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New gay TV network in the US

Postby tyche » Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:09 am

http://tvguide.com/magazine/robins/020107.asp
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GAY NETWORK COULD DEBUT WITHIN A YEAR
Showtime And MTV Would Develop It For Viacom; Others Considering, Too

By J. Max Robins


MTV and Showtime are in "serious discussions" about launching a gay channel, according to several sources familiar with the project.

The would-be developers are part of the Viacom media empire that includes CBS, UPN, Nickelodeon and VH1. However, they're not the only big-time players considering a gay network. According to industry sources, there have been such discussions at HBO, USA Networks, as well as at Rainbow Media, the programming arm of Cablevision, which runs Bravo and AMC. But the proposed MTV/Showtime venture appears to be closer to reality, although both parties declined comment.

"It's being given real consideration," says a Viacom insider, who indicates such a network could launch within the next year. [As early as March, Showtime may begin a trial run with a four-hour gay programming block on its companion service Showtime Too.] Little wonder such a network may launch soon. An already successful Canadian model exists: PrideVision, which launched last year.

"Look at the success Showtime has with programming like Queer as Folk," the insider says. "And MTV has a long history of being out in front on gay issues and marketing to that community."

Both networks have been pioneers in bringing gay storylines to television, long before Will & Grace became prime-time players. Real World, MTV's long-running hit reality series has included gay participants since it began in 1992, as have the game-show Singled Out and the late-night teen soap Undressed.

Showtime got into the game even earlier. In 1984, the premium cable network launched Brothers, the first gay-themed TV series. It also has offered Tales of the City, a recurring miniseries based on the Armistead Maupin novels about gay and straight life in San Francisco. Queer as Folk, the drama based on a hit British series, recently began its second season. The show credited with boosting Showtime's audience.

"It's about time somebody had gone after that audience with a network," says Tom Wolzien, senior media analyst of the investment firm Sanford C. Bernstein & Company. "It's an important segment of the audience that has traditionally been under-served. The money is certainly there to support it."

According to the marketing publication Brandweek, research suggests that six percent of the adult population, roughly 15 million people, identifies itself as gay or lesbian, with combined annual spending in the $250-$350 billion range. Major advertisers including Miller Brewing and General Motors, have increasingly targeted gay and lesbian consumers, with select commercials and print ads.

"Whoever does this could win big," says Randy Barbato, co-president of World of Wonder, an independent production company that created The RuPaul Show for VH1.

MTV and Showtime are undecided if the proposed gay network will be advertiser supported like MTV or a commercial-free pay service like Showtime. Some industry observers believe the latter might minimize resistance from anti-gay groups against cable systems that would carry the network as part of a basic cable package. "You wouldn't have the content issues that you're inevitably faced with if you go the ad-supported route," Wolzien says.

Programming for the gay channel may include existing and original programs, including gay-hosted talk and music video shows, relationship game shows and news.


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New gay TV network in the US

Postby Kiwiccan* » Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:27 am

Zap2it News Item

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - MTV and Showtime may be considering the joint launch of a gay-oriented network for later this year, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Officials from both of the Viacom-owned networks declined comment.

The concept, believed to be in its early stages, could feature the airing of programs from both networks, according to TV Guide Magazine. Showtime’s original series “Queer as Folk” follows the intimate lives of gay and lesbian characters in Pittsburgh.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby Kitty4You21 » Wed Jan 09, 2002 4:43 am

WOW THAT WOULD BE COOL IF THEY DID HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT... I WOULD LOVE THAT SO MUCH! I HOPE THEY DO MAKE ONE AND I HOPE IT'S ON CABEL LIKE MTV AND NOT LIKE SHOWTIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR IT...OH WELL EITHER WAY IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING...SMILE..=) ~~KAT~~

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby lahabiel » Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:01 pm

Cool!

I remembered seeing gay couples on some dating game show once or twice, I can't remember which show. But I remember thinking "I wonder how long before they do a gay-themed Newlywed Game?"

I hope this channel ends up on basic or extended cable. Some of the best shows on television are the ones which (among other good things) include gay themes. I think it's because those shows tend to have the best kind of writers -- writers who aren't so inhibited by their corporate sponsors that their work suffers.

Because of the quality programming, the network would likely draw good ratings for cable. In fact, I'd wager that if the Nielsen ratings were analyzed, as many straights would watch the channel as gays!

I wonder if BTvS re-runs will eventually show up on it. What other great shows would y'all want to see re-run on it?

