The Kitten, the Witches and the Bad Wardrobe Willow & Tara Forever

by **Hugin** » Sat Oct 20, 2001 10:27 am

This is the new thread in which to post and discuss spoilers for the current season. The original Season 6 spoiler thread was getting very long, and we wanted to give it a fresh start anyway. Why?

The spoiler thread has been, for a while now, unnecessarily hostile. There are two things happening that the mods would like to not see as much in this new thread.

One:
Folks need to stop reacting to spoilers they don't like with such hostility.

Any good spoiler ho knows at this point that in some fashion or another, Willow and Tara are heading for bumpy times sometime soon. And since we love them so, we generally see any "Willow and Tara fight", or "Willow and Tara break up" rumors as a bad thing. Especially since we know there are people out there who have ulterior motives who would love it if W/T were unhappy and broken up. Fine. However, the politeness and respect that we try to maintain on this board extends to the spoiler thread as well.

If you think a spoiler is untrue or inaccurate, you can explain why. If it just makes you unhappy, you can express that too. Be it a spoiler about Willow and Tara, or Willow going bad, or Buffy and Spike, whatever. But keep it civil. Folks (including us mods) have sometimes gotten very snippy in thier posts. That really has to end.

Two:
The folks who post spoilers have got to be a little more realistic about people's reactions.

We (the mods and the general Kitten population) appreciate the efforts of those who dig up spoilers. But by definition, people who deal in spoilers are dealing with information that is percieved to be dodgy. For every nugget of truth, it sometimes feels like there are a dozen wild speculations, premature half-fabrications, or actively malicious lies.

For better or for worse, BTVS, and the Willow/Tara relationship in our case, inspire some terrific loyalty and strong emotions. If some mysterious person has info that threatens that, people are going to be upset. Now, up above we just asked folks to make an effort to be more civil in thier reactions in the thread, but this is a two way street. Unless you're a show VIP speaking in an interview or posting at one of the incarnations of the Bronze, well, anything you say is going to get scrutinized, possibly...strenuously. They aren't attacks on you. And they aren't attacks on your sources, at least not in any personal way, since none of us know these people, they're just one of a hundred voices whispering out there. Smoochies or snuggles spoiler, you get big kudos. Breakup spoiler, you get hisses. It's just the nature of the endeavor.

So far, this has been a pretty good season for our witches. And we hope that spoilers can actually be a good way to help us prepare for any tough times ahead, and give us a sneak peek at good things that hopefully lie on the other side. So here's a shiny new thread. Everyone play nice please. Thank you.

-len

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by **xita** » Sat Oct 20, 2001 10:44 am

I have collected different spoilers from our super long thread and put them in this post. I tried to keep only the relevant ones, ones that aren't too old now. Thanks to everyone who collected them and posted them. If I missed anything, feel free to post it. Let's spoil ourselves rotten now!

the only spoiler space on this thread is this, none needed in any further posts.
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For more info on Man of the Year go to www.lovelessrecords.com."

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From Loveless Records:
Man Of The Year will be in LA this week filming a Halloween episode of 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer.' The band will be playing themselves in a party scene, and the song of choice is 'Just As Nice' from their CD 'The Future Is Not Now.' MOTY had a song appear in Buffy a few years back - 'Silver Dollar' - but didn't actually appear on the show. Obviously the band are very excited and promise 'lots of pictures' from the shoot.
Air date: October 29th
Network: UPN
Lesbian kiss in scene: Yes!!!!
Times lesbian kiss witnessed: Over a hundred times
Song used: "Just as Nice"
Setting: The Bronze. That is the name of the club on the show.
Cast members in scene: (Willow) Alysson Hannigan and (Tara) Amber Benson

