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The Riley factor: EW article about Dawn

Postby tyche » Thu Feb 14, 2002 3:16 am

From EW:

quote:
Dawn of the Dead

Dawn is suffering from the Riley factor. Once a vital character, she's being sadly neglected by the show's writers, says Jeff Jensen

In the past, ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' has fielded curious episodes in which weaknesses seemed to be acknowledged, then leveraged for drama. Take the penultimate episode of two seasons ago: After a year tracking the separate post-high school destinies of the Scooby Gang (a move that boldly played against one of the show's strengths: the cast's group chemistry), Buffy realized the only way to defeat the Frankenstein monster Adam was with a little help from her friends.

Or take last season's exit of Buffy's first post-Angel boyfriend, Riley. The season before, the beefcake super-soldier served a purpose in the epic Adam storyline; the following year, with Adam gone, there was nothing for him to do. Hence, Riley's ironic reason for breaking up with Buffy: He just didn't feel needed anymore.

To this suspect tradition, let us add ''Older and Far Away,'' which aired on Feb. 12. The weakness acknowledged: Dawn -- who, you might recall, is not really Buffy's teenage sister; she and everyone else just thinks she is. She actually is the incarnation of a magical key, made flesh last season by monks who cast an irreversible spell that reorganized all of reality to accommodate Dawn's existence in order to... oh, never mind. Remarkably, Dawn proved magnificently viable last year because the writers made this loopy idea work. Alas, now Dawn is suffering from the dreaded Riley Factor: She has no compelling reason to be here.

Once again, the writers have tried to work this to their advantage. All season long, Dawn has felt ignored by her big sister. In ''Away,'' her angst reached its apex; after unwittingly unburdening herself to a vengeance demon, the Scoobies found themselves cursed to be trapped together under one roof. When the inevitable cabin fever stir crazies settled in, Dawn angrily suggested it was because they just couldn't stand being around her -- a rather suspicious outburst, which prompted an investigation that finally exposed Dawn's kleptomania. Of course, getting caught was what Dawn subconsciously wanted all along, just so she could force the confrontation with her sister she's been yearning for.

Yet despite a valiant effort, ''Away'' failed to succeed in justifying Dawn's continued presence on this show. It’s obvious ''Buffy'' has nothing left to say with her. Dawn isn't a rich, vital character; she's just a tool -- a mirror to reflect ideas in other characters (like Buffy's twentysomething irresponsibility). Instead of giving her character development, she gets little moments to literally and figuratively ''act out'': a little kleptomania here, a little temper tantrum there, all adding up to a big So What?

What frustrates me most is how ''Buffy'' seems to be missing Dawn's most interesting aspect: I mean, she's a magical key. That's some wacky stuff, don't you think? But ''Buffy'''s writers have forgotten all about this. Instead, the show dwells on the least interesting facet of her identity: her solipsistic teenagerness. What's even more disappointing is that a truly talented actress, Michelle Trachtenberg, is being wasted.

It pains me to say this, but Dawn is a drain on this show. ''Buffy'' must either turn this key in a different direction -- or throw it away.
(Posted:02/13/02)


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Postby Shaniezak » Thu Feb 14, 2002 3:41 am

Man, for a minute there I thought that was "ew," not shorthand for Entertainment Weekly, I swear . . . *shaking head*

Yeah, Dawn is feeling a bit extraneous these days . . . but then again, I bet she feels that way, too. If she's not in need of rescue, she's getting ignored. Poor kid.

I'm gonna wait this one out . . . see how it plays out for the rest of the season.

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Postby christa monsta » Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:29 am

i agree! i would hesitate to be too quick to "throw away" a pretty main character. if this show has taught me one thing, it's to be patient.

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Postby kitten scout » Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:04 am

Let's not be too hasty in throwing away the key. Maybe the writers should develope a friend for Dawn. I also think she'll feel better when Willow and Tara get back together.
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Postby tommo » Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:40 am

Something tells me that Dawn hasn't been seeing a whole lot of Tara lately; and that has been making her suffer somewhat. Poor Dawnie. She just needs some attention. She is a kid, after all.

