

[TaraWannabe]

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Just a question to the aussie kittens (or well any fans in general really) who ordered Chance...do you first send an email to bensonentertainment with the order of what you want, wait for the confirmation email and then pay for it on paypal?

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I never sent a separate email. All the order information that Bensonentertainment wanted can be attached to the paypal order. Anyway, that's what I did and then they automatically replied to the email address that I am registered at at paypal.



BTW the dvd arrived in front of my door (my landlady often gets the mail and distributes it to everyone) here in Victoria, BC on Friday morning. On Saturday morning I was finally able to watch it and it was really great.



The only scene that I wasn't sure what to think about was the second time when Chance was hooking up with the other woman and said s.th. like she isn't really that interested in girls but it's something you experiment with in your 20s. That's how it sounded to me but I have only watched the film once so far. Correct me if I am wrong.



TW



P.S.: You might have noticed that I have no clue how to do proper quotes -- sorry about that.

[Bones98]

Hi TaraWannabe



As a fellow Aussie, I was wondering which format you odered on DVD ?? ( USA or European )



....... or is your DVD player a Multizone player?



Im hopeing to order the DVD if I can find out which format works on Region 4 (Australian) DVD players.....



Thanks...

[justin]

Bones98, I emailed Benson entertainment a while ago to ask them about that and the response was that the DVDs aren't region encoded and that people in Australia have been ordering the PAL version.

Anya in a wimple...I'd pay full admission for that. Gods Served And Abandoned - by Antigone Unbound

[hells bells]

Hey Bones:

i'm in australia too and am ordering the PAL version too....now i just have to get the paypal thing going...lol.



thanks everyone else for the reply on the paypal thingy...much appreciated

[Bones98]

Thanks Justin and hells bells....



*Races off to order PAL DVD.....*

[sheila wt]

Wooo-hooo!!! Got my DVD!!!



Besides the obvious, another thing I also love in that movie is the songs. They's just too cool.

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"She had tasted Willow on her tongue, and she had worn Willow on her skin. There wasn't a shower in the world that could have washed that away." (Terra Firma, by Tulipp)

[helpful information perha]

a happy hipie is going home to watch Chance tonight! Does Dance of Joy

Thanks Benson Entertainment

[kbk3022]

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Amber is asking that no video clips of CHANCE be posted online in any form.

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I can't believe anyone would be so goofy (I'm using one of my nice words here) as to do that to Amber and company who put so much work into "Chance."

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Okay, I am probably in the minority here, but I have to say that I don’t see what the problem is with clips of the movie being online. The people doing it aren’t necessarily “goofy” or “sad.” A lot of people interested in the movie have not seen it and have nothing visual to let them know about it. I can understand that with copyrights, unauthorized posting of clips is a bad thing. However, I think people have only been doing it to help get the word out about Chance. There most likely wasn’t malicious intent behind it. Maybe if Benson Entertainment posted a few clips or compiled a trailer of sorts (which isn’t difficult to do), then people would have somewhere to go to get an idea of the movie they may potentially want to buy.



Also, viewing clips or a trailer may convince someone who was iffy on buying it to go ahead and make the purchase. With the price where it is, it’s a considerable risk to shell out that kind of cash on an unknown movie that could potentially be not-so-good (because let’s face it, every movie has that potential regardless of director, actors, etc.). The price is high regardless of the reasons behind it. I know this is Amber, and I would love to support her (which I have in the past). I'm sure other people would like to as well. However, I think some people need a little bit more convincing on why they should buy this movie. Seeing a piece of it such as a trailer or small clips may help out. I think the putting the clips online struck a chord with me because I recalled an interview when Amber stated that if she didn't get a distribution deal then she would at least put it on the internet where her fans could see it.



As a side note, I remember her stating before that she'd like to do a College tour so that college students could see the film because it's a "20-something film." I'm not sure how she thinks college kids can afford the movie... but that’s kind of not the real point of this post.



Mentioning distribution deals, I've seen a few articles mentioning they were being offered to Amber, but she declined because she wanted Chance to be released in a theater.

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In the meantime, Benson has had an offer from a straight-to-video vendor but is hopeful she'll find a place for Chance on the big screen--even if it's a brief run. "I just think it'd be so much fun to see it in the theater..."

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It’s just kind of confusing to me why a distribution deal would have been turned down in favor of the way they’re selling the movie now.



Um... anyway, in conclusion, if I had the money I would probably buy the movie. If someone put up clips of the movie, I would probably download them. If someone burned me a copy of the movie, I wouldn't say no. However, if Chance got a distribution deal, I would be right on it.



I still think clips online may not be a bad thing if done the right way.

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[emma peel]

kbk3022 wrote:



" I think some people need a little bit more convincing on why they should buy this movie."



I disagree with you on that point, kbk3022. I think that probably 95% of the people who have purchased the photo/and or poster thereby getting a free copy of Chance don't need any convincing at all. They are getting it because of Amber, and the word of mouth of those of us who have seen the movie and love it. Amber is going to great lengths to make it available to us.

Just MHO.

