by GirlyGirl » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:20 pm
by The Partyman » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:23 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Rosenberg:
...For all I know, season 5 never actually ended, and all we're seeing right now is just a continuation of those events on another level...
Well I'm definitely thinking of this season as being the middle of a story:
Season 5 - Season 6 - Season 7
With "Restless" as the prologue, and an epilogue of similar strangeness to come either at the end of season seven or start of season eight (subject to the shows stautus)
quote:by shellybean » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:24 pm
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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"
"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"
"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"
Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"
by Wiccagrrl » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:28 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cachaco:
This must have been so hard for you to write, Tracy! As ever, the Kittens distinguish themselves by their maturity and, um, good sportsmanship. Unlike some folks we know.... coughTensaicoughWendycoughWe will be rewarded in the end, this graciousness is not insignificant in terms of the karmic cycle....
No, Chris, it wasn't real easy to write. And I hate saying "They were right and I was wrong" as much as anyone else.
My point was just that I've seen quite a bit of speculation about how Tara might not be the "real" BSD. But the people who have been banging the concept into our heads all season and who, as far as I know, coined the phrase have been pretty clear they were talking about Tara.
quote:by Karzia » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:56 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Epicurus:
AutumnT, I’m not sure about Tarot but I’m pretty sure there’s an ancient prophecy warning us about the “Evil Lesbian Muppet Murderer”. Joss is really good at foreshadowing. Why couldn’t I have just seen the signs damnit!I am a woman in need of some spoilers.
You guys are cracking me up. First the fasion police and now this. Though ya know, "Lesbian Monster Murders" would make a great fic title;e
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quote:by Rosenberg » Wed Mar 20, 2002 8:21 pm
Do we have enough evil Lesbian cliches in this episode for you? Let's see...Lesbian prisoners, Lesbian raped by woman-hating male, Lesbian goes crazy and threatens to kill people, lover dies, other lover gets shot and dies. Yep, I think the only cliche they missed was the Lesbian gym teacher seducing unsuspecting student in locker room. Maybe they had to cut that scene out because of time constraints.
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by The Rose » Wed Mar 20, 2002 8:39 pm
*sigh* *Goes back to lurking and being depressed.*
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Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.
Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.
Tara: Nobody messes with my girl!
by girlwiththebraids » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:08 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Rosenberg:
For all I know, season 5 never actually ended, and all we're seeing right now is just a continuation of those events on another level. Hey, maybe Buffy is still traversing various dimensions as she travels through the portal. Is it possible that she's currently stuck in some Ultra Hellmouth version of Sunnydale where everyone's flaws are emphasized and distorted and even mundane situations like a leaking pipe are exaggerated to the maximum degree? I wonder if there's a Key to understanding this somewhere?
a KEY to understanding this??? i read that and go back to my prior thoughts that somehow the fact that buffy died instead of dawn created some major dimensional glitch which created season six... it all goes back to the KEY...
"I'm not the key anymore. Or if I am, I don't open anything" --Dawn
somehow, i just don't believe that...
braids
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"Is she your sister?"
"She's my everything..."
"Would that mean we have to snuggle?"
"There's nothing we can't face...except for bunnies."
"It's not a gay thing...I mean...she is...gay...but we don't gay..."
quote:by NLL » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:13 pm
by Warbird » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:16 pm
by Wiccagrrl » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:18 pm
But what's happening? Pretty much everyone seems to be leaving. Anya left town after the wedding fiasco- apparently to come back as a Vengeance Demon. Spike's leaving town. May come back dechipped. Tara? Dead. Willow? Gives in to her rage and grief. Possibly not safe for Dawn to be around. Buffy's so worried she apparently leaves Dawn with Clem.
by Kamil » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:29 pm
It occurs to me that if you toss the *intense* homoerotic subtext in "Thelma and Louise" in, it might be legit enough to work for your list too.
It'd certainly fit the 'crazy'and the
'murders' cliches as well as the punishment by death one.
Ick. Never did like that flick -- although I must admit that I've only seen it once, ages ago. I have issues with one of the actresses. In that watching her emote makes my teeth itch.
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I feel like Spike explaining the Ben/Glory connection. It's just like people to assume a story is over just because the hero is rotting in her grave. Sheesh.