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby Dazey » Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:26 pm

Yeah I don't know. It seems separatist and isolationist to me, and I don't like that. Can't we just have more gay stuff on regular TV? The great thing about W/T is that they're so mainstream. They're sticking lesbianism right in America's face, and America needs some lesbians on its face. Er...in its face.

This seems like a dream for people who'd like to see every homosexual rounded up and, if not shot, sent to live on an island somewhere. I can hear TV execs saying, "Do we really need a gay character on this show? There's a whole channel full of them, that should be enough." "Do we really need Ellen's new show here on [insert name of major network]? Seems like she'd be better off on The Gay Channel." It just makes it easier for society-in-general to ignore us, homogenize us, ghettoize us, whatever-ize us. And I don't like making that sort of thing easy on society-in-general.

I dunno. I don't have any answers. But I do wish they'd do some gay eps of A Dating Story.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby tommo » Thu Jan 10, 2002 2:42 am

I remember when the BBC lauched Gaytime TV. It didn't last very long. Pity really, as some of the features on it were kind of interesting. But I just don't think it was pulling in the audiences to merit continuing to make it. I fear that this might be the case for a gay channel. And I echo Dazey's sentiments that gay programming really could (and in an ideal world, should) be slotted into the regular programming that's broadcast.

I think there's still a long way to go before we see that happen though.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby fell » Thu Jan 10, 2002 4:18 am

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Originally posted by Dazey:
America needs some lesbians on its face. Er...in its face.



Hee! totally.

i wouldn't be too worried about the 'ghettoization' of gay-themed tv. after all, Lifetime and WE have done little more than remind the industry that women need to be considered in programming decisions. there are cable channels which seem to show nothing but 'famous' football games or (my personal favorite) two good ol' boys sitting in a bass boat, and they haven't exactly cornered the market for male viewers.

an all-gay network could be a good thing if it exceeded viewership expectations, which i'm sure it would if done well. for one thing, straight viewers would doubtless vastly outnumber gays.

on another note, it would also give the american taliban something else to go nuts over and show the world once again what a bunch of kooks and idiots they are (remember falwell's anti-tinky-winky rant?)quote:

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby tommo » Thu Jan 10, 2002 4:21 am

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Originally posted by fell:
(remember falwell's anti-tinky-winky rant?)

Well...he was pretty proud of his handbag...

That's Tinky-Winky, by the way, not Falwell. Heh.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby imperfectly » Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:18 pm

Bumping this to add a bit of levity. This is a howler.

Read the Washington Post’s satire on the Gay TV’s programming here.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby stacey_bourgeois » Tue Jan 15, 2002 3:47 pm

We have a gay channel here in Canada called PrideVision but it's not that great. It airs a lot of garbage and it repeats shows over and over again. You can only get this channel through Digital Cable or Sattelite. And even then you have to pay $7.99/month just for this one channel because it doesn't come in any of the packages. I thought it would've been a cool channel but it isn't. Hope your new channel in the States is better.
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New gay TV network in the US

Postby jsr » Tue Jan 15, 2002 5:08 pm

I don't think having a gay channel is a bad thing, or isolationist at all. True, it would be nice if there were more gay characters on network TV. It would also be nice if there wasn't so much crap on TV in general. But these are things I cannot control.

Sometimes I just want to see gay stuff, and rather than wait for the "mainstream" media to get its shit together, I would rather appropriate a portion of my cable bill to a channel that airs programming I'm actually interested in. I would really love to see Chutney Popcorn, Julie Johnson, and Lost and Delirious again without having to buy the dvds. The reality is that a gay channel can offer creative avenues that mainstream media can't or won't. I will enjoy having this alternative in my cabel lineup.

PS -- Stacey: The folks at pridevision are very cool -- I'm sure they would be open to any suggestions on how to make thier programming better.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby Willowgirlieuk » Tue Jan 15, 2002 6:01 pm

Ummmm….ummmmm…I can see the good and the bad sides to this…torn between the too really…

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I remember when the BBC lauched Gaytime TV

I remember that, few years aback I must have been about 16/17, I liked it…that is once I found out about…wasn’t really well marketed…. I saw about 3 episodes before it finished…doh! Only found it by chance! But I thought it was good…maybe it would be better to have a gay tv show like Gaytimes instead of a whole channel!
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New gay TV network in the US

Postby Rally » Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:55 am

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Channel for gays? It's about time
MTV, Showtime have well-thought-out plan

Tim Goodman Monday, January 21, 2002

A cable channel for gays is the biggest no-brainer in television.