Janice

Edited by: emma peel at: 9/23/03 5:24 pm

[dekalog]

kbk3022 from what I understand there is no distribution deal because of 'contract' issues and such - they were discussiong it back a bit before in the Chance media thread it had to do with legal issues - it is not because Amber said no to distributors (cause as an independant artist - this is highly unlikely)



As for the cost - it is high in comparision to a studio picture DVD which is mass produced and costs pennies per DVD to make. The cost of this particular DVD compared to any truly independant or specialty DVD is not expensive though . In fact it is actually quite low (the fact that you get an autographed pic and / or poster with it makes it an even better deal) I would venture that they aren't making hardly any money from this. Please do not compare the cost of a dvd/cd or videotape from an independant artist to the price of running out and getting the new X-Man dvd etc - it is not comparable.



Independant artists work there asses off to first off all make the product and then if that doesn't bankrupt them - to actually market and distribute the piece is even more expensive. To say its easy to go out and make a trailer is not fair. It's not. There is editing time and cost plus her time, plus an editor, plus renting an edit suite, plus +++++.



Sorry for the rant but be fair - she's putting this movie out and offering an amazing deal. Check out other independant film costs and compare and see how 'cheaply' she is offering her DVD. I dare say she should have sold it for more, but I'm sure she was thinking about her fans who wanted to see this and lowered the price she should have charged.

[unionjill30]

Speaking more as a fan of film than a fan of Amber, I'd say that outside the realm of Amber fans (which is a huge area), people are probably going to need convincing to buy this movie. It's like going to see a film in a theatre. You don't just go see something because it has a cool title or a certain person directed it (at least I don't, that is). You go see it because you've heard good things about it or maybe you've seen a trailer that showed great things and a potentially good storyline.



I think it's more important that non-Amber fans buy the movie to show how good it is. It's a sign of real success when someone who isn't a fan of your work or has no idea about things you've done sees one of your projects and deems it worthy of purchasing.



I personally like the idea of Benson Entertainment potentially putting up some clips or a trailer online to show the quality of the film. The first thing I thought of when I heard it was shot on digital was, "Is it going to be a good film visually?" The visual is a big thing for me. I'm really interested in the realm of digital filmmaking, but I know that right now it's not as good as film. Sometimes it's near film quality because technology is really coming along, but it's still a sketchy territory to get into and could turn out not-so-good.



Chance was fairly good visually considering the medium, and I think people would like to see that before buying the movie. I've seen better work on digital (for example, Neverland which screened at this years Sidewalk), but I've also seen far worse.



I think more people outside the world of Amber Benson fandom should see at least a small bit of this movie. Of course, that's just my personal agenda with wanting to push film shot digitally as well as helping an independent filmmaker become successful. If it was me (which it totally isn't, but not really the point), I'd compile some sort of trailer online and advertise the hell out of it. It's not me though, so I really have no say in what goes on over at Benson Entertainment.



Basically I think I'm trying to say this: It's not the people who have already bought the movie that are the most important at this point, but instead, it's the people that could potentially buy it in the future that are most important.



For all those out there like me experimenting with digital video, I think Chance is a good example of one of the better projects. The word needs to get out somehow to the broader community.



Sarah

I've got an electric guitar. I play my stupid songs. I write these stupid words, and I love every one. If I went back some place I know that life was perfect like a TV show then 1993 is where I’d go cause Galaga was my only fight and it was cool to ride my bike we’d sneak out to cough on cigarettes and break it down with old cassettes up in my room it felt so safe where Kurt and Billy never looked at me strange.

[emma peel]

unionjill30, I mean no disrepect, but I don't understand the

"people are probably going to need convincing to buy this movie."

Personally, I buy what I am interested in, and no tries to get me to do otherwise.

I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, I just don't understand why people outside of the Amberfans are even interested in Chance on DVD or VHS one way or the other.

I think that Amber and her Mom are just trying to make the film accessible to Amber's fans, most of whom would never be able to see the film otherwise.

Besides, everyone will probably be having Chance viewing parties, and friends will invite their friends who will invite their friends, and everyone will see how wonderful the film is.

Janice

[unionjill30]

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I just don't understand why people outside of the Amberfans are even interested in Chance on DVD or VHS one way or the other.

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People outside the Amber fans are going to be interested if they're interested in independent film of digital film or anything of that nature. I don't think the sole purpose of this release was just for the fans of Amber. It may have been a big push, but it wasn't the only reason. Anyone who has seen the film at any of its screenings and enjoyed it is probably going to be interested or anyone who has heard good things about it is going to be interested.



Word of mouth by fans and "viewing parties" is a small help, but it's by no means the best way to get the word out about the movie. Of course that doesn't stop me from mentioning it in small groups or bringing it up tomorrow night at the Cardinal Filmworks meeting as a potential movie to view as a group, but those are just small numbers. I just think it's nice when independent films broaden their fan bases. That's really all I'm saying.