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Someone (who I think is very credible) has posted a complete summary of Episode 6, the Halloween episode, on jamesmarsters.com. Here's a link:

spoilers about halloween ep

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For those just tuning in, Coax has been posting copious season-six “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” spoilers since July 4. To precap the first third of the season:
Herc's spoilers:
6.5 “Life Serial.” (Oct. 23) Written by Rebecca Rand Kirshner (“Tough Love”). Buffy, trying to map out career plans, audits Willow and Tara college classes, hauls beams at Xander’s construction site, and sells mummy hands at Anya’s Magic Box. But she’s also enduring all kinds of strange time distortions as the troika looks on.
6.6 “All The Way.” (Oct. 30) Written by Steve DeKnight (“Spiral”). Dawn proves herself a misbehaver, telling Buffy she’s attending a sleepover with friend Janice, but instead riding around in cars and kissing strange boys. Dawn learns she and her sister share similar taste in men. Tara and Willow fight about Willow using her powerful magic much too casually. Willow uses magic to make Tara forget the fight.
6.7 “Untitled Musical Episode.” (Nov. 6) Written by Joss Whedon (“The Gift”). Xander, increasingly panicky about his coming nuptuals, wishes for “a happy ending” and accidentially sets off a truth spell that forces everyone to reveal their secrets in song. Xander reveals he’s nervous about husbandhood. Giles reveals he’s leaving for good. Willow reveals she put the forget spell on Tara. And Buffy reveals she has feelings for Spike.
Some new details on Buffy 6.6:
* Wondering about why Dawn stole Anya’s earrings late last season? A pattern emerges as Dawn steals a shiny coin in The Magic Box. She later confesses to a Justin, an older boy she hooks up with, that she hasn’t paid for lipstick “in like forever.”
* Once the Magic Box completes its very profitable day of Halloween retailing, Xander finally announces his engagement to Anya.
* Now able to talk openly about her impending marriage, Anya speaks of weddings, babies and cars. Xander has difficulty catching his breath.
* Willow is magic-happy. She offers to use the dark arts to tidy the Magic Box, and impulsively makes decorations appear at an impromptu engagement party at Buffy’s house. When Dawn goes missing, she wants to conjure a spell to locate her. Willow invokes a spell that makes everyone in the Bronze quiet. Tara becomes very upset and they argue. “What do you want me to do? Keep my mouth shut?” asks Tara. “That’d be a good start!” retorts Will. “If I didn’t love you so much I would,” cries Tara, storming away.
* Dawn and her friends stumble upon a shady individual who likes butcher knifes and the song “Pop Goes the Weasel.”
* Giles ends up behaving very much as a parent towards Dawn. He also proves himself a hero for the jillionth time when Dawn’s pal Janice’s date won’t respect boundries.

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Originally posted on Fanforum. There are some W and T lines, and if you go to the original source, the B/S Spoiler thread on Fanforum, eventually she will post the lyrics to the W/T song.
spoilers at bloodyawful poet
....(originally posted by Sweetie at Fan Forum...)
EXT. PARK - AFTERNOON
Willow and Tara head for the house, taking a scenic shortcut beneath some trees.
TARA
"Do we have any books at all at home?"
WILLOW
"Well, who wants to stay cooped up on
a day like this? The sun is shining,
there's songs going on, those guys
are checking you out..."
TARA
"What?"
In fact, a couple of good looking college types are giving Tara the once over as they pass at a bit of a distance.
TARA (cont'd)
"What are they looking at?"
WILLOW
"The hotness of you, doofus."
TARA
"Those boys thought I was hot?"
WILLOW
"Entirely."
TARA
"Oh my god. I'm cured! I want the
boys!"
She starts feebly after them, Willow grabbing her arm and spinning her back to her.
WILLOW
"Do I have to fight to keep you?
'Cause I'm not large with the butch."
TARA
"I'm just not used to that. They were
really looking at me."
WILLOW
(smiling)
"And you can't imagine what they see
in you."
TARA
"I know exactly what they see in me.
You."
(sings)
I lived my life in the shadow
Never the sun on my face
It didn't seem so sad though
I figured that was my place
She walks into a pool of sunlight, looking around her.
TARA (cont'd)(singing)
Now I'm bathed in light
Something just isn't right
(turning to Willow)
Am I under your spell?
How else can it be?
Anyone would notice me
It's magic, I can tell
How you set me free
Brought me out so easily
She takes Willow by the hand and they walk, moving in sync; flowing, dancing movement as they make their way through the park.
TARA (cont'd) (singing)
I saw a world enchanted
Spirits and charms in the air
She traces her hand through the air, leaving a fairy-dust trail of light.
TARA (cont'd) (singing)
I always took for granted
I was the only one there
Willow does the same -- her light trail is more spectacular still.
TARA (cont'd) (singing)
But your power shown
Brighter than any I've known
Am I under your spell?
Nothing I can do
You just took my soul with you
You worked your charm so well
Finally I knew
Everything I dreamed was true
You make me believe
Willow takes her, spins her -- and we are suddenly in
INT. WILLOW AND TARA'S BEDROOM - AFTERNOON
As they are still spinning, slowing, settling on the bed, coming closer to each other, close enough to kiss...
TARA (singing)
The moon to the tide
I can feel you inside
Am I under your spell?
Surging like the sea
Pulled to you so helplessly
Tara throws heself back onto the heap of pillows. We stay close on her as Willow moves over her, then back out of frame..."