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Postby WiggleStick » Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:48 am

Not to mention that, if Dawn is underused what does that make Xander and Anya...Invisible? U just can't have every character be the focus all the time.
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Postby MadProphet » Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:55 am

Imagine the power she could harness from within herself for magic. I daresay she could be the most powerful witch ever.
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Postby j_uk » Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:55 am

Anyone else notice when Dawn went to close the door, Tara tried to stroke her arm and got blanked? I think Buffy's not the only one who needs to be hugged and called sweetie.
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Postby Rayne » Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:01 am

quote:
Originally posted by kitten scout:
Let's not be too hasty in throwing away the key. Maybe the writers should develope a friend for Dawn.

I *really* hope that doesn't happen. There's barely enough time for the regular cast, think what would happen if they started focusing on Dawn and her friends?

Personally, I hope they ship her off to live with her dad at some point. I'd actually like to see Buffy enjoy her early twenties without the additional responsibility of being Dawn's guardian.quote:

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Postby darvangi » Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:13 am

I agree, WiggleStick - and if you asked me, I would say that Xander has been more ignored by the writers than Dawn even. I don't think we need another Xander-centric episode a la The Replacement, he just needs to be used as an interesting character rather than just as spring-board for Buffy's and Willow's and Spike's and even Anya's stories.

Dawn has gotten similar treatment, but at least she's gotten more screen time. And I must say, I am much more interested in Dawn as a character than this EW writer is. I really do feel bad for her because of the horrible situation she's in and I want to see her succeed. We could definately use more great scenes like in The Body where Dawn is at school going through her teenage drama. Ahhh - where is the J-man when you need him? I hope he's enjoying Firefly. Sniff.

edited to add - this bit here confuses me: "What frustrates me most is how 'Buffy' seems to be missing Dawn's most interesting aspect: I mean, she's a magical key. That's some wacky stuff, don't you think? But 'Buffy''s writers have forgotten all about this." Doesn't the writer realize that The Key was meant for one unique purpose and now that the purpose is over and done with her key-ness is a dead issue? Someone needs to pay more attention.

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Postby mucifer » Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:20 am

They arent mentioning that Dawn has her strengths and she is more fully written than what is stated in the article.

First of all, its pretty clear that "the key" is subtext for adoption and buffy and her buddies DO really love Dawn like she is Buffy's sister. She does make Buffy's weaknesses more apparent.

Let's not forget that Dawn did something in one episode that Buffy couldnt easily do... kill her vamp boyfriend. She's a teenager and personally I'm curious to see where they go to next with her storyline of lonliness and kleptomania.

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Postby Hemiola » Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:58 am

Does anyone else remember some of the original rumours that were floating around prior to Dawn's actual introduction?

As I recall, she was supposed to be able to "communicate" with the dead, or with beings in other dimensions. Who knows if these rumored abilities might not actually appear at some point? Then there was the way she acquitted herself so well against the demon in "Wrecked"--it seems to me that Buffy teaching her little sister some "Slayer Moves" might be a perfect bonding mechanism for them.

Just some random speculations.....
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Postby xita » Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:25 am

I love all the characters and I don't want anyone to leave or be gotten rid of. However, I wonder how much they had thought Dawn out. Did Joss really play beyond season 5 when he initially conceptualize Dawn. Then it became clear it would go on and it's hard to see how her plight connects to the other's. I don't know. I didn't find her annoying yesterday but I don't think it's over.
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Postby fell » Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:35 am

If I were a Buffy writer I would be looking for something that exploits Dawn's non-human origins like, as suggested above, giving her some kind of very unique magickal power that was quite distinct from W&T's abilities. MT is an extraordinary actress and I hope they at least build some more back story for her (beyond basic teen angst and alienation) to base a major plot arc on next season.
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Postby Zahir » Thu Feb 14, 2002 9:36 am

You know, I personally think some Baddie with a brain might well find manipulating Dawn a much better weapon than kidnapping and/or threatening her.

And there's always the really interesting possibilities of Dawn's emotional connections with both Tara and Spike.

I, for one, don't want to lose Dawn. Nor do I think we're going to.

