What have W/T meant to you?

[urnofosiris]

Epicurus, Puff, Slayer747, wonderful posts.

I hate to think how many people will *not* have the opportunity to feel better about themselves because of Willow and Tara, seeing as what has happened now. Willow and Tara could have continued to influence people for the better literally forever. Not anymore, I might be able to *not* accept this outcome and still enjoy WT as they were, and for me always will be, alive and happy, but if you have never seen them before and know beforehand how it will end, how in the world can they give the same hope they have given to us? They mean so much to us, but they could have meant so much to people who might have tuned in years from now in other countries, or while watching reruns.

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"I am giving you what you need, not what you want"
-The perfect excuse to be an asshole

[slayer747]

i do get that... like here in RP, we have super delayed telecast, and me being the spoiler whore, i knew beforehand that tara will die, but as much as a spoiler whore i also know that i (still) want to see their relationship no matter what happened/happens... i just hope that people won't give up easily upon reading the spoilers... geez, i'm not sure if i'm saying things here that make sense...

"Sometimes things happen between people that you don't really expect. And sometimes the things that are important are the ones that seem the weirdest or the most wrong, and those are the ones that change your life." - Jessie "Once and Again"

[judea]

great question - willow and tara were the only two reasons i started watching buffy. before i saw the exchanges between them, the intimacy and attraction which leapt off the screen, btvs was just another show.

i dun post much but w/t also brought me to this board which i come in almost everyday to read shared thoughts from intelligent, sensitive and incredibly courageous strangers ( strangers still as i have never attempted to introduce myself properly, like most polite people do..) from all over the world. it gives me hope..thank you all for that...

yes, it is just a tv show. means nothing. like hell. this tv show gave me the strength to look at my love and tell her i love her -and then i asked her; what do we do now? hehe..makes me giggle still....yup thats how it happened, without willow and tara, i would not have had risked a wonderful friendship for a stab at love. and i am in love and with love, its an amazing gift. i treasure that w/t relationship, i treasure the one i get to have.

who knew tv had this much influence?

love is love - thats all there is to it...

[Lonewolf22]

I think that I answered in here already, but I don't remember, but in case I didn't. What they meant to me? They meant and still mean everything to me, I absolutely hate what happened this season. A better answer to that question is answered by the country group Lonestar and their song "Not A Day Goes By".



Not A Day Goes By



Got a picture of you I carry in my heart

Close my eyes to see it when the world gets dark

Got a memory of you I carry in my soul

I wrap it close around me when the nights get cold

If you asked me how I'm doin' I'd say just fine

But the truth is baby, if you could read my mind



Not a day goes by that I don't think of you

After all this time you're still with me it's true

Somehow you remain locked so deep inside

Baby, baby, oh baby, not a day goes by



I still wait for the phone in the middle of the night

Thinkin' you might call me if your dreams don't turn out right

And it still amazes me that I lie here in the dark

Wishin' you were next to me, your head against my heart

If you asked me how I'm doing I'd say just fine

But the truth is baby, if you could read my mind



Not a day goes by that I don't think of you

After all this time you're still with me it's true

Somehow you remain locked so deep inside

Baby, baby, oh baby, not a day goes by



Minutes turn to hours, and the hours to days

Seems it's been forever that I've felt this way



Not a day goes by that I don't think of you

After all this time you're still with me it's true

Somehow you remain locked so deep inside

Baby, baby, oh baby, not a day goes by





Lonewolf

[slayer747]

Quote:

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love is love - thats all there is to it...

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the more i hear/read stuff like this, i feel better and better. trust w/t to provide us with such hopes... darn, i miss them...

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"Sometimes things happen between people that you don't really expect. And sometimes the things that are important are the ones that seem the weirdest or the most wrong, and those are the ones that change your life." - Jessie "Once and Again"

[GiftofAmber]

When they killed Tara, they didn't just kill Tara. They killed me too.



I saw Willow and Tara, and I thought maybe it would be ok, just maybe, to be me. That maybe being different wasn't the end of the world. That maybe someday the world would accept me, and on a deeper level, allow me to accept myself.



But Tara died. So now I have to fight for her and for myself all over again.

[xita]

lonewolf very fitting.



judea, what a wonderful post. It isn't just a show and to you it means more than any words can measure. That's wonderful.

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"Oooh Xita!" - Amber Benson

[Lonewolf22]

Xita: Thank you, it seems like the most appropriate song for Willow and Tara, cause they didn't just kill Tara they killed Willow and Tara too. I wish that I could just wake up from this nightmare but that wish doesn't come true and it probably never will. I would give anything in this life to have that wish come true.