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BUFFY 6.8 FAQ
What’s it called?
“Tabula Rasa.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Rebecca Rand Kirschner, author of “Tough Love” (the one in which Glory gives Tara the ol’ brain suck).
Does it deal with the aftermath of the 6.7 (“Once More, With Feeling”) the big truth-telling musical episode?
It does!!!
Including what Buffy did to Spike?
Yes!!! (And much, much more.)
What’s the what?
Even TV Guide will likely give away more than this: A spell causes all the Scoobies to awaken in the Magic Box with anmnesia. They don’t know who they are, who their friends are, or that demons and vampires exist.
Is Rupert Giles still hanging about?
Just barely; we are very, very sad to report that this will be Anthony Stewart Head’s final episode. Like Riley, Oz, Angel, Cordy, Faith, Harmony, Wesley, Dru and God knows who else, Giles could easily return at some point, but there are no clues indicating if he will be back, or when.
The big news?
Another shoe from “Restless” drops! Spike spends the bulk of the episode in that tweedy suit he wore in a certain dream sequence.
Any new bad guys this week?
Yes, and the creators are getting very creative with their demons. A fellow named “Teeth” is connected to a part of Spike’s life we will find out about toward the end of 6.5, “Life Serial.”
Have Tara and Willow already moved out of Joyce’s bedroom at this point? Y’know, since Buffy’s back and everything?
No, as the episode kicks off, we see that Casa del Summers remains very much the house of estrogen, with Dawn, Buffy and their lesbian pals all slumbering under the same roof.
Any sign of the Legion of Nerdy Doom?
Jonathan, Warren and Andrew sit the episode out.
Will 6.8 be good?
So good. Spike’s outfit isn’t the only subtle element longtime fans will enjoy. The episode will make you laugh, it will make you cry, it will make your mouth hang very open very wide indeed. And what an ending!!!

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Here are spoilers from TVTome.
Here are spoilers for episodes 7, 8 and 9.
107. Once More, With Feeling
gs: Amber Benson (Tara) Anthony Stewart Head (Rupert Giles)
Panicky about his impending marriage to Anya, Xander accidentally concocts a "truth spell" that causes everyone in Sunnydale to reveal all of their innermost thoughts and feelings in song. When Buffy and Spike learn of their true feelings for each other, they share their first real kiss. Willow reveals in song that she cast a spell to make Tara forget their fight, and Tara decides to break up with Willow as a result. Finally, Giles decides to return to England for good.

b: 06-Nov-01 pc: 6ABB07 w: Joss Whedon d: Joss Whedon
NOTE: The episode's original score and lyrics were written by "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon.

108. Tabula Rasa

The Scooby Gang suffers the after effects of Xander's truth-inducing musical spell, with Giles finally leaving Sunnydale behind for good, Willow and Tara deciding to spend some time apart, and Buffy and Spike dealing with their feelings for each other.

b: 13-Nov-01 pc: 6ABB08 w: Rebecca Rand Kirshner

109. Asylum

When a demon invades Buffy, making it impossible for her to determine what is and isn't real, she winds up in a mental hospital.

pc: 6ABB09 w: Drew Greenberg

Sweetie has posted new spoilers at the fanforum. One of them is very upsetting if true. However, I would take it with a grain of salt, the source sounds shaky and not the same as has given information before apparently. I am posting it cause I am sure it'll make its way here.

