Question about New Moon Rising

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Ive asked this before, but it seems the question somehow got lost. Ive seen NMR a couple of times now, and I love the episode, especially the scene when Tara and Willow talk in Taras dorm room after Tara had met Oz in Willows room. Just one thing that I would like to hear your opinion on: Why is Tara wearing Willows sweater after that talk, when she meets Oz? Does that imply that there was something more going on between Willow & Tara then just hugging and crying in each others arms??

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Joss is the devil himself. Just remember that when ever things like this come up. He wants us to use our imagination. He wants us to think something went on...he wants us to wrack our brains out until it finally drives us crazy and we can't think about anything anymore...sorry. I'm back now.
This has been brought up before. There was a bunch of suggestions that were really good and made sense.

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Well Willow could have left the sweater at Tara's at some point and then after they talked and cried and stuff and Willow left Tara could have found it and decided to wear it.

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Willow was wearing the sweater throughout the episode until the scene where she went to Tara's room, after which Tara had it on. (It's a cute sweater . . . I like it. Just not with that orange shirt Willow had on underneath it.)

Whatever went on in that room before Tara had her run-in with Oz in the hallway, it left Willow's scent "all over" Tara. Go where you will with that.

My guess is that Willow left her sweater with Tara as a gesture of affection and reassurance, which is just . . . *sniffle* . . . the sweetest thing . . . *choke* *sob*

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Shanie whatever could you mean? I mean Tara could have smelt like Willow cause Willow cried on her, which would make it all innocent...... yeah right like I'll believe that!

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She practically had "Genuine Molded Plastic" stamped on her ass.
Just tryin' a little spicy-talk.

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well she had just hugged willow fairly intimately b4 seeing Oz so that would account for willows small being all over her

and girls and swapping/borrowing clothes etc!

u know what i mean!

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Originally posted by Shaniezak:

Whatever went on in that room before Tara had her run-in with Oz in the hallway, it left Willow's scent "all over" Tara. Go where you will with that.

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me i thought those were pheromones that Oz could smell on the sweater...

*nerdy girl mode on*

we produce pheromones when we're in love, on a mere scientific basis we signal through them that we're ready to, erm, mate (sorry about the candor, kittens!). we cannot smell them, but dogs (and consequently, werewolves) can, so when Oz goes "is she in love with you?" to Tara, to me it is because of Willow's pheromones being all over the sweater.
*nerdy girl mode off*

just my 250 lire:)

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Then... Do you think that W/T had sex before New Moon Rising?

Because I think they had kisses and snuggles moments, but the big time arrive before Tara blow the candle. You know, Willow say

"I'm gonna make it up, too. Starting right now."

But now, I dunno.

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umm... willow was wearing a completely different outfit when tara found her in the library... something happened.

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Really good possibility there, greatluna . .. I think you're really onto something with the pheromones suggestion!

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Originally posted by Shaniezak:
Really good possibility there, greatluna . .. I think you're really onto something with the pheromones suggestion!

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why thank you:)
it's just he seems a little too sure of himself there when he thinks it's Will around the corner...and it's Tara instead.

btw the fact that Tara is wearing Willow's sweatshirt doesn't automatically resolve the nature of their relationship..i'm talking from Oz' point of view here: he only met Tara very briefly previously in the episode, so it doesn't make that much sense that he's already suspecting something when they meet again there.

but it does make sense that he fails the sniffing thing. i mean, as far as Oz knows Will has "produced pheromones" for him only, he's back in town, so it makes sense to him that she should be in love with him again..or still..that's why he gets it all wrong.
i think.
i guess.
oh well.
off to bed i go:)

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I have a pretty good feeling that Oz picked up some kind of vibe from Tara's visible discomfort the first time he appeared at Giles's house during the Scooby meeting, and from her reaction when she knocked on Willow's door and he opened it.

Don't forget Willow's awkward attempts to dodge questions and drop details during her conversation with Oz in her room. We know that Will's a terrible liar, and when Oz comments, "That doesn't mean you haven't gone through a lot" she hems and haws a bit, then abruptly changes the subject: "It's so light out!" it's pretty obvious that she's trying to avoid talking about something. Also, the way she attempted to steer the conversation as far away from details of her life as possible was telling.

Here's a few passages from the shooting script for some of the above scenes, with some omitted dialogue (in italics). I've bolded relevant shooting directions.

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OZ
That doesn't mean you haven't gone
through a lot.

WILLOW
That's true. I passed poly-sci.

OZ
I'm serious.
(off her silence)
But if you don't want to talk about it...

Willow, uncomfortable now, struggles.

WILLOW
Well, some of it, you know, was me
telling myself I hated you and
cursing your name.
(quickly)
Not literally.

OZ
Thanks for that.

WILLOW
(nods/then)
And...I don't know...I think I'm
getting better with my spells and
stuff. I have a friend, we kind of
help each other...

Avoiding, Willow glances out the window. Pushes the curtain aside,
surprised.

WILLOW (cont'd)
It's light out. What time is it?

Oz checks his watch.

OZ
Almost eight. We talked all night.

WILLOW
I used to tell people we did that
sometimes, but nobody believed
you knew that many words.
(then)
I believe a manly-sized breakfast
is in order, don't you?

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Then, after Willow returns from the bathroom:

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Willow grabs her toiletry bag and exits down the hall. Oz surveys Willow's room until he's interrupted by a knock on the door. Oz opens it to TARA, who looks devastated to find him there.

TARA
Oh... Sorry. I'll come back.

She starts to move off but Oz stops her.

OZ
Are you looking for Willow? 'Cause
she's just down in the bathroom.

TARA
N-no... That's okay.