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Postby Reba Namos » Thu Feb 14, 2002 10:14 am

Poor Dawnie! That bites that she is being ignored... I remember when she showed up in season five, I was like huh??? What is she doing here, Buffy doesn't have a sister.... I hope she gets more of a story line in the future... *crosses fingers*

P.S. Sorry for my excessive posting today, I want to be a cool monster fighter!!! Is that bad thing???

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Postby mariacomet » Thu Feb 14, 2002 11:29 am

Well, let's face something - The show is called Buffy the Vampire Slayer, so ALL characters on the show are meant to help or hurt Buffy is some way. Which means that all characters in one way or another start out as plot devices to motivate the show, and therefore Buffy.

Even our Willow started out this way. But Joss has been able to grow the characters past being plot devices into their own complex characterizations.

Joss doesn't seem to me to do very much on the fly. I don't mean that he never changes his mind, I mean that he's meticlous about what he does. So I don't think that Dawn's progression was only planned through season 5.

I see some edges to Dawn. She seems to have a streak of ruthlessness in her when she needs to like when she decided 'I'm going to bring my mother back, no matter what.' She can be incredibly cunning. The scene that comes to mind is that she was pumping Glory for information even while being terrified of her.

The whole 'I'm a key, but I don't open anything anymore' seems to trite a way to completely deal with that issue. and I wonder if some of the whining/temper tantrums we are seeing now from Dawn don't reflect a serious lack of emotional maturity based on the fact that she has only really been human a short while. Kind of like Anya, though Anya doesn't have too many human 'memories' to fall back on. What if emotionally Dawn is only about 10 and she is trying to live a teenage life?

They keep showing her sneaking out too. Where is she going? Is it just to steal or does she have these 'friend' that she hangs out with. I can't decide if she has any freinds at all though last year they did have a scene where she was worried about being called a freak.

I agree with the writer of the piece that they haven't done too much with Dawn as a complex character this year. She hasn't really grooved out a place for herself. I wonder it that isn't somewhat purposeful. As teens aren't we all searching for that place we fit in? Wouldn't it be in keeping with the 'oh grow up' theme to have the fans have to watch her go through this process? Maybe I am giving Joss too much credit, but I think there is a ton of possibility here. I believe they will eventually explore it. I certainly hope they do or it will be one of the first and only times I can say that I have seen the Buffy writers drop the ball.

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Postby Errol » Thu Feb 14, 2002 11:48 am

Jeff's reviews are always pure trash. And this one is utter garbage. How in the heck can he compare Dawn to Riley? The guy is a smuck. All of the characters stories run through Buffy's on the show. And all of the characters have a place on the show. Jeff could try picking on Xander and Anya next time because those two have had nothing to do this season except a few mentions about the wedding. Season six has totally wasted Nick and Emma's talents. The Lame Gunman have totally sucked this season and have no usefulness. So him singling out Dawn is really crappy and cowardly.

This so called review reminds me of all the Tara bashing that used to be so heavy with the fans and critics. I do want Dawn to be given new stuff to do in the future. But she is definitely not a drain on the show. I like Dawn and feel she brings a certain energy to the show. The season is not over and we still have season seven. So I'm sure the writer's have something in store for Dawn. Joss knows what he is doing because he has everything planned out. So stories are in the works for Dawn as well as the entire cast. I think Jeff, and a few fans should have more patience with Dawn and the story arcs because everything has not been revealed. So Jeff and his sucky review can shove it where the sun don't shine!

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Postby katydid » Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:38 pm

Granted I am not the biggest fan of Dawn...I do find that they write her to be too whiny....but I think this is a little hasty. Just because one character, Riley, went through a writing dry spell...doesn't mean that when another "main" character gets similar treatment, then they are automatically gonna suffer the same fate. I think Dawn is in the background to bring light to the greater purpose of this season. Not every season is going to focus on Dawn....thankfully.

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Postby TaraMaclay » Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:54 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Errol:
Jeff's reviews are always pure trash. And this one is utter garbage. How in the heck can he compare Dawn to Riley? The guy is a smuck.

Ok, I'll agree with you on that one.

I also noticed that to. And you would have to really, REALLY not be paying attention to notice it. They do seem to be focusinf more attention on the othere characters:

Buffy: The show was in flux. WB killed her off. UPN brought her back.