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Okay, first I must say WOW. Oh my. I had a feeling all along, but... I dunno. I didn't think Joss would actually do it.
Anyway, I was in the middle of typing out my post to you all regarding the Musical stuff, and a BIG Buffy fan that is good friends with my mom IM'd me. She has lots of connections to inside Buffy scoop, but since we do too (as in you guys), I usually already know the stuff by the time she tells me. She's like met all of the cast a million times (and Joss) and has all these "never before seen" Buffy things - like bloopers and stuff. SO, anyhoo, she IM's me and says she got all kinds of detailed spoilers about the season. Everything she told me, I already knew of course (kind of like the summaries from Herc, just worded differently). Then, she says that she knows who it is that dies this season *my ears perked up* At first she wouldn't tell me, but I begged and begged and she finally did.
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Willow dies.
She couldn't stress enough how reliable her source was, so I definitely believe it. And, if you guys remember, Willow is who I thought it was all along. I thought she would be the most likely to go, BUT at the same time, I didn't know if Joss could AFFORD to lose her. And now that I think about it, I think they can. She becomes TOO powerful. She becomes the season's BIG BAD... as in EVIL. Now, I don't know when, how, or why, but I think knowing *who* will be enough to hold me over until I see it for myself.
She also knows stuff about what Buffy sings to Spike, but refuses to tell me. I kept asking and this is all that she would say:
"I'll only tell you that she confesses that she has feelings for him. SOME feelings for him, that is."
*sigh* I want to know so bad! GRRRRR! But, yeah, I wasn't expecting that... I have all kinds of theories going through my head, that I'll probably expand on in future posts... but for now, I'll just post the rest of the spoilers.
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Here's a summary of the teaser to the Musical:
- The show opens with the camera looking at a closed window shade with light coming through it. It then pans down to an alarm clock, which goes off, and then cuts to Buffy sitting in bed, turning it off. Then it cuts to Willow, Tara and Dawn running around the house, trying to get ready for school or where ever they're going. The camera then walks through the house and pans to Buffy's bedroom... where Buffy is still sitting in bed. Then when it shows Tara, she's making her bed (Joyce's) and picks a feather off of it.
That's all I know of that... (sorry if it's not much)
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A little bit of script:

GILES
What text?
WILLOW
The volumey... text.
TARA
You know.
WILLOW
The... murnenfurm report.
XANDER
The what now?
TARA
We just have a few volumes at the
house that deal with mystical chants,
bacchanals... ight be relevant.
WILLOW
We could...
GILES
Well, I'm a hair's breadth from
investigating bunnies at this point,
so I'm open to anything. ( )
WILLOW
We'll check it out, we'll give you a
call.
TARA
Yeah, this could blow the whole thing
wide open.

I'm not sure if this part is sung or not... I don't think so, but it takes place right before the W/T park scene... so like scene 8 (I'm pretty sure, anyway).

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Okay, I know you guys were asking about where Spike was in his "First I'll kill her, then I'll save her" scene and if anyone else hears him or not and this is all I know:
Spike is by himself singing and no one else can hear him. It's scene 26, which is the one with him and Sweet (but in this specific part he's by himself). The camera starts looking at a dumpster, and it pans across to see spike sitting on boxes (I think the same ones he and Buffy were on in Afterlife outside the Magic Box, but I could be wrong... it could be some random Sunnydale street) Anyway, he starts singing, and then he stands up and walks like two feet. Then they yell "cut" and he does it again.
That's all the info I have on that... *sigh*
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A little bit regarding the demon so you kinda get an idea about what's going on:
Supposedly, there's a scene where a guy (just some random guy) is dancing with this really ugly looking demon by him (who I presume to be Sweet). The guy starts dancing faster and faster and has a very scared look on his face, as if he can't stop. Then he ends up going up in smoke.
So, I'm not positive, but it sounds like the demon... makes you dance until you die?
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Now for Spike in tweed!
Spike is standing outside in this alley (not sure where it's supposed to be). He's with a bunch of funky looking demons (one supposedly looks like a fish). Suddenly, Buffy comes bursting out the door that they're standing near and runs by the demons. Spike, who is dressed in his tweed suit, goes running after her and tries to grab her. Just as he's about to, one of the demons who was chasing him (while he was chasing Buffy) grabs him from behind and stops him. Spike turns around and punches him and the demon goes flying back. Also, while James is rehearsing this scene, he does the head-shaking thing like he does when he's going into "game face". James didn't have any of the vamp makeup on, but his stunt double did.
I don't have any of the dialogue (sorry! wish I did!) but I'm guessing this takes place while they all have amnesia. Otherwise it's one of the last scenes after they all wake up, and Spike just hasn't changed yet. I didn't even know they were done filming the Musical, but I guess they are... *shrugs*

