All Purpose BBC/Sky thread

[xita]

I noticed a lot of repeat discussion in 3 threads dealing with cuts of particular episodes. This thread has been created to discuss these cuts and other issues, reviews etc. dealing with either sky or bbc. Now, new episode discussion should of course take place in the original episode threads, but feel free to discuss any episode here. Enjoy!

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[WiccanBex*]

there's probably already a thread for this... i can't see it... but i'm sure there is one, so now doubt this will be moved as appropriate...

but was anyone else a little peeved at how Sky One edited Bargaining last night?

i mean... i'm not surprised that they thought the scene with willow and bambi was a little inappropriate - i could have guessed that straight away... but i wasn't happy with the way it was edited.

i mean, when i first watched the ep after it aired in the US (thank you internet...) i was really disturbed by that scene... but i was supposed to be disturbed - that's how the scene was supposed to make me feel...

and the look on willow's face afterwards showed how distressed *she* was about the whole thing. but sky just cut that out...

all we saw was willow getting a very serious look on her face, followed by her picking up the knife. my mother was watching with me (she hadn't seen the ep before) and the first thing she said was "willow's so evil! how could she do that?"

and that's really how it looked. if i hadn't seen the uncut version before, that's exactly what i would have thought too.

the look of pain and remorse on her face was completely gone and it really ruined the whole scene.

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[Still Waters Run Deep*]

Buffy gets more praise from The Independent Newspaper for ‘The Body’

Todays Independent broadsheet newspaper ran another TV review this time on ‘The Body’, again by the Papers TV Critic Robert Hanks.

>>>….A new departure for Buffy the Vampire Slayer: death by natural causes – Buffy’s mother Joyce Summers, died of a brain aneurism. There was one brief, ill-judged supernatural interlude, when Buffy was forced to decapitate a vampire at the morgue where Joyce’s body was laid out; but otherwise, the episode offered a marvellously acute reproduction of the strange rubato that comes from grief – the way that the ordinary rhythms of life get stretched and distorted. The camera had trouble tearing itself away from irrelevant details – such as the piece of kitchen roll that Buffy was using to clean up the spot where she had vomited in shock.

Anya – a demon who has taken mortal form – is usually a comic figure, because of her inability to grapple with the nuances of human emotion; but here, her frustration at not knowing how to behave simply magnified the ordinary human quandary.

The comic-book conventions that sustain Buffy from week to week were turned on their head to create something utterly true to life, and painful; popular drama should always be this good. <<<

Well, the Independent comes through again as a firm ‘Buffy’ supporter.

And I for one agree with the statement on the morgue incident, it lent nothing to the narrative. Perhaps it was there as the closest thing to ‘light relief’, as a break for our collective breaths in this most painful of Buffy episodes to date [on the BBC that is].

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[concrete*]

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Originally posted by Still Waters Run Deep:
the morgue incident, it lent nothing to the narrative. Perhaps it was there as the closest thing to ‘light relief’, as a break for our collective breaths in this most painful of Buffy episodes to date [on the BBC that is].

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I don't think it was used as "light relief" but rather as a statement that life goes on; back to the old -Slayer- routine....

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[Wiccagrrl*]

That's how I took it, too. The vampire at the end was sort of along the same lines as the parking ticket Xander got at the dorm. Real life intruding on their grief.

[Willowgirlieuk]

Spoilers (Kinda) for Bargaining (Had to put a spoiler warning up just in case!)
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I didn’t like Sky1’s cutting of the bargaining too, even though I did close my eyes for the 2nd watching of the Willow and dear bit! Lol. But I think it was important too see that (The 1st time) as it showed that Willow didn’t do the killing so easily, Sky portray made her kinda evil-er….god help what going to happen when the BBC get there hands

[Willow Rocks]

is anyone else getting upset that Sky has took a page out of Cgannel 4 and bbc books the majority of buffy fans are never going to c the full versions Is anyone complaining to sky or do you think it is not appropiet for two little scenes?

[Under Her Spell]

I didn't know Sky cut Buffy - that's really bad. You pay money to see Buffy early, and then they cut out bits of it. If they're going to show Buffy they should show it at a time when it won't need to be cut.

As for the Body, I thought the vampire scene was great - it reminded you that this wasn't just a drama, it was Buffy. But it doesn't suprise me the Independent failed to grasp that - like the Guardian, they pretend to understand Buffy, but they just miss out a lot of the more important aspects of the show!

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[morgan1707]

I think Buffy definitely needs to be on later; 9pm would be better - on a Friday. Putting Buffy on opposite new Friends and ER is just NOT going to work at all. With Joss' comments about "more misery, more sex" and Jane Espenson's comments regarding Season 6 being "more funny, more scary," I seriously think a move might be in order with the more "adult" content.