Willow/Tara: Rlationship is going trough a rough patch.

Buffy/Spike: Relationship?? We'll see

Anya/Xander: Preparring for the wedding.

Giles: Gone, but never forgotten. (At least in spirit).

Sure, not allthe episodes can deal with every single character. IF it did it would be more like General Hospital or one of the other daytime Soap Opera's (not giving SoapOpera's a bad name.

Dawn is now evnerting Teenage years, and every teenager (Ok, most) go through this stage of theier lives. The feeling that nobody wasnts them around. Everyone off doing their own thing. The feeling of loneliness.

Sure not every episode is going to focus on Dawn, but I bet that a lot of us remember going through something very similar when we were about that age.

Edited to add: And although she did start out a a mystical 'Key', Glory is gone?? (I miss Clare) and now she's a regular, or close to, regular normal Teenage girl

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Postby Kalita » Thu Feb 14, 2002 2:42 pm

I'm confident that Joss has a plan for Dawn's future, and that she will have a place in the grand scheme of things beyond her S5 role.

We just haven't gotten there yet. Much of this year has been Buffy's and Willow's journeys, and both Xander/Anya and Dawn have been in the background. It may not even show up until next year, whatever's planned; but I'm sure she will be a part of it.

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Postby bzengo » Thu Feb 14, 2002 3:20 pm

This reviewer is a total shmuck. And has been.

Dawn, I believe, is the future of BtVS. While Aly and Amber have both expressed willingness to keep going as long as Joss wants to, SMG has not (although she's hinted at it.)

But eventually, there will come a time to end the show as we know it. Both MT and Joss have talked about MT being part of any long-term spin-off. From a purely business point of view, it would be unusual to shut down a thriving world such as this, without going further.

Star Trek: TNG was IMHO, better than the original Star Trek.

Dawn, The Magical Key or whatever they end up calling her, may well be more wonderful than even the original BtVS, PLUS, Willow and Tara can come visit from their normal home on their own very successful spinoff, "The Kitten, The Witches and the Bad Wardrobe."

I truly belive that Dawn is the future of the show, and that what we're seeing her go through is all part of Joss's plan for her.

Dawn is still made out of the energy to break down the walls of the dimensions separating us from everyone else, and build them back up again. And she keeps wearing HEART clothing. The ONLY power strong enough to do this is love.

Dawn is love. She continues to work to bring Willow and Tara together. She is a bridge between Buffy and Spike. Out of her love for her mother, and out of her experience of lacking love from Buffy, she worked deep mojo, and then THREW IT AWAY FOR THE LOVE OF BUFFY.

The birthday episode was all about love, and it was Dawn's relationship to being loved that, in a round-about way, got everyone there.

In addition, Marti has said Dawn is, this season, going to move away from being the TV Kid Sister.

Go Dawn, go! Ignore the puny-brains at EW. They have no appreciation for Joss's vision.

Dawn is the key, and the key is love. Whenever you see Dawn, the story is dealing with love.

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Postby TaraMaclay » Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:39 pm


That's exactly my point. What are the plans for Dawn? We haven't go there yet.

Ok, as to the Riley thing. Let's see... Well, despite what everyone thought of the character. Marc did a decent job with what he had to work with. characters and the actors that play them. Completely different things.

Anyway. Although this is going to most definatly causea little bit of strain for Buffy. Riley leaves, then comes back to see Buff (sort of) with Spike. Remember his reaction to Angel...

But in another way this is going to do a liitle bit of good. At least this will bring a close there whole matter.

1. Buffy/Angel. Angel left after Grad 2. knowing theat is was for the best. Both if them love each other very much still. But they both know that they can't be together together.

2, Faith. At least she woke up from the coma and actually had a few stories after. Her storyline was completed on Angel. Still open on Angel thoght since she's in prison.

3. True that wasn't the smartest way of saying that you wanted out of the series. At least there was a story later on where he found out that W'T were now an couple.

4. Amy. Thank Godddess that Josss brought her back. I rathere liked her. At least there isn't any speculation anymore about "How is Joss going to bring back Amy and when".

