Skip to content


PopMatters marches on...

DO NOT POST - BACKUP IN PROGRESS

PopMatters marches on...

Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:33 pm

PopMatters.com is rapidly becoming my favorite online 'zine. :grin

Todd R. Ramlow, author of "I killed Tara": Desire and Death on Buffy, has written a new piece, which is partially a response to Andrew Gilstrap's Death and the Single Girl: Buffy Grows Up and partially a response to the reader mail he's received on the subject. Here it is:

[quote:0563de0648][b:0563de0648][i:0563de0648]Quote:[/i:0563de0648][/b:0563de0648]
Ceci n'est ce pas une lesbianne

by Todd R. Ramlow
PopMatters Film and TV Critic

A famous painting by Rene Magritte is a realistic depiction of a tobacco pipe with a declarative sentence written underneath: "Ceci n'est ce pas une pipe." ("This is not a pipe.";) Magritte's title for this painting? "The Betrayal of Images." Following a long philosophical tradition of investigating the status and politics of representation and the real, Magritte's pipe is not a pipe, but a painting of a pipe. And the inscription encourages us to understand the painting as a critique of dominant "ways of seeing," the constitution of "high" versus "low" art, and the social values and political import of art.

Recently, I have experienced a reminder of just how dominant ideologies promote certain understandings over all others in various responses to my interrogation of lesbian desire and representation in the sixth season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Several were angry accusations that I had gotten it all wrong, that I was searching for a tempest in a teapot. Among these, two points came up repeatedly: first, that I read too deeply into what is "just" popular entertainment, that not everything is politically motivated; and second, that my understanding of how BVS uses witchcraft as a trope for lesbian desire was a load of hogwash, even if some admit the show might have deployed such metaphors at the start of Willow and Tara's relationship.

To the first, I have never understood the argument that popular culture is "just" entertainment or ephemera. It is manifestly much more than that and does real cultural work. Certainly politicians, critics, and scholars around the world have found in U.S. popular cultural products (whether Hollywood films, television, McDonald's hamburgers, or Coca-Cola) the epitome of neo-colonial exploitation and cultural dominance. Furthermore, popular culture reflects and helps to reproduce contemporary zeitgeists; this is how pop culture functions as an apparatus of dominant ideology. The refusal to consider any social or political import to popular culture demonstrates how ideology functions through media to promote certain social and cultural values as "natural," and to make particular political investments and disseminations transparent.

As to the rejection of my understanding of the connection between lesbianism and witchcraft on Buffy, I have never said that BVS's creator or writers made a conscious (and consciously homophobic) decision to directly cast lesbianism as social pathology and physical addiction. On the contrary, I am quite sure that those involved in season six had no such intentions, and probably weren't even aware of the implications of what they were presenting in the changing relationship of Willow and Tara. Instead, the fact that the show wraps up the Willow-Tara story arc in addiction and death only proves to me exactly how dominant ideologies (in this case homophobia and intolerance) function on the unconscious level, for readers as well as creators.

Several writers tell me that witchcraft on BVS has nothing to do with lesbianism, that they constitute parallel, not intersecting plot points. How they could be parallel when the two primary witches and lesbians on the show are the same two characters, and who happen to be deeply involved with one another is beyond me. This denial has sought to keep the realm of fantasy free from political and social struggle, despite the fact that popular cultural representations of the monstrous have always been allegories for other crises.

Cultural theorists like Jeffrey Cohen, in Monster Theory: Reading Culture, have ably demonstrated how in the history of the Western imagination to talk about or to represent monsters, vampires, witches and demons has always been to talk about the boundaries of social and political normativity. Is Frankenstein "just" about a reanimated-monster? Aren't Medieval Saracen demons, depicted in much Western religious art, about the perceived threat of Islamic culture and anxieties over Christian orthodoxy? Most often, as in the continuing case of vampires, monstrous figures are allegories for sexual excess and border crossings of all sorts. But apparently witchcraft is just witchcraft, and popular entertainment is just that.