OZ
I saw you at Giles' yesterday.

Now Tara starts to back away, trying to move off before she loses it.

TARA
Yeah. Sometimes Willow takes me
with her to the S-scoobies...

OZ
You sure you don't want to come in?

Tara just shakes her head and tries to smile. Makes for the exit. Oz looks after her, a little puzzled.

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And from Tara's confrontation with Oz in the hallway:

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It's clear that Tara's getting more and more upset. Oz becomes puzzled. What's really going on here? Now he notices that Tara is wearing Willow's sweater. He reaches out and touches it, but Tara pulls away.

OZ
Is that Willow's?

Tara starts to back away, awash in guilt.

TARA
I hope you'll be v-v-very -

Suddenly, it dawns on OZ. What's happening here. But he can't quite believe it.

OZ
You smell like her. She's all
over you, you know that?

TARA
I can't. I can't talk about th- th..

OZ
But there's something to talk about -

Tara doesn't answer, just turns and hurries down the hall. This is the confirmation he dreaded. Oz is blown away, and his composure's uncharacteristically obliterated.

OZ (cont'd)
She's...involved? But she said -

TARA
I-I have to g-g-g-

OZ
We talked all night and she never
said anything. Nothing. I -

Tara just keeps moving faster. Oz yells, his voice frighteningly desperate.

OZ (cont'd)
Stop!

Tara does, terrified. Oz is shaking with emotion.

OZ (cont'd)
Is she in love with you?

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And finally, from the penultimate scene:

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WILLOW
When you spoke to Tara...

OZ
I knew.

WILLOW
I'm sorry. The last thing I wanted was -

Oz stops her. Doesn't want to get into it.

OZ
It's - it's okay.
(then)
But you're happy?

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None of the other Scoobies might have really noticed, due to the emotional distancing between them that was a theme of fourth season, but Oz has returned to Sunnydale just for Willow and clearly still possesses very strong feelings for her, so he would be pretty keenly attuned to her emotional state. Like picking up Willow's scent on Tara, I'm sure he noticed Willow's agitation and discomfort.

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ok...i've only seen the episode once (sigh) and it was a while ago. but doesn't oz say something to tara like "are you two together"...and tara says "i'm not supposed to talk about it" or something along those lines? that always made me think that they were intimate before oz showed up.

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Hey, thanks for all the answers!

greatluna - great idea, I would never have thought about something like that, probably because I hated biology classes when I was in school.

Cordy, Im pretty sure W&T had sex after the extra-flamey scene (to be honest, every time I watch that scene something inside me cries out loud "SEX!" - I know, I should get a girlfriend or at least a cold shower ), but me too, Im still wondering if there was something before that scene - hence my question.

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Though Id love to think that the You smell like her. She's all over you, you know that? line meant the girls had a little afternoon delight, I think it probably means they were just together intensely (hugging, crying, talking) before Tara ran into Oz. Otherwise, why would Tara have been so sure she was getting the blow off from Willow.

From Shooting Script:
INT. TARA'S DORM ROOM - NIGHT
Tara, alone, has been crying in the dark. A knock takes her to the door. Willow stands in her threshold, holding a lit candle.

WILLOW
No candles? Well I brought one --
it's extra flamey.

She hands it to Tara, who steps quietly aside for Willow to enter. Tara's silent, her whole body tensed, waiting for the brushoff.

By the way, anyone else think the thought of having someone elses smell all over them is just the sexist image. Its sensual and implies extreme closeness. Gotta love it.

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Every time I hear the line "You smell like her . . . she's all over you, do you know that?" I just want to bolt for a cold shower right that second.

*sigh* Damn, I need a Tara of my own.

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Originally posted by Shaniezak:
Every time I hear the line "You smell like her . . . she's all over you, do you know that?" I just want to bolt for a cold shower right that second.

*sigh* Damn, I need a Tara of my own.

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lol Shanie...I need one too...

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Originally posted by imperfectly:
She hands it to Tara, who steps quietly aside for Willow to enter. Tara's silent, her whole body tensed, waiting for the brushoff.

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You know, when I first read this, I thought it said Tara was waiting for the buttshot. Guess where my head is these days...

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Or a Willow . . . I'm not that picky, y'know. Just someone to save me from extensive shooting-script quoting and spending hours sitting here hitting reload . . .

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Originally posted by tommo:
You know, when I first read this, I thought it said Tara was waiting for the buttshot. Guess where my head is these days...

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Hee Hee. Yes, weve all got butt on the brain.

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Which reminds me of Anya's comedy routine in "Restless" about the man with a duck on his head . . .

"There's a man attached to my ass!"

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Originally posted by Shaniezak:
Which reminds me of Anya's comedy routine in "Restless" about the man with a duck on his head . . .

"There's a man attached to my ass!"

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And now it should be "There's a kitty attached to my ass!"

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More like, "There are many Kitties attached to my ass!"

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With cameras!

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Originally posted by Shaniezak:
More like, "There are many Kitties attached to my ass!"

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lol

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Originally posted by tommo:
With cameras!

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And scanners! And FTP programs! And web browsers!

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Originally posted by Shaniezak:
And scanners! And FTP programs! And web browsers!

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Oh My!

(Chanting in that Lions and Tigers and Bears way)

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*chuckle*

This thread has gotten so way off topic. Way to go, Ruth.

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Ahem. Okay, so er...Willow's jacket on Tara and the smell...?

*gives up*

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. . . and now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take a shower now.

No, really. I have to take a shower. Because then I have to eat, and drive down to Blockbuster to return a video. I have to part with that copy of "King of the Hill" now. *sniffle*

Likely I'll be thinking about that "She's all over you" line the whole way. *shiver*

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