Joss Whedon
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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"
"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"
"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"
Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"
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Please does anybody know when Ep. 20 airs in the U.S.?
ep. 20 should air May 7th or May 14th
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Originally posted by Dreams:
Delurking to add that "Goodbye to You" is also in Michelle Branch's first album "Broken Necklace" which she wrote when she was like 14 or 15 ... and the lyrics in that album are also unchanged.Edited to remove the "not look too deeply into it" because if it turns out that the key to the last two episode lies in the Michelle Branch lyrics, I will feel very dumb. Heh.
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First time posting here... look at the characters who have come to play large rolls in the last three years: Spike, Anya, and Tara... Just a thought
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Originally posted by girlwiththebraids:
a KEY to understanding this??? i read that and go back to my prior thoughts that somehow the fact that buffy died instead of dawn created some major dimensional glitch which created season six... it all goes back to the KEY..."I'm not the key anymore. Or if I am, I don't open anything" --Dawn
somehow, i just don't believe that...
braids
Yeah, I was wondering about that two. . .the key was supposedly so powerful, the entire season 5 revolved around it, tons of people died for it, but as soon as the portal is closed, we never talk about it again? I know that Dawn is human, and the portal could only be opened at a certain time, but this incredibly powerful, old energy that has been protected for so long was only to be used at that one moment at that one place? I feel like the whole issue of the key was dismissed a little too easily. What do we really know about it? Just a thought. . .i know, I'm reaching. . .kittens rock.
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Originally posted by cachaco:
This must have been so hard for you to write, Tracy! As ever, the Kittens distinguish themselves by their maturity and, um, good sportsmanship. Unlike some folks we know.... coughTensaicoughWendycoughWe will be rewarded in the end, this graciousness is not insignificant in terms of the karmic cycle....
I've been reading Wendy's info for a long time and if the above is meant to indicate that Wendy has in any been "immature" and "unsportsmanlike", than honestly, I think that's not fair. As far as I know, all Wendy ever did was be the first to post that Tara was unfortunately going to be the BSD. It wasn't something she made up to hurt anyone; it was legitimate info that she got and reported. Whatever her sources were/are, she has only reported spoiler information that she has every reason to believe is legitimate and truthful.
I was *not* happy to hear that Tara was going to die. It's a rotten turn of events. I don't fault Wendy for reporting it, however, or sticking by her sources when she believes that they're telling her the truth. The accuracy of her information, not just on this point but all season, leads me to believe that Wendy is an honest and believable spoiler source -- even when it's information that I'm not happy to hear.
Back to lurking...
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Some of us, unregistered voice of reason, have very valid reasons for not being pleased with her. AnGelX gave us the same info, backed it up, and was polite. Not concerned about her ego or being first. She was treated well. That's the difference.
I really don't think we need to debate this. I'm pretty damn sure Wendy knows why we feel the way we do.
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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
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posted March 20, 2002 23:32 Please does anybody know when Ep. 20 airs in the U.S.? IP: LoggedshellybeanCool Monster Fighter ------------------
Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"
"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"
"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"
Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"
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posted March 21, 2002 00:12 I was going to post this on that questions thread but thought it might be spoilery. I know this might sound a little dumb, but am I to assume that all those spoilers about Faith dying are false? Because they did say that it'd be Faith and not Tara, and now we all know that it is Tara. Ok, I guess I kinda answered my own question.------------------
Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"
"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"
"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"
Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"
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posted March 21, 2002 00:15 shellybean, I think they're false. As far as I know, we don't have any confirmation that ED is going to be appearing on Buffy or on Angel anytime soon. And we certainly don't know what they might do with her if-and-when she did. IP: LoggedBevBlessed Wannabe quote:
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Please does anybody know when Ep. 20 airs in the U.S.?
ep. 20 should air May 7th or May 14th
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posted March 21, 2002 00:29quote:
Originally posted by NLL:
Please does anybody know when Ep. 20 airs in the U.S.?
ep. 20 should air May 7th or May 14th
quote:IP: LoggedQuesounregistered posted March 21, 2002 00:37quote:
Originally posted by Dreams:
Delurking to add that "Goodbye to You" is also in Michelle Branch's first album "Broken Necklace" which she wrote when she was like 14 or 15 ... and the lyrics in that album are also unchanged.Edited to remove the "not look too deeply into it" because if it turns out that the key to the last two episode lies in the Michelle Branch lyrics, I will feel very dumb. Heh.