Storylines work a lot better if they could be concluded, and this story is going to do that for Riley. I'm sure that Buffy is going to be surprised about thins in his life. As Riley will be about what's going on in her's.

Just wonder if anyone told him she was dead??

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Postby Shaniezak » Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:48 pm

*laughs*

See, that's the thing people often forget to take into account with this show: PATIENCE!

Look at "Restless:" some of the hints laid in that episode didn't come to fruition until this season. By the same token, there's Faith's cryptic "Little Sis coming" speech from "Graduation Day" back in season three.

Big pivotal revelations like Dawn's true nature don't just lie dormant on this show, never to be awoken again. They just take time.

Of course, on the other hand, there's also those little things that we love to speculate on, that never come up again. But this whole Dawn storyline? Too much work and thought went into it for Joss and his Wacky Bunch of Evildoers to just drop it, methinks.

*chanting in Yoda voice* Patience, young seedlings . . . patience.

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Postby shellybean » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:13 am

Isn't Dawn just a normal human now because the whole portal thing didn't work? So she's not the key anymore, right? just a hormonal teenager. I kind of agree with some parts of the article like that she's kind of becoming like Riley where she doesn't really have a place or that she's just used to reflect other characters idea's or flaws like Buffy's irresponsibility. But I don't agree that she should be gotten rid of. She's the only real family that Buffy has left and she's kind of like a symbol of Buffy growing up and having to take responsibility for her. She does get on my nerves sometimes but I don't think she should be dumped so easily.
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Postby JustSomeGuy » Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:52 am

Caution One: I do'nt know if this is the place for it, but if it is'nt, I'm certain someone will put it where it belongs. ^_^
Caution Two: What I'm about to espouse is probably more Guy Brownlee logic than Joss Whedon logic, but what the hey. Also ^_^

Buffy can't protect Dawn, not completely, and not forever.
Short of actualy sending her little sister to live with unknown reletives on the other side of the continant (and even then- also please remember that dear ol' dad is MIA, and has'nt been seen or heared from since BEFORE JOYCE'S DEATH), if Dawnie is going to survive, she is going to have to become a full-fledged Scooby! Maybe even more.
Buffy is going to *have* to train her to take care of herslf, martial arts, crossbow, etc,
or Dawn will *always* be at the mercy of Buffy's foes.
And I think that is just where they might be going with Dawn.
That, or they lock her down in the basement for the rest of her life.
Guy.
Also, in her tough moments, does'nt Dawn remind you -just a little- of Faith?

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Postby invisigoth » Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:28 am

WARNING A LITTLE SPOILER SPECULATION


I remember hearing talk on these boards about ME trying to get Faith back only to kill her off. I always wondered whether they had plans to tie her in with the Dawn storyline in a bigger way. I mean, Faith was a part of all the hints we had of Dawn in Season 3 and Season 4. I really hope they convince Eliza to take a little time out and come back someday, because I think it would be really interesting to how they are connected.

Sometimes I wonder if the Wishverse was happening if Dawn would have been Faith's little sister, or perhaps she'd be Kendra's little sister.

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Postby j_uk » Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:36 am

Hey, wouldn't that be a good way to get Faith back into the show?

What if the Monks didn't know there were two slayers, and so when they did the spell they created Dawn as part Buffy and part Faith. When Faith get's released from whatever she was charged with, she could come back to Sunnydale and Buffy would be forced to accept her for the sake of their sister.

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Postby Glory-p3-mrs » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:12 pm

oh /Hell/ yeah

(response to Faith's return)

oh, and i miss Clare too....

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Postby BabyWillow81 » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:20 pm

quote:
Originally posted by kitten scout:
Let's not be too hasty in throwing away the key. Maybe the writers should develope a friend for Dawn. I also think she'll feel better when Willow and Tara get back together.

I agree highy;, i know from expirience when me ex girl and I broke up...the kids got bad,even at the young age of 2,5,6 they knew smthing was missing....I helped raise them since the oldest was 3. When my ex and I began hangning out again , and i was around the kids were a lot happier...especially when i would spend the night, and they could climb in bed wiht me in the morning.
So since tara was more of the mother figure this may be effecting dawn majorly, of course she did start to act up right after joyce died.......
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