by Banshee » Wed Jan 16, 2002 8:49 pm
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Originally posted by Swa:
P.S. Banshee, I am registered, have been for some time, but it's not recognizing me for some reason. Does the registration run out? It's been awhile since I last posted, but it's the name and password I've always used.
I do not know, love.. Try reregistering or something..
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by mariacomet » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:03 pm
Swa, truly sorry if you feel like your head is getting bit off for mentioning that it's a possiblity that Tara may die.
As Buffy Fans, hell...as t.v. fans, I think we all acknowledge anything can happen - ESPECIALLY on Buffy.
However this board is frequented by die hard W/T fans. Ever go to a Spike Centric board and say "Everyone pretty much think Spike has Toast written on his forehead."
OR....ever go to an AA meeting and shout "FREE DRINKS on the house."
You're going to get hard looks to say the least.
The folks here, myself included, are deeply invested in Willow and Tara. This board has always been about hope, or postive thoughts/comments for these two characters.
When we hear - yet another - Tara is going to die speculation, everyone gets a little worked up. It's been happening for the last two years - and yes, I'd be lying if I said that AB NOT having a contract does take away some of the security blanket.
It's kind of like hearing a friend might die. On the one hand, IF it is ever going to really happen - yes - I would rather know in advance. But if it all amounts to gossip, then why get everyone upset over nothing?
I realize that you were stating an opinion (your own educated guess) and everyone has a right to do that. But given this board's mission statement, I'm hoping you'll understand the emotional reaction to any such speculation on Tara. Half of the folks refer to Willow and Tara as "our girls."
This isn't a general Buffy site and we have never pretended we do NOT have a bias toward certain characters. We do. We like it that way.
To put this another way and quote Buffy...
'Get on the train or get the hell off the tracks.'
[This message has been edited by mariacomet (edited January 16, 2002).]
by Swa » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:03 pm
quote:
Originally posted by xita:
Swa, I am going to ask you to take it elsewhere, it isn't welcome here, you bring nothing new to the plate. Any new info? New actual sources? Not a friend of a friend who heard on the set, that blah blah blah? I think not. Herc's spoilers? Heard them, Wendy? heard it, Sweetie? heard it too. You have sides that says Tara dies? A script? Ok, then it's time to move on.
Not a problem. I'll be sure that in the future anything I post will be nothing but glowing responses to BBOven's on set reports (since, technially, those are the only real reliable sorces...everything else is hearsay)and I'll never dare to speculate on anyone's spoilers. I see that you've said nothing to anyone else about any of their speculation, which is just mighty convenient, being that I don't post a lot for the very reason that I don't tend to agree with the dictatorship of the board. I guess when I'm here on a daily basis and I say nothing but positive speculation or "fun and joking" fanfic contrivances about Xander and Tito, then I'll be allowed to post again.
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Originally posted by xita:Herc isn't infallible and he hasn't had any new spoiler since about tabula rasa, he's posted what everyone else has. And everyone knows that all the current spoilers are coming from AngelX, no matter what they are saying, plus the sides which we know many people get, thankfully
He's been wrong before:
I never said he was 100%, infallible, or never wrong. I still don't see what the big deal was over my original post, or why it got blown way out of proportion, but again, I'm the only one being chastised when anyone who had a problem, could have just ignored it. They chose not to, they're the ones who hold the posting power, so they're sitting back having a good laugh.
I was never a proponent of Tara dying, I simply stated that perhaps everyone shouldn't get so cocky about the recent sides including Tara in them because a reliable...yes, Herc is still considered reliable by anyone who has followed him long enough...source said that SOMEONE will die in an upcoming ep. Not TARA...SOMEONE!
So, they shouldn't be surprised if the other shoe drops.
That was all it was meant to be, but because I didn't walk in carrying my "Tara/Willow 4-Eva" shirt, it gets turned into a board battle.
Either way, you don't have to worry about me posting anymore, I learned my lesson...Bad Swa, don't defy the Board Monitors or they're favorites with the inside goods.
--Swa
quote:quote:by xita » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:10 pm
[This message has been edited by xita (edited January 17, 2002).]
by AutumnT » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:13 pm
Do we get special shirts?
Autumn
by Swa » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:17 pm
quote:
Originally posted by AutumnT:
I want to be a favorite.Do we get special shirts?
Autumn
No, but I've heard the insurance plan is awesome...they even have dental!
Xita, I will drop it. Even if I got a personal fax from Joss tomorrow stating that Tara was going to die, I wouldn't post it here, because I see the reprecutions of such a thing.
Again, I apologize for anything I said that was offensive. I just stepped back, counted to ten and I now feel much better about it and a bit remorseful for allowing myself to get worked up, when I should have just ignored any responses.