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First time posting here... look at the characters who have come to play large rolls in the last three years: Spike, Anya, and Tara... Just a thought
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posted March 21, 2002 00:37quote:
Originally posted by Dreams:
Delurking to add that "Goodbye to You" is also in Michelle Branch's first album "Broken Necklace" which she wrote when she was like 14 or 15 ... and the lyrics in that album are also unchanged.Edited to remove the "not look too deeply into it" because if it turns out that the key to the last two episode lies in the Michelle Branch lyrics, I will feel very dumb. Heh.
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First time posting here... look at the characters who have come to play large rolls in the last three years: Spike, Anya, and Tara... Just a thought
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Originally posted by girlwiththebraids:
a KEY to understanding this??? i read that and go back to my prior thoughts that somehow the fact that buffy died instead of dawn created some major dimensional glitch which created season six... it all goes back to the KEY..."I'm not the key anymore. Or if I am, I don't open anything" --Dawn
somehow, i just don't believe that...
braids
Yeah, I was wondering about that two. . .the key was supposedly so powerful, the entire season 5 revolved around it, tons of people died for it, but as soon as the portal is closed, we never talk about it again? I know that Dawn is human, and the portal could only be opened at a certain time, but this incredibly powerful, old energy that has been protected for so long was only to be used at that one moment at that one place? I feel like the whole issue of the key was dismissed a little too easily. What do we really know about it? Just a thought. . .i know, I'm reaching. . .kittens rock.
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posted March 21, 2002 00:42quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththebraids:
a KEY to understanding this??? i read that and go back to my prior thoughts that somehow the fact that buffy died instead of dawn created some major dimensional glitch which created season six... it all goes back to the KEY..."I'm not the key anymore. Or if I am, I don't open anything" --Dawn
somehow, i just don't believe that...
braids
Yeah, I was wondering about that two. . .the key was supposedly so powerful, the entire season 5 revolved around it, tons of people died for it, but as soon as the portal is closed, we never talk about it again? I know that Dawn is human, and the portal could only be opened at a certain time, but this incredibly powerful, old energy that has been protected for so long was only to be used at that one moment at that one place? I feel like the whole issue of the key was dismissed a little too easily. What do we really know about it? Just a thought. . .i know, I'm reaching. . .kittens rock.
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quote:IP: LoggedJaykunregistered posted March 21, 2002 01:19quote:
Originally posted by cachaco:
This must have been so hard for you to write, Tracy! As ever, the Kittens distinguish themselves by their maturity and, um, good sportsmanship. Unlike some folks we know.... coughTensaicoughWendycoughWe will be rewarded in the end, this graciousness is not insignificant in terms of the karmic cycle....
I've been reading Wendy's info for a long time and if the above is meant to indicate that Wendy has in any been "immature" and "unsportsmanlike", than honestly, I think that's not fair. As far as I know, all Wendy ever did was be the first to post that Tara was unfortunately going to be the BSD. It wasn't something she made up to hurt anyone; it was legitimate info that she got and reported. Whatever her sources were/are, she has only reported spoiler information that she has every reason to believe is legitimate and truthful.
I was *not* happy to hear that Tara was going to die. It's a rotten turn of events. I don't fault Wendy for reporting it, however, or sticking by her sources when she believes that they're telling her the truth. The accuracy of her information, not just on this point but all season, leads me to believe that Wendy is an honest and believable spoiler source -- even when it's information that I'm not happy to hear.
Back to lurking...
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posted March 21, 2002 01:19quote:
Originally posted by cachaco:
This must have been so hard for you to write, Tracy! As ever, the Kittens distinguish themselves by their maturity and, um, good sportsmanship. Unlike some folks we know.... coughTensaicoughWendycoughWe will be rewarded in the end, this graciousness is not insignificant in terms of the karmic cycle....
I've been reading Wendy's info for a long time and if the above is meant to indicate that Wendy has in any been "immature" and "unsportsmanlike", than honestly, I think that's not fair. As far as I know, all Wendy ever did was be the first to post that Tara was unfortunately going to be the BSD. It wasn't something she made up to hurt anyone; it was legitimate info that she got and reported. Whatever her sources were/are, she has only reported spoiler information that she has every reason to believe is legitimate and truthful.
I was *not* happy to hear that Tara was going to die. It's a rotten turn of events. I don't fault Wendy for reporting it, however, or sticking by her sources when she believes that they're telling her the truth. The accuracy of her information, not just on this point but all season, leads me to believe that Wendy is an honest and believable spoiler source -- even when it's information that I'm not happy to hear.