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wiccie
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Registered: Jan 2001 posted October 20, 2001 13:49

Eeelectric...Booogaloo! Whoo-hoo!*G*

Well said, len.

Hey, I heard that they just shot a shower scene with Aly & Amber, but the set dresser forgot to get towels, so being such great pros and improvisors, our gals just started lickin' each other dry and then the director (David somebody) yelled "Cut!", but they *didn't* cut, they just kept on lickin' and...Oh, uh, sorry...that was a dream I had this morning.

If you're gonna have so many fake spoilers, they might as well be fun!

Wasn't there a Top Ten List last year about ridiculous ways that Tara was supposed to die? Maybe I'll go dig that up and just change the name to "Willow".

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Dr.G
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Registered: Jan 2001 posted October 20, 2001 13:54

Heh heh Wiccie, you do know what 'cut' means in Dutch don't ya? Of course we spell it 'kut', but it sounds the same.

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wiccie
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Mornin' Doc G -

Hmmmm....My fluency in Dutch is Less, not More...So, if the young, innocent Kittens can handle it, please elaborate.

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Epicurus
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Registered: Jul 2001 posted October 20, 2001 14:04

I am alittle confused. Don't episodes shoot in sequential order?

Above spoilers say....
Tabula Rasa
6ABB08 w: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
Asylum
6ABB09 w: Drew Greenberg

This was taken from the Bronze VIP archives....

Steve DeKnight says:
(Fri Oct 19 18:41:56 2001209.55.76.100)
Wendy: Thanks for the support! The musical just wrapped. It’s gonna be AMAZING!!!

Steve DeKnight says:
(Fri Oct 19 18:41:56 2001209.55.76.100)
DeAN : Drew’s all about the porn. Speaking of New Boy, they start filming his ep Today. Great script, great guy!

Wouldn't Rebecca's script be filming now?

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Wendy
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Registered: Aug 2001 posted October 20, 2001 14:22

Epicurus, I think I read a quote from James Marsters recently that they were filming 2.5/3 episodes at once (could probably find it in some thread at jamesmarsters.com). My guess is that he meant that they started the soundtrack in the studio for the Musical while they were doing Episode 6, then overlapped some of the filming of Ep. 7 (Musical) and 8. I suspect that the Musical just took too damn long because according to the schedule I made up at the beginning of the season, they were supposed to start Ep. 9 on Thursday anyway (and they could have been delayed because of the Sept. 11 attacks).

My apologies if anything I've said as a Spoiler Provider has come across as defensive. I've never been angry. Just a little ... defensive.

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Dr.G
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Registered: Jan 2001 posted October 20, 2001 14:27

Just add an "n" somewhere Wiccie, and you would get Amber's favourite swear word.

Is it me or does it seems that the spoilers are not so plenty as they were months before the season started? Apart from Willow supposedly dying nothing really substantial past ep 8.

Editing: Wendy, you do realize that despite the occasional hissing (in my case more like growling) as Len so eloquently called it, heh heh, we really do appreciate any spoilers you and the others bring? If not, I just want to say thank you.