African Americans have a channel. The Latino market now has four Spanish- language networks in the Bay Area. There's a food channel, an auto racing channel, a "classic" sports channel, a golf channel -- the list is endless. Why not a channel directed at gays?

The only real question left is, what's taken it so long? Recent stories about MTV and Showtime -- both owned by Viacom -- banding together to launch a new gay-content cable channel were noteworthy mostly because, stripping away the hype, the people behind the project actually seemed as if they were ready to get started.

Tapping into the gay market has been on the TV industry agenda since the early '90s, but no one quite knew how to make it fly. Also, executives at cable channels who thought it would work -- or even those at networks -- took a surprisingly big-picture view of the idea: Though many in the TV industry are gay themselves and knew it would take off in urban areas, would the rest of the country object?

Credit the huge increase in gay characters (and gay caricature) on television for finally convincing industry players that the time is right. You can't flip on a sitcom these days without tripping over the wacky gay neighbor.

The current model under consideration for the gay channel is well thought out in terms of getting past the very real roadblocks to launching a cable channel.

For example, the channel would be digital. Meaning, not only would it be picked up by the satellite channels but, more importantly, cable systems could put it on their digital tier. If a channel -- like ESPN2, for example -- demands to be on the analog system, which means it would be included on most "expanded basic" tiers, many smaller cable systems ignore it because of space restrictions. That's precisely why ESPN2 will never get into San Francisco until the hardware is upgraded.

The proposed gay channel will also be a combination of a pay-cable channel (though much lower than, say, HBO) but also with commercials. This is good business because it keeps hordes of anti-gay special interest groups from derailing the project at the start by striking fear in cable operators across the country. If you don't want the channel, don't buy it.

Secondly, it allows advertisers to specifically target the gay audience. One of the issues heretofore undissected is how dramatically that will change the advertising landscape for major companies that so far have steered away from demographic-precise ads.

But the future of the gay channel, whatever it will be named, rests on the content. Other niche cable channels like the Food Network or the Golf Channel or Speed Vision, etc. -- they all have a built-in audience. Food and golf nuts are going to watch almost anything that's put in front of them.

Gays? Just because you're gay doesn't mean you like what your partner likes.

One couple may love "Queer as Folk" while another thinks it's a patently offensive portrayal of the lifestyle. Are lesbians going to like the same thing gay men are? You see the problem. And the potential.

Whatever incarnation the gay channel takes, it will have to be a "broadcast" channel in the guise of a "narrowcast" niche channel. That could make success much more difficult, but it could once and for all fully flesh out the varied tastes and interests of the gay community. For that alone, gays are obviously thrilled with the idea.

MTV and Showtime are suggesting that the channel could be up and running in about a year, which is optimistic beyond belief. It's not easy to create original programming that quickly. If the channel does launch in that time frame, look for rebroadcasting of feature films with a gay theme, perhaps the first syndication rights to the original "Ellen" show and any TV series that could be a "second-run" option, like "Queer as Folk."

What would be harder to launch are the kinds of talk shows, newscasts, original comedies and dramas that a channel needs to thrive, to make it original. Look no further than the nebulously titled "female genre" to see the pitfalls of niche programming. While Lifetime may bill itself as television for women, there are many critics who say the channel hasn't lived up to its responsibilities. (That argument would be much more fervent, by the way, among gays -- much like many African Americans are disgruntled by the failure of achievement that is BET.)

Here's hoping that it's not just posturing and PC talk from MTV and Showtime and that the full powers at Viacom get busy quickly, because the only thing greater than the excitement in the gay community will be the expectations.

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New gay TV network in the US

Postby lustitana » Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:29 am

Ohh ugh, I gotta agree with stacey about pridevison. Good idea, bad execution. This network features alot of cooking shows, a workout show, most of which are aired on other networks. The only interesting show on there is So Gay TV. Which is primarily aimed at men, but it is freakin' funny.
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New gay TV network in the US

Postby stacey_bourgeois » Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:44 pm

jsr, you know, it's just that they repeat programs over and over and air shows that we can see (for free) on CityTv. And the station costs $7.99/month extra and does not come in any packages. I don't know if they can fix that but maybe if they made their channel worth watching people would be willing to pay it. I considered it but then after getting the free preview, I didn't want to pay the extra because it's not worth it. Do you have an email/website address for PrideVision?

lustitana, isn't So Gay TV going to be gone now that the new Lofters are in place or are they picking up the show? The shows I liked were mainly the movies. The exercise programs were so lame. And you'd get maybe five shows that repeated over and over through out the day.

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