Lonewolf

[slayer747]

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When they killed Tara, they didn't just kill Tara. They killed me too.

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and they also silenced a certain community of people whose only hope was to find solace in network tv, so that they could somehow escape the harsh realities of life.

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"Sometimes things happen between people that you don't really expect. And sometimes the things that are important are the ones that seem the weirdest or the most wrong, and those are the ones that change your life." - Jessie "Once and Again"

[judea]

good day to all..its 1600hrs in the afternoon here where i am...



to slayer747 - i know what you mean, i miss them but i get to come into this board and take comfort in like-minded people who 'get' what i am thinking and feeling.

sincerely hope you do feel better.....



xita - thank you for providing this sanctuary. kindly convey my thanks to the moderators too...



ok back to the board!

[Rainbow wren]

Willow and tara means a lot of things to me.. it means that i have hope ....even though tara has been killed off by the b******s at mutant enemy, i have hope that some day i will find true pure lesbian wiccan love like willow and tara had. When i came out as gay, i thought i would be alone...luckily this hasn't happened i have had many grrl's grace the presece of my life... but never to the exgtent that will and tara have....



i also love the fact that they are wiccans, it gives me courage to stand up and say to ppl like my mother... see wiccans are even on television.... .



I love the fact that they have been such a positive influence on the world of tv... making 2 alternate lifestyles accessible to the masses.



Wren

I'm a breast girl, but then again you already knew that - Willow to tara (supposedly about the fried chicken LOL)

[Underneathherclothes]

I was just thinking about this the other day.



When Willow started talking (not doing yet) Wicca I thought what's that and I looked it up on the internet. I found a religion that was me, my every thought and feeling and it felt so right. I gone looking for a dictionary definition but from the moment I read the Wiccan Rede I found a life changing experience.



Then Willow found and I thought it was cute, but being straight I never thought of it relating to myself. I don't know what happened, maybe Wicca made me more open and aware of who I am, or maybe I just became myself., but one day I found myself lusting after Tara. Then, I wanted to be with someone just like her, or someone that made me feel like that. But i still was adament I was straight.



Then I went to university and fell in love with a girl. Looking at Tara and Willow helped make sense of my life, and I love it, I love me, just the way I am.



I may be single again now (looking for my Tara!) but I will always know that Willow and Tara have given me the strength to smile.



Bryonyxxxxx

[katlurkin]

I lurk more then post, but I thought I’d reply here.



The Tara/Willow relationship felt normal. A good-healthy-normal. Something beautiful that really could happen. Sound odds to call it that when they’re witches and have magical abilities and fight monsters, but that’s how it struck me. There was caring, love, concern and chemistry. There were issues and problems, but that’s normal, something they worked through together. I also liked both of the characters, individually not just as a couple. It was one of the few healthy relationships on television. The fact that this beautiful healthy relationship was between two women . . . wow.



Aside from the lesbian cliché. Killing Tara also reinforces the template, no relationship can last, and be happy.

1. So if you’re hetero, you have a small chance of having a lasting loving relationship.

2. If you’re a lesbian, you have no chance of having a lasting loving relationship.



Consciously I know this isn’t true, but the message is there . . . . . .



Kat

[LostInEcstasy]

I was actually thinking about this the other day, so I thought I'd check and see if this kind of thread existed... and lo and behold here it is.



Anyway, I got thinking about what W/T mean to me while I was torturing myself by watching Tabula Rasa again. When the episode first aired it was one of my favourite. The idea that Willow and Tara would still love each other, even when they couldn't remember who they were, was just so moving. And I cried when Tara left but I believed in my heart that they would ultimately get back together. I mean, how could they not? They're soulmates. I really thought that them temporarily breaking up was as bad as it could get. Of course, that was before Tara was shot through the heart. How naive was I?



Ok, must stop ranting and get to the point. The point is, I started thinking, what was the purpose of Willow and Tara existing at all? Now when ever I watch Buffy, my favourite show since it first aired, I am in physical pain. I almost found myself wishing that they had never been together.



But then I remembered how I used to feel about the possibility of being gay. I felt hopeless, like life wasn't worth living if I had to be gay. I felt disgusting and worthless. And then Willow found Tara. Suddenly, being gay felt ok. In fact, for the first time I actually felt lucky. Willow and Tara's love was so pure, so amazing - far more true than any relationship I'd ever seen on tv. And they were lesbians!!!



So I am grateful for Willow and Tara. Although it breaks my heart that Tara's been taken away from me, from all of us, I am still thankful that she existed for as long as she did. I'm not sure that I would have ever come to terms with my sexuality if not for their relationship. It makes me want to cry when I think about how many more people they could have helped, if they'd just been given more time.