I noticed the editing of Bargaining too - but it wasn't THAT severe in my opinion (at least we got the kiss and the bed scene between Willow and Tara). It was just the violence that was edited. I thought Sky were going risque with the resurrection spell scenes. I thought perhaps they might have been edited but they weren't edited from what I could tell.

Channel 4's editing of Angel is in a totally different league to this....

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Originally posted by Under Her Spell:
I didn't know Sky cut Buffy - that's really bad. You pay money to see Buffy early, and then they cut out bits of it. If they're going to show Buffy they should show it at a time when it won't need to be cut.

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I think paying more money for Sky is beside the issue - they still have regulations to follow, even after 9pm. I think Buffy should be shown later, but the question is when. I think Fridays at 9pm would suit the show better; and capture a better audience

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[SJ]

I agree I think cutting the deer scene made Willow look cold and evil we didn't see the remorse which was wrong.
I still think Sky should have left BTVS and Angel in the friday night slot.

[The Partyman]

The Late night repeat on Buffy on BBC2 is always uncut. Its usually on between 12:30 and 2am (times vary)

Watched the The Body last night and it had everything in it.

Sorry about that double post!
My posts weren't coming up!

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[Dr.G]

That's ok Partyman, happens to us all (I deleted your double post btw). Sometimes it takes a minute for a post to show up, try refreshing the page a few times until it shows up. Oh and you can always delete a post yourself by clicking on the edit button and checking the box to delete. This way, you can also edit your post if you have something to add instead of double posting.

[j_uk]

(This has probably been mentioned before, but I hadn't seen it)

Bargaining parts one and two are being repeated on Sky One at 5pm today. I just wonder how much will have to be cut out for this timeslot.

While I'm here, I noticed this at the bbc buffy site:

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The BBC has learned from Fox in America that the long version is available, and that all overseas broadcasters have the choice of which one they can purchase.

A representative of Sky's acquisitions department was surprised but delighted to hear the results of our investigations, and will now explore the possibility of getting the extended episode rushed over in time for their own broadcast in mid February.

BBC Buffy fans will pleased to hear that the BBC is intending to show the uncut version on BBC2 when season six is shown later in the year.

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[stephenbooth_uk]

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Originally posted by The Partyman:
The Late night repeat on Buffy on BBC2 is always uncut. Its usually on between 12:30 and 2am (times vary)

Watched the The Body last night and it had everything in it.

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Actually the BBC do still cut the late night showing, just usually not a severely as the 18:45 showing. It tends to be things like terms that they think people might find offensive (eg anytime Willow uses the word 'Spaz'). I did get in contact with them a few times over this as they were advertising the late night showing as uncut but just got back a typical "We know what's good for you so stop complaining." type of reply.

Stephen

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[morgan1707]

I'd give up with the BBC, and just buy the videos. It's buy one, get one free still at the moment. So get them while you can!

[The Partyman]

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Originally posted by stephenbooth_uk:
Actually the BBC do still cut the late night showing, just usually not a severely as the 18:45 showing....

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Boo to them for false advertising. I've never noticed though, the cuts must be very minor.

On a similar topic, I know the Angel VHS Boxsets are Uncut (one tape even carries an *18* certifucate) But what about the Buffy ones?

Does Anybody know?

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[WiccanBex]

the boxsets are pretty much always uncut...

i think there's been one time when there was something cut... but i can't remember what it was, or from which episode.

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[j_uk]

The late night one is cut? Damn. I just want them to release the show on DVD, uncut with deleted scenes restored, in anamorphic widescreen, plus behind the scenes clips and commentary from the cast and crew. That’s not much to ask.

If anyone is interested, I watched the Sky repeat yesterday.

All the w/t stuff was left in, including the kiss that was shown at just after 5pm (someone make a note of that). A lot of the fighting was cut (mainly the demons deaths), plus a bit of dialog.

Carrying on the BBC’s tradition of ruining Spike’s funny lines: “Life flash before your eyes – Cup of tea, Cup of tea, Cup of tea?”

[Caroline]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by xita:
[b]IThis thread has been created to discuss these cuts and other issues, reviews etc. dealing with either sky or bbc.

But where do we talk about the clothes?!

As for cuts 'n' stuff. Not good that Sky have started hacking at S6 just as the show gets that little bit darker - in fact the first few episodes are downright depressing. BBC2 however, get a huge slap on the back for Thursday night and leaving our girlies kissing intact (despite making other small cuts to the ep). If you've not mailed them in support, please try and do so, chances are it was the mass of mail they got about Family that may have swayed their treatment of The Body...