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ScoobySnack
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quote:
Originally posted by Epicurus:
I am alittle confused. Don't episodes shoot in sequential order?
Above spoilers say....
Tabula Rasa
6ABB08 w: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
Asylum
6ABB09 w: Drew Greenberg

This was taken from the Bronze VIP archives....
Steve DeKnight says:
(Fri Oct 19 18:41:56 2001209.55.76.100)
Wendy: Thanks for the support! The musical just wrapped. It’s gonna be AMAZING!!!
Steve DeKnight says:
(Fri Oct 19 18:41:56 2001209.55.76.100)
DeAN : Drew’s all about the porn. Speaking of New Boy, they start filming his ep Today. Great script, great guy!

Wouldn't Rebecca's script be filming now?

Most eps do(film in order), but the musical was shot at the same time as other episodes...not all at once, so episode 8 could have actually wrapped before the musical.

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Wendy
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Registered: Aug 2001 posted October 20, 2001 14:59

Thanks, Dr. G. I am a Praise Whore as well as a Spoiler Whore.

Re the lack of spoilage: well, if you ask me, they're a bit behind this year. By this time last year they were wrapping Episode 10 (Marc Blucas' goodbye party), and now they're only starting Ep. 9. They've only broken up to Ep. 11 or 12, so they're in the script writing process. And the last few weeks have involved Joss's Musical filming, so I'm sure there are a lot of people not willing to spill the beans and incur Joss's wrath.

I think it's pretty good to have spoilage up through what they've filmed. In the next week or two, I expect Herc (who obviously has a good source) to come through with Episode 9 info. But he seems to know more than he's saying, and I think he's trying to spill as little as possible so as not to spoil everything. He was able to spill a lot about Eps 5 and 6 because so much of the plots of these eps don't depend on spilling the big news of the first 3 episodes. But later eps may be tricky, especially wrt S/B and W/T and hookups/breakups. So he probably can't say as much.

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Kiwiccan
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This in from Zap2It

A Special Musical Episode of "BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER" (11/6/01)
Fri, Oct 19, 2001 12:49 PM PDT

"Once More, With Feeling" - A demon summoned to Sunnydale forces Buffy and the Scooby Gang to sing their most private - and sometimes shocking -- secrets to one another, on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" airing TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 6 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET/PT) on UPN.

The musical features all-original songs and lyrics written by Joss Whedon ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer" executive producer and creator) for this special episode. All numbers are sung and danced by the cast members themselves. Choreography was designed by Adam Shankman.

Starring are Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy Summers, Nicholas Brendon as Xander Harris, Alyson Hannigan as Willow Rosenberg, James Marsters as Spike, Emma Caulfield as Anya, Michelle Trachtenberg as Dawn Summers, Anthony Stewart Head as Rupert Giles and Amber Benson as Tara.

Guest starring is Henton Battle as Sweet. Marti Noxon ("Buffy" executive producer) and David Fury ("Buffy" co-executive producer) make cameo appearances.

The episode was written and directed by Joss Whedon.

It carries a TV 14 parental guideline.

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Amber FanGirl #1a; May the Amber Force be with you.
Keeper of my own insanity
"I love being a girl, having a girl.." ~as sung by Amber Benson in the UK

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Dazey
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Registered: Mar 2001 posted October 20, 2001 19:44

Hey, it's Electric Boogaloo, not Bugaloo. Let's keep our cheezy '80s breakdancing flicks straight. So to speak.

But thanks for the Saturday morning flashback, len. Ooh...anyone else out there have a thing for that cutie-pie Britchick Bugaloo? Mmmm...the accent...the brown bob....

Maybe it's the sinus medication, but none of what I just said seems to make sense.

Why am I even in this thread?

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tyche
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted October 21, 2001 12:57

Apologies for my past snarliness in the spoiler thread. I love spoilers, but it is hard not too get all emotional when it seems that bad things are in store for W/T. [But I was thinking yesterday, we were all going WAAAAH! when the brain-sucking happened, but it turned out that Tara's ordeal strengthened the W/T relationship, traumatic though it was.]
I'm glad we have a spoiler new thread, too, because the other one was getting so long and hard to wade through...
And Jenny, I hope you feel better soon. You're in this thread 'cause you're a spoiler ho, just like me.