So what did W/T mean to me? They meant a lot of things, but more than anything, they meant that I could finally accept myself, lesbian and all.

[GracefulVictory]

hmmmm.... I've thought about this a lot and in the end W/T means hope. I've always been a hopeless romantic. With W/T, I'm more HOPEFUL. This board is the closest thing that I've come to being OUT. It's all good, I'm working on it. I've known about my preference for as long as I remember. I also knew that preference,even as a kid, wasn't accepted by the masses. It helped that my family has always been very loving, that includes a huge extended family. It scares me, the thought of coming out. But then again, it almost feels like it wouldn't be the end of the world. That's the struggle I go through, day in and day out.



With Willow and Tara, I'm truly more HOPEFUL. Not just for myself, but for everyone. Just think without W/T, this board wouldn't be here. And the chain of events would have never been.



Just like in Buffydom, we live in a freaky world with monsters all around. But just like the kitten board, W/T gives me hope.



Another step closer to a better world...hmmmmm

[Gatito Grande]

I came over to this forum in search of a thread, in order to make a timely comment. In this time of so much breaking news--- Sodomy decision, backlash, gay marriage, backlash, first gay Episcopal bishop, backlash---I'm just really missing Willow and Tara. I know, of course, that they live forever here (and TV shows don't last forever under the best case scenario, of which we experienced the opposite), but when I see our lives reduced to abstractions, to "issues", it just would be really nice, to have percolating in the heads of the chattering classes, the ever-present image of Willow and Tara. Because while programs like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" are fun or, like Tipping the Velvet break new ground for grrl-on-grrl action (so I'm told---only got the edited Yank version!), and Real Life partners like Bishop Gene Robinson and Mark Andrew wear the public face of bravery, nothing has told the story of our lives, our loves, like this televised couple.





The best kind of fiction is Always Realer than Real, Truer than True, and that's what we had (every week) in Willow and Tara. In ways both profound and silly, passionate and friendly, magical and "normal", they modeled the kind of love that everyone, LGB or Straight, could dream of for themselves, or wish for everyone else.



You could point to them : Sodomy? "Legalize Willow and Tara!" Gay-positive churches/synagogues? "A faith-community that welcomes Willow and Tara!" Gay marriage? "Here come the brides: Willow and Tara!" Their public presence made it safer (chic-er, saintlier, sexier, smarter) to be who we are, and to love who we love.



Spankin' new appearances, together, on the smallscreen: I miss them. I always will.



GG We Kittens will always remember; I just wish everyone else would, too. Out

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 8/8/03 11:02 pm

[TaraBaby77]

Okay, I know it has been a while since this thread has been looked at or replied to. I found it and wanted to shine some new light to it. The question of what Willow and Tara mean to me, that is kinda the whole reason why I love and support this board. Willow and Tara are something that the television world, at first, couldn't comprehend. I'm not going to lie, I didn't understand why they where so big, in the terms of attention. Then, it hit me. True love. Not that, I love my computer or I love my Volvo. It's the love that makes you hurt, happy, sad, giddy, cry, smile... The list can go on and on. It's that kind of love that when it's not there, the world seems to stop, possibly starts going backwards, . Willow and Tara are true and real. They never faked there feelings for each other, nor did they put on a show. I'm feeling like I am starting a Willow-babble session, heehee.



Now, I can't get enough of them. They are something to be treasured. Made of gold and put out front of some state or country capital. Even possibly a holiday after them. Okay, that's a stretch. To sum it up, Willow and Tara's love for each other was, is, and always will be, nothing more than pure, true, and honest. That's my opinion. =)

Aaron

'TaraBaby77'

"It's about two people, regardless of sex, who love each other and treat each other with compassion and respect."

Edited by: TaraBaby77 at: 11/30/03 5:06 pm

[Yelowsub]

I keep on seeing this thread and I always want to write something in it...but the truth is I can't really put into words all that they have done for me. So here's just a short list....



They showed me a real relationship between two women that wasn't just about two chicks making out, they showed me that I wasn't alone, I feel safer now, I feel more sure of myself and more confident, I can smile more, they gave me an online communtiy where I can be myself even when I live in a small close minded town, they gave me more things than I could ever list.



And most importantly...they showed me that's it's okay.

"Trying to talk about love is like trying to dance about architecture."

Edited by: Yelowsub  at: 12/16/03 2:22 pm

[Mmmm Amberhand]

These characters of and were the best thing on TV in my opinion, Ally and Amber are incredibly talented actors who gave their TV relationship such a credence of authenticity... Just excellent..