[Willow Rocks]

Dead mans party is cut on the video box sets when Giles hot wires the car though i am sure they showed the whole thing on sky.

And bbc cut when willow says spaz okay used in some ways i can c how it could be seen as offencive but i can't think of one time willow has used it that way.

Also i'm sure the bbc cut the end second or two of the body on its 6:45 showing when dawn goes to touch Joyce, why?

[MysteryAngel]

I got word today that Sky will be cutting up to 8 minutes out of Once More With Feeling. I just saw the uncut version today through a friend. How the fup are they gonna cut 8 mins out of it?

MysteryAngel

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[morgan1707]

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Originally posted by MysteryAngel:
I got word today that Sky will be cutting up to 8 minutes out of Once More With Feeling. I just saw the uncut version today through a friend. How the fup are they gonna cut 8 mins out of it?

MysteryAngel

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I believe there is an edited version and an unedited version (which is approximately 50 minutes long - and Sky won't show it because it cuts there advert time). quote:

[Dr.G]

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Originally posted by Caroline:

But where do we talk about the clothes?!

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Well if you *really* want to, you can do so in this thread.

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[MoKa]

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Originally posted by Willow Rocks:
Dead mans party is cut on the video box sets when Giles hot wires the car though i am sure they showed the whole thing on sky.

And bbc cut when willow says spaz okay used in some ways i can c how it could be seen as offencive but i can't think of one time willow has used it that way.

Also i'm sure the bbc cut the end second or two of the body on its 6:45 showing when dawn goes to touch Joyce, why?

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LOL do you ever stop to take a breath. How about a , or a . sometime. I'm exhausted reading some posts !

I'm bummed that I missed both versions of The Body last week. I also had such a bad migraine on Thursday night, I made myself lie on the couch and listen to it very quietly on SKY. Luckily I had seen it online first

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[Caroline]

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Originally posted by Dr.G:
Well if you *really* want to, you can do so in this

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LOL, a place for everything - altho there have been many many noteworthy outfits since last May so perhaps resurrecting that thread may be a little like poking a monster in the ass with a sharp stick.

As for OMWF and 8 missing minutes, I swear I saw a post detailing the cuts somewhere around here - stuff like the second verse of Spike's graveyard romp and Anya's singing dinosaur and Dawn's vague and non-spoilery line towards the end of the ep. She says. In an effort to be vague and non-spoilery.

Maybe someone with a memory will do one of those "look here" links...

Right about now...
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[Warduke]

Look here

[j_uk]

I just saw this on channel4 teletext:

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FURY OVER BUFFY CUTS

Fans of Buffy The Vampire Slayer have
complained to Sky about cuts made to
the first episode of the new series
which began on Thursday.

 The broadcaster censored the edition,
which featured a magic ritual and
violence, as it claimed it was
unsuitable for an 8pm audience.

 Ten viewers complained, saying the
cuts spoiled the show. A Sky
spokeswoman said: "The cuts were
only a one-off."

Sky One chiefs say cuts made to an 8pm
episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer
were necessary as "it was darker and
sexier than usual".

 A spokeswoman added: "Some trims
were made to the episode, but these
were kept to a minimum to ensure the
scenes flowed and the essence and
the integrity of the storyline were
maintained."

 She added there will be no cuts to
the rest of the new series.

The cuts made by Sky One to Buffy The
Vampire Slayer follow a similar
situation when its spin-off Angel was
shown by C4 in 2000.

 Fans protested after episodes shown
in the early evening were censored
because of violent and sexual scenes,
so it was moved to a late-night slot.

 BBC2 is currently showing the
previous Buffy series on Thursdays at
6.45pm and with repeats late night at
weekends.

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[tyche]

The fan campaign has made it into the BBC's news section too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entert ... 763615.stm

[Caroline]

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Originally posted by tyche:
The fan campaign has made it into the BBC's news section too:

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On which they report with something more than akin to glee. Funny how they won't mention the rather more dubious cuts they themselves make to episodes. Smug bastards. I wonder in total how many emails, calls and letters they received about Family. Much as I hate the thought of any kind of censorship, Sky are at least editing violence out as opposed to anything and everything that might make kids gay.

Sky One are asking for trouble showing the series at 8pm and I don't believe them for a second when they say the cuts will be a one off. How so? Do they think those scenes were worse than what's to come? How can they make that sort of a commitment when they have no clue what the upcoming episodes will contain - and from the sound of some of the unaired spoilers, things are just going to get darker.

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[Hanki]

is anyone else worried what's gonna happen to Afterlife tomorrow??

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