In his rebuttal to my piece, Andrew Gilstrap suggests, "The sixth season of Buffy ended with pure, uncut sorrow. For one night, Willow became pure vengeance, and it had nothing to do with magic addiction, and it had nothing to do with lesbianism."

If this is the case, what motivates her vengeance? Mr. Gilstrap declares my understanding of the regressive changes in the show's previously very progressive representation of queer desire and identity as "a fundamental misreading of what was happening." His defense of the past season is articulate and compelling. Nevertheless, in response, I would recall Magritte: images can betray; images often offer up one ideologically inflected meaning on the surface and, at the same time, promote other (even contradictory) social messages on unconscious and other levels. While, as many writers have reminded me, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, more often, a pipe isn't a pipe.

18 June 2002
[/quote:0563de0648]

Personally, I'm thrilled that someone is carrying on the discussion of this issue, especially since they started it and have continued it without much prompting from us. Maybe others in the media will catch on as well. We can hope...
BBOvenGuy
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby WebWarlock » Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:34 pm

This is excellent.
And the fact that Todd is NOT one of us makes this all the better.

We are not just shouting in the dark here, others see our point of view and they agree.

I hope ME is paying attention to this. Thier BIG IDEA has blown up in their face.

Warlock.
WebWarlock
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby AutumnT » Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:28 pm

I gotta say this Todd guy rocks. I think I might want the boys now. ;) OK, I'm over that, but I still think he rocks.
AutumnT
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby Bobos Mom » Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:34 pm

Thank you for posting this reply, and the original pieces it refers to.

What's thrilling to me is that the topic's even up for debate.

ME really did mess up with this one, especially after being held up by the new wave of cultural historians as an example of post modern feminist representation in television. Let the debate continue...both sides are interesting. Our side is right, of course. But it was good to see what Joss' apologists were saying....and how very off target they are.
Bobos Mom
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby helpful information perha » Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:37 pm

most excellent, he has adeptly articulated what I have been thinking!

1) pop culture dictates the social conscience of a society

2) and giving whedon the benifit of the doubt, one could then conclude that the bias towards homosexuals is so deeply engrained in our culture that whedons folly seemed but natural course to him not reiteration of a sick cliche

however given the knowledge of/comments on the cliche by his staff, whedons lies to the public regarding tara and what should have been obvious to any writing team thinking critically about the themes/story arcs/metaphores they are planning to present, I find it hard to give whedon a pass on all things W/T

a third generation HW writer with a film degree and course work in fem studies should at the very least have seen the implications of going from magic = lesb love and spells = lesb sex to magic = evil addiction and spells = crack metaphors. Given his declaration of being in on the planning and story breaking sessions, I find it hard to believe that even if he graduated college ignorant of the cliche that his staff who were not wouldn't have discussed it in relation to tara's death at the story meetings, and the cliche aside, well, snuff is snuff, not the thing you peddle to a tween/teen target demographic even as you plan your shows transformation back to a teen spin off and a kiddie cartoon




oh and has anyone sent the link for this article to that slayage meta web page for buffy news ?
helpful information perha
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby relativegirl » Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:42 pm

I am so impressed and elated to read this piece. Thank you so very much Bob for posting it, b/c otherwise I never would have known about it.

Todd's point about the conscious/unconscious may go a long way to explaining the thick-headedness we have heard from the ME writers and producers on this issue. If they consciously didn't believe that what they were doing would have such catastrophic results, and if they never suspected they would be attacked, at least in the ways in which they are being attacked, it helps explain their comments on Tuesday at the Buffy Behind the Scenes Emmy thing and their earlier comments. They don't remember having any conscious homophobic intentions when they plotted out the story, so they rebel at the suggestion that their actions resulted in a stereotypical lesbian cliche that perpetuates negative images of lesbians.

Sometimes it's hard for me to believe ME could have been so blind to what is so apparent to me. But these are the same people who (IMO) genuinely thought putting Amber in the credits for one episode would be "nice" instead of the insult we perceived it to be.
relativegirl
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:56 pm

Exactly. This article explains both Mutant Enemy's "We didn't mean it" attitude and why that attitude doesn't cut it.