Sarah

I've got an electric guitar. I play my stupid songs. I write these stupid words, and I love every one. If I went back some place I know that life was perfect like a TV show then 1993 is where I’d go cause Galaga was my only fight and it was cool to ride my bike we’d sneak out to cough on cigarettes and break it down with old cassettes up in my room it felt so safe where Kurt and Billy never looked at me strange.

[xita]

I think there is a big difference between a trailer and fans ripping this thing and putting it online. Bits of the movie have been available through official circles for a while. While it would be nice to have a trailer, it does cost money and I wouldn't want to put Benson Entertainment in that position.



There is another point to make, I certainly don't think Amber put this film out there on her own to make money off it. She tried selling it through official means, but it didn't work out. I am 100% certain that it's availability on DVD now has EVERYTHING to do with making it available for fans who wouldn't have otherwise seen it. This is not a money making scheme, in fact it could lose money. The fear in making random clips online is not that strangers will become interested, I don't think that's the case. These clips would be available through unofficial means for fans who know exactly what they are looking for. That means that people who would otherwise buy it, don't feel like it and don't buy it. These aren't necessarily all Amber fans as there are other people in this movie.



I've been on the poor side, the really poor side, many times in my life. And, I know from experience that if you really want something you save up your pennies and get it. So if a starving college student wanted it, they could get it. Amber has tried to make this movie available to her fans, at her own expense, it is not fair to make this hard on her because we don't want to spend the money for it.



As far as making a small film shot on digital available to more people, that's a big issue, bigger than Amber. If I understand carefully, Amber could not make this film available through any official means and I believe that includes putting the whole thing online at ifilm or something. This was the only way we could see it, Amber sells pictures and posters and gives away a dvd. This was done as a favor to her fans. Her fans should respect her wishes and not distribute the clips. If we can't respect that we'll lose out if this situation ever presents itself again.

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[eccentrictulip]

very well said xita, thank you.

~*I would like to be the air that inhabits your body for one moment

only. I would like to be that unnoticed and that necessary*~ Margaret

Atwood

[emma peel]

Thank you, xita.

Janice

[unionjill30]

Maybe I misunderstood the way the Chance website said the movie would be made available to fans and movie buffs. And maybe I just assumed other people besides Amber fans checked out the news at the Sidewalk site when I read that it was available on DVD and VHS. I could be wrong. It's been known to happen on several occassions.



Anyway, getting a digital film out to more people doesn't necessarily mean any sort of official release. The way the film is being made available right now is good enough. It's the knowledge of the availability that I'm saying needs to be made widespread. And yes, the issue of small, digital films is much bigger than Chance or Amber, but they're still pieces of the bigger picture and significant. It's a huge picture made up of tiny pieces including films like Chance; Neverland; A Game of Chess; The Lizard King, The Mouse, And The Elevator; and tons of other small projects. Maybe a lot of people don't care about that picture, but it's something I care about. My whole point is just that Chance could help progress the digital industry slightly.



I'd also like to say something about Chance not being released for the purpose of making money. I don't think it is about making money. Something like this should never be about money. It's about art and sharing a part of yourself with the world. I can't speak for Amber Benson or any of the people involved with Chance, but from my own personal stand point, film just isn't about money or fans or any of that. It's a much bigger thing. And that really has no relevance to anything, but I just felt like saying it.



If people disagree with me, then that's just how it is. I can't help that. It's all about perspective. Some people see Chance on DVD as a gift to the fans. I see it as a gift to everyone as art. See it how you want to see it. I won't try to change anyone's opinions.



Sarah

I've got an electric guitar. I play my stupid songs. I write these stupid words, and I love every one. If I went back some place I know that life was perfect like a TV show then 1993 is where I’d go cause Galaga was my only fight and it was cool to ride my bike we’d sneak out to cough on cigarettes and break it down with old cassettes up in my room it felt so safe where Kurt and Billy never looked at me strange.

[helpful information perha]

seen it before but got my tape today and have to say the quality is great! loved it even more second time around!



amber has noted that if not for the fan support ($) she got - she couldn't have made her film - so have to give major kudos to amber for finding a way to get this film out to the fans who got her there!



well done amber!

[kbk3022]

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How does it cost money? Didn't Amber say she originally did some editing on her home computer? It was shot in digital. I think anyone could make at the very least a simple trailer for the movie. I mean, anyone who has the dvd now could do it. Afterall, xita you cut up Buffy episodes and post them online, does that cost you anything to do?

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I think that probably 95% of the people who have purchased the photo/and or poster thereby getting a free copy of Chance don't need any convincing at all.

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Oh... I disagree with you on that point, emma peel. I'd be willing to bet 100% of the people who've purchased it don't need convincing. Heh.

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kbk3022 from what I understand there is no distribution deal because of 'contract' issues and such

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But these contract issues and such don't stop her from being able to show it at festivals and conventions. Or, as stated in an interview with bowieinberlin, taking the movie on the road or around to colleges so that more people can see it. This would by far get the word out about her movie, and take it away from just the Amber fans, or just the Buffy circles. Of course, this is all considering she wants actual people who aren't her fans to see the movie.



Thank you, Kasey.

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