Back to lurking...
quote:IP: LoggedAutumnTSassy Eggs Some of us, unregistered voice of reason, have very valid reasons for not being pleased with her. AnGelX gave us the same info, backed it up, and was polite. Not concerned about her ego or being first. She was treated well. That's the difference.
I really don't think we need to debate this. I'm pretty damn sure Wendy knows why we feel the way we do.
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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
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posted March 21, 2002 01:26 I guess you missed the point. It was the WAY she presented her info here. The way she told us how to feel. The way she repeated the same information when she had nothing new to say. The way after she got called on some stuff she went back and edited all her posts. The way she was offended by skepticism. The way she told us to apologize to her when she was right and we were wrong. Of course you can't read any of this because she conveniently deleted it.Some of us, unregistered voice of reason, have very valid reasons for not being pleased with her. AnGelX gave us the same info, backed it up, and was polite. Not concerned about her ego or being first. She was treated well. That's the difference.
I really don't think we need to debate this. I'm pretty damn sure Wendy knows why we feel the way we do.
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Autumn
I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
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by NLL » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:32 pm
by shellybean » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:12 pm
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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"
"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"
"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"
Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"
by Wiccagrrl » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:15 pm
by Bev » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:29 pm
quote:
Originally posted by NLL:
Please does anybody know when Ep. 20 airs in the U.S.?
ep. 20 should air May 7th or May 14th
quote:by Queso » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:37 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Dreams:
Delurking to add that "Goodbye to You" is also in Michelle Branch's first album "Broken Necklace" which she wrote when she was like 14 or 15 ... and the lyrics in that album are also unchanged.Edited to remove the "not look too deeply into it" because if it turns out that the key to the last two episode lies in the Michelle Branch lyrics, I will feel very dumb. Heh.
[This message has been edited by Dreams (edited March 20, 2002).]
First time posting here... look at the characters who have come to play large rolls in the last three years: Spike, Anya, and Tara... Just a thought
quote:by Grace » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:42 pm
quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththebraids:
a KEY to understanding this??? i read that and go back to my prior thoughts that somehow the fact that buffy died instead of dawn created some major dimensional glitch which created season six... it all goes back to the KEY..."I'm not the key anymore. Or if I am, I don't open anything" --Dawn
somehow, i just don't believe that...
braids
Yeah, I was wondering about that two. . .the key was supposedly so powerful, the entire season 5 revolved around it, tons of people died for it, but as soon as the portal is closed, we never talk about it again? I know that Dawn is human, and the portal could only be opened at a certain time, but this incredibly powerful, old energy that has been protected for so long was only to be used at that one moment at that one place? I feel like the whole issue of the key was dismissed a little too easily. What do we really know about it? Just a thought. . .i know, I'm reaching. . .kittens rock.
[This message has been edited by Grace (edited March 21, 2002).]
quote:by Jayk » Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:19 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cachaco:
This must have been so hard for you to write, Tracy! As ever, the Kittens distinguish themselves by their maturity and, um, good sportsmanship. Unlike some folks we know.... coughTensaicoughWendycoughWe will be rewarded in the end, this graciousness is not insignificant in terms of the karmic cycle....
I've been reading Wendy's info for a long time and if the above is meant to indicate that Wendy has in any been "immature" and "unsportsmanlike", than honestly, I think that's not fair. As far as I know, all Wendy ever did was be the first to post that Tara was unfortunately going to be the BSD. It wasn't something she made up to hurt anyone; it was legitimate info that she got and reported. Whatever her sources were/are, she has only reported spoiler information that she has every reason to believe is legitimate and truthful.
I was *not* happy to hear that Tara was going to die. It's a rotten turn of events. I don't fault Wendy for reporting it, however, or sticking by her sources when she believes that they're telling her the truth. The accuracy of her information, not just on this point but all season, leads me to believe that Wendy is an honest and believable spoiler source -- even when it's information that I'm not happy to hear.
Back to lurking...
quote:by AutumnT » Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:26 pm
Some of us, unregistered voice of reason, have very valid reasons for not being pleased with her. AnGelX gave us the same info, backed it up, and was polite. Not concerned about her ego or being first. She was treated well. That's the difference.
I really don't think we need to debate this. I'm pretty damn sure Wendy knows why we feel the way we do.
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Autumn
I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
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