Time for another round of forwarding articles, to UPN, Mutant Enemy, FOX, etc...? :devil

Oh, and be sure to write encouraging things to PopMatters, too. It's amazing that they're still on top of this story when it's been almost a month since the season ended. :D
BBOvenGuy
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby Zahir al Daoud » Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:43 pm

Thanks for the link, Bob. I'm going to check this out. The style is a tad academic (what you've quoted anyway) but that's just me.

Since I'm one of those who gives Joss Whedon & ME the benefit of the doubt as to what they thought they were doing ([i:ea592c4d3c]although not lying to the fans--that was just wrong[/i:ea592c4d3c]), methinks this piece makes an excellent point. Namely, stereotypes are far more insidious than most people assume, even those who know better. Avoiding them is sometimes very tricky indeed. It can require effort--effort that most certainly should be put forth. One of [i:ea592c4d3c]Buffy[/i:ea592c4d3c]'s strengths has been how it turned those upside down--The blonde teenaged girl from whom demons flee in terror for a start. Yet the same people who created the first five years of the show also gave us the season that just ended. I can't say this season hasn't had some gems in it ("One More With Feeling" and "Tabula Rosa" were brilliant, imo--while the reconciliation of Willow and Tara was simply wonderous), by season's end it had gotten disjointed. I don't know the reason--maybe because Joss was busy making [i:ea592c4d3c]Firefly[/i:ea592c4d3c], or maybe he just slipped his creative gears. Whatever. More important is defining what went wrong, rather than precisely why. Hopefully Joss Whedon and company will learn from their mistake (whether they actually admit it or not). Even more wonderful would be for other producers/writers to grow in awareness. That way, they won't make the same errors.
Zahir al Daoud
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby Indygo » Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:19 pm

Gotta agree with Bobos mom at this point - the fact that the debate has continued is a blessing in itself, and the debate speaks on so many levels.

I mean, how many times have you been told in your lives that it is "just a TV show" or "just a movie"? It's particularly interesting to see a writer who doesn't speak down to people, who find this development disturbing. He doesn't take this "well, it was pretty wrong, and it has these implications, but after all it is just a TV show" approach. I've been involved in film and TV academia for 8 years now and it never ceases to amaze me how many times popular culture academics face the "it's just a TV show" and "you're reading too much into this" argument.

Popular culture is powerful. There are people out there who are cheering now because the witch is dead, or evil, or the lesbians got what was coming to them. On a show like BtVS where so much is allegory, so many things are read on different levels and have different meanings to different people, you cannot simply assume that in this case everything is suddenly allowed to be black and white. Of course people are going to analyse and dissect your text/show. Of course people are going to question what on earth the point of this latest development is.

As Todd says, so much of this show is about sexual and moral transgression. Joss Whedon et al obviously just didn't think through the message they were sending thoroughly enough.

Indygo
Indygo
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby nemesystah » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:29 am

I think the key point here is that [i:e13ce83cf7] representation and reality are inseparable.[/i:e13ce83cf7] Which is why so much 20th century art focuses on [i:e13ce83cf7] foregrounding[/i:e13ce83cf7] (i.e. making apparent) this relationship.

The image of a pipe is not a pipe, and, to quote Alford Korzybski, the map is not the territory. But the purpose of a map is to make manifest, and seemingly "natural," the boundaries that humans have imposed upon the boundryless earth.

As someone whose "homeland" is invariably omitted from the map of humanity, or at the very least sorely misrepresented (ancient cartographers used to write "here be monsters" on the areas outside the boarders of their known lands), I feel compelled to questions both the actions and the motivations of the map makers.
nemesystah
 


PopMatters marches on...

Postby Dave V » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:30 am

Thanks for the post Bob. I have e-mailed Mr. Ramlow with my compliments.
Dave V
 


Return to Board index

Return to Other Backup

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests


Powered by phpBB The phpBB Group © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007
Style based on a Cosa Nostra Design