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morgan1707
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Registered: Apr 2001 posted October 21, 2001 14:10

Thanks for the spoilage updates, guys!

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tyche
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted October 21, 2001 14:20

Courtesy of Yahoo! Clubs BuffyUK.
Spoiler photos from the episode 'Life Serial' (complete with altered title card) can be found here.

Wanda is allegedly reporting that Seth Green will NOT be returning for the Hallowe'en ep. Details on message 7218 at Yahoo! Clubs BtVS Passion.

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The Rose
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Registered: Jun 2001 posted October 21, 2001 14:57

The last I heard Seth Green is no longer interested in the role. He says he does not want to be typecast. Even if he did come back, where would he fit in?

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xita
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted October 21, 2001 15:06

Tyche those are caps from the promo. They aren't as such, spoiler pics and the title cards were altered by UPN.

THe seth green thing is very silly. It started because the E online special showed new scenes from the halloween ep this year and old scenes from Fear Itself. Herc assumed that Seth would be back. Duh!

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Warduke
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Registered: Nov 2000 posted October 21, 2001 15:12

Oh god, why can't these people let this go, Seth left, he wanted to leave, he didn't want to play Oz anymore, he won't be back and looking at what Joss had to say about Seth in the Starburst interview, I don't think we'll ever see Oz again. *does happy dance *

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Registered: Sep 2000 posted October 21, 2001 16:38

What's more, at some point this season Tara will move past Oz in terms of being in Willow's life the longest. I'm not exactly sure when that will be from an episode-count perspective, because it depends on which episodes Amber's going to be in. Chronologically speaking, though, it'll be in January. And that's even if Willow and Tara do go through a period of estrangement, since Willow and Oz had some time apart in their relationship as well.

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Registered: Sep 2000 posted October 21, 2001 18:08

Ooh, okay, I'm very excited because though I'm a spoiler ho of long standing, I just got my first ever insider-y, from-the-set spoiler, which I will now spill with no restraint whatsoever!

So. My source (I feel like Woodward already. Or perhaps Bernstein. One of those guys.) was on the set for the filming of some scenes at the Bronze.

She...er*cough* they rather, this could totally be a man or a woman, yeah. Shush you!

They witnessed a scene involving Willow and...wait for it...Amy! Yes, Amy! And not in a little cage either! Human! And...oy, I'm hyperventilating a bit. Okay. Better. (How do you regular spoiler provider people do this?) Okay.

So, Amy and Willow are hanging out at the Bronze, chit-chatting about current events, and two guys come up and ask them to dance. Amy asks if Willow is up for it, and Willow says nah, and Amy snaps her fingers and says something to the effect of "How about someone more your style.", and a person described as a very, very attractive woman comes from the bar. My source...hey, should this source have a secret code name? Mysterioso X? Dark Sheep? Hm. Maybe leave that stuff to the AICN folks....anyway, my source says that the implication they got from the scene was that Amy cast some spell on the woman, who had up till then just been sitting at the bar.

So, this attractive woman goes and introduces herself to Willow, who supposedly babbles cutely under these attentions but eventually turns her down, and Amy seemingly lets her out of the spell and goes off alone to dance with the guys.

A little later, Amy is back sitting with Willow, and the guys come back, but this time they're sort of nasty and grabby on Amy, and Willow objects, and they say something unkind to her ("Back off Ellen" I believe) at which point I'm given to understand that fairly major bit of a magical slapping down starts to occur, though of course the magic stuff doesn't happen in this scene, there are no special effects.

Erm...okay, so my source thinks that this scene is happening in episode 9, though it may possibly be as early as 8, or as late as 10, they aren't sure. But round about in there. The band playing at the Bronze was called Virgil, if that helps nail it down from other sources.

There is no sign of Tara, and no indication that Willow and Amy are anything but buddies in the scene, so it seems like a separation has indeed happened, but no worries about a witchy rebound thing happening. My source gave the impression that overall the scene is funny, but indicative of a lot of very casual magic use without regard for the feelings of other people or secrecy. No one seemed to be dying of cancer, for what that's worth.