I fell in love with them, as many of you did. They have warmed my heart and some how helped me cope with my own realities..(I have faced some devastating things in my personal life recently and have found solace here, for this im glad and grateful)





Can we just skip it... Can you just be kissing me now....

[fidds]

i think that when i was about 11 or 12, i started to realize i liked girls, and that made me scared cuz i was different, but when i saw willow and tara as a gay couple on TV, it made me feel more comfortable about myself and made me realize that it was ok -and then i found this site, and i felt even more comfortable with myself - this site has helped me alot



*hannah*

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I just needed someone to talk to, you were just too busy with yourself, you were never there for me to express how i felt ,i just stuffed it down- *STAIND -FADE*

[Stroke of Luck]

I guess i knew that i am bi at around 11-12, but i tryed to push it away, i was scared and i never wanted to be different. But than i met my first bf (what a huge mistake ) i thought i was in love, but now i know, that i wasnt. After he left me, i started to watch Buffy and guess what?! It was the time when W&T got together...what a luck And that was the time, that i admit to myself, that i like girls too. I told my friends about it and than i found this great board. And i am really happy, because i met the most wonderful girl on this board. She´s my GF now and i just can say, that i am really lucky, that i saw W&T at that time. They really saved me and helped me alot. Nearly my whole family knows that i love that girl. And i can say, shes the one...my soulmate (geez this is mushy lol)



I love you Anat



Willow and Tara are a special part of my life and i will never forget them. They are locked in my heard and i will never let them out



Cu

SoL/Natti

This is a duet, Amber! You need to sing!"- Tony

Edited by: Stroke of Luck at: 12/23/03 5:02 am

[TaraBaby77]

Stroke of Luck -



WOW (happy tears), I have read some comments and feedback on here that have been touching. But, that almost had me in tears. That is the kind of love that is AWESOME!!! Anyhoo, I just wanted to say that beautiful and very touching. =)

Aaron

'TaraBaby77'

[niftybottle]

Willow and Tara helped me realize and accept that I was a lesbian. They were a sweet couple and proved that being gay wasn't a bad thing.

[The girl who talks but do]

niftybottle - same for me...i had more problems understanding myself than most other people did...i guess thats just the way it goes. although, i did have a year before Tara arrived thinking there was something really wrong with me...ah happy days

love'n'hugs

cath

I like the quiet.

[g2baleopard]

God I love WAT so much and I would love a chat buddy who does too! My screen name for yahoo and aim is g2baleopard!!

Edited by: Warduke at: 11/17/04 7:45 pm

[TaraFan90]

Willow and Tara meant and still mean alot to me. It showed me that therez nothing wrong with being gayish, it helped me accept the fact that i'm Bi...their love was great, it gave me hopes of finding my soulmate because that's what they were, soulmates.

[WitchFu]

I should start with some history. Sorry if this is too long...

My father's a christian pastor with all of the old influences and ideals.

My mother's father is of the same beliefs, and lived next door to us.

Needless to say that when I started having dreams about a blond girl I had never seen before, but more than anything wanted to know (and then some), I felt like I was doing something wrong. I was five.

When I met the girl of my dreams (quite literally) at 12, the feelings got even more complicated. I love my family, and I've always gone along with their beliefs, but I started to question them. When I started to blush when she looked at me, shook uncontrollably when she spoke with me for extended periods of time, and found myself spacing out while looking in her general direction with just the tiniest hint of drool at the corner of my mouth, I knew that I couldn't avoid my feelings. But avoid I did.

I started in on Buffy after my junior year. Everyone said the show was ridiculously stupid, so for some unknown reason, when I saw that it was on one night, I tried it on for size. It was Seeing Red, and I only saw the first ten seconds. Enough to see that I needed to clean under the couch. After I picked myself up off of the floor and re-hinged my jaw, I quickly turned it off. I thought about it all of the time during that summer. The seventh season started with the "Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and I almost threw up when I saw the bullet go through her chest like that...

I had begun to watch the reruns in as much secrecy as I could afford. I hardly had the chance to see all that many, but I was almost up on the story, because, well I read the scripts... But I had only gotten up to mid-fourth before I saw that horrible sight, and I could've sworn my chest hurt all night.

At any rate, I loved the dynamics of their relationship, I didn't think it dirty or disgraceful and I didn't see any reason for them to be condemned to hell for loving another person. So tentatively, I asked her out, and the surprise of my life: she said yes!

I owe a lot of my gusto to them, and I'm glad that such a wonderful story aired to so many people.

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