Hopefully someone else will get corroborating info to place exactly when this is all happening. Whew. I think I'm going to leave this spoiler stuff to the usual suspects from now on. Thanks Dark Mysterioso Deep Sheep Spoiler X! (too long? Yeah, thought so.)

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Registered: Oct 2001 posted October 21, 2001 18:19

Yikes!! I just knew Amy's be back. I'm still thinking that she - possibly with her Mum! - is going to be the big-bad!

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BBOvenGuy
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted October 21, 2001 18:44

This is actually the perfect time to bring Amy back, because she used to practice magic in the same sort of reckless fashion that Willow's getting into now.

Poor Tara, though. I hope she's the one who gets to stay in the Summers house. Dawnie needs her.

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Warduke
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Registered: Nov 2000 posted October 21, 2001 19:03

WOW Len, now that’s a spoiler

So Amy’s back, I know a lot of people didn’t believe Joss when he said she would be deratted this year, nice to see he didn’t lie this time

Amy also seems to be a perfect buddy for Willow and her abuse of dark magic, just casually casting that spell on that woman and the smackdown they lay on those guys. Some of the speculations about Amy leading Willow deeper into dark magic use seem to be right on the money.

Willow was not interested in dancing with the guys so Amy gets her a girl and Willow is still not interested because of course she’s still completely in love with Tara but I do love that they are showing that even though she turned down both of them, she did babble cutely with the girl but not with the guy…ahh the joy of imagining the faces of the morons who say that Willow’s not really gay when they see this scene but then again is they’re still saying that after all that we’ve seen, we know they’re just doing it for spite…must be hell for them, waiting for Willow to go back to boystown

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Registered: Oct 2000 posted October 21, 2001 19:04

wow len, that's one heck of a spoiler you've got there! i wonder if willow brings back amy to be a companion because she's lonely after tara leaves her...

all i've gotta say is that we'd better get to SEE willow bring back amy, after so many years of wondering when it would finally happen!

oh yeah, and THANK THE LORD (er, joss) that they decided to establish that willow, though perhaps not with tara at this point, is definitely still gay now. that alone deserves a big woo and hoo.

of course, it still breaks my little heart to think of willow in the bronze without tara... they'd better not be broken up for long!

oh and love the new spoiler thread! it was getting a bit hard to remember where i left off in the old one...

edited to add: brian, great posters think alike.

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Registered: Jun 2001 posted October 21, 2001 19:13

Definitely liking the 'still gay now' storyline. The direction of Willow's little adventure reminds me of the 'Bad Girls' ep when Buffy got a real taste of what it meant to be a bad ass slayer. Maybe Amy will be the one that goes too far and helps sober Will up.

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Registered: Jan 2001 posted October 20, 2001 13:49

Eeelectric...Booogaloo! Whoo-hoo!*G*

Well said, len.

Hey, I heard that they just shot a shower scene with Aly & Amber, but the set dresser forgot to get towels, so being such great pros and improvisors, our gals just started lickin' each other dry and then the director (David somebody) yelled "Cut!", but they *didn't* cut, they just kept on lickin' and...Oh, uh, sorry...that was a dream I had this morning.

If you're gonna have so many fake spoilers, they might as well be fun!

Wasn't there a Top Ten List last year about ridiculous ways that Tara was supposed to die? Maybe I'll go dig that up and just change the name to "Willow".

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posted October 20, 2001 13:49 Eeelectric...Booogaloo! Whoo-hoo!*G*

Well said, len.

Hey, I heard that they just shot a shower scene with Aly & Amber, but the set dresser forgot to get towels, so being such great pros and improvisors, our gals just started lickin' each other dry and then the director (David somebody) yelled "Cut!", but they *didn't* cut, they just kept on lickin' and...Oh, uh, sorry...that was a dream I had this morning.

If you're gonna have so many fake spoilers, they might as well be fun!

Wasn't there a Top Ten List last year about ridiculous ways that Tara was supposed to die? Maybe I'll go dig that up and just change the name to "Willow".

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Registered: Jan 2001 posted October 20, 2001 13:54

Heh heh Wiccie, you do know what 'cut' means in Dutch don't ya? Of course we spell it 'kut', but it sounds the same.

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