--Swa
quote:by april » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:53 pm
this means that we all get very upset when we hear rumors of willow or tara dying, and we do everything we can to try and disprove them, or convince ourselves they're not true. sometimes we might seem to be doing so to an excessive degree, but that's because THIS IS A WILLOW/TARA BOARD, and w/t are very important to us.
so when people read our disproving/convincing here, and then decide to argue the other side (ie that the death rumor still might be true), of course they're going to run into some animosity. why come to a willow/tara board and try to argue that a rumor of one of them dying is true? what response are you hoping to get? the kitties are very protective of the characters and the ship, and they're going to defend them if anyone posts that they might be in trouble.
this has happened twice now in this thread, and people have gotten their feelings hurt over it. i've been on this board long enough to know that no one here wants to intentionally hurt someone's feelings. we all want to enjoy the haven from other, less friendly btvs sites that this board has created. anyone who is a willow, tara or w/t fan is welcome to post here. just leave your posts that try and convince us why tara will die somewhere else. that way, everyone's happy.
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by ~Liz » Wed Jan 16, 2002 10:52 pm
~Liz
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Buffy: Hot dog surprise. Be still, my heart.
Willow: Call me old fashioned, I don't want anymore surprises in my hot dogs.
--Teacher's Pet.
by Blixxt » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:01 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:02 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Swa:
Even if I got a personal fax from Joss tomorrow stating that Tara was going to die, I wouldn't post it here, because I see the repercussions of such a thing.
I'll take "People Who Just Don't Get It" for $500, Alex...
The point here is not that people are posting "spoilers" about Tara's death. It's that people are posting the same unsubstantiated rumor we've been seeing forever with no new information. If Joss faxed you with information, I'd sure want to know about it, whatever it was. Of course, I'd question how we could be sure it was Joss... but that's just how I am.
I see that you've now fessed up to writing:
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I know all signs are pointing to Tara
But you still haven't answered my question - WHAT signs? This particular statement is what ticked me off more than anything else in your original post, and the fact that you then denied making it didn't help.
As I said before, all the signs I've seen point away from Tara:
You say "All signs point to Tara" and you make it sound like we're a bunch of idiots turning a blind eye to something that's obvious to everyone else. That offends me. A lot. And when you deny it rather than explain it, that offends me more. So come on - What signs? Where are they? Show me the signs.
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I simply stated that perhaps everyone shouldn't get so cocky about the recent sides including Tara in them because a reliable...yes, Herc is still considered reliable by anyone who has followed him long enough...source said that SOMEONE will die in an upcoming ep. Not TARA...SOMEONE!
So, they shouldn't be surprised if the other shoe drops.
Your logic escapes me... There's a big difference between SOMEONE dying and TARA dying. We're happy because Tara's still alive and your response is to say "Someone's going to die neener neener neener?" What's up with that?
We've had speculation about who's going to die in this thread. We've discussed many characters. It's all been speculation, though, because there are no FACTS to suggest that anyone is going to die, let alone that it's Tara. When FACTS come along, we'll discuss them. So far, that hasn't happened.
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I'll be sure that in the future anything I post will be nothing but glowing responses to BBOven's on set reports (since, technially, those are the only real reliable sorces...everything else is hearsay)
Wow, I never realized I had such power. I'm going to make up a completely bogus location shoot report and post it just for you.
Okay, I've been at this too long. Catch you all tomorrow at lunch time...
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by Dr.G » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:03 pm
by ~Liz » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:05 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Blixxt:
Hey Liz, I saw your post, but it was pretty much stuff we've all seen before. Angel X has had that info for a while so we've already kind of discussed it. Things should be fairly interesting in the episodes to come, in any case.
Ok I missed it, my bad....
sorry
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Buffy: Hot dog surprise. Be still, my heart.
Willow: Call me old fashioned, I don't want anymore surprises in my hot dogs.
--Teacher's Pet.
by ~Liz » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:07 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Dr.G:
Bless you Liz, heh, I went back and read them. I seem to have read what is in your IM elsewhere before, as it all seemed familiar. But lets just post back and forth a few times and get this thread to the next page, makes it easier to skip.
Ok, I think I am just a little slow on the ball..it seems everyone else heard all this already LMAO! Looks like I need to get on the ball here.
~Liz
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Buffy: Hot dog surprise. Be still, my heart.
Willow: Call me old fashioned, I don't want anymore surprises in my hot dogs.
--Teacher's Pet.
by morgan1707 » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:47 pm
What's the point in speculating as to who will die? The most credible source we have, AngelX, hasn't said anything about any death in episodes 15, 16, 17 yet. Herc said episode 15 may see a death, episode 16 will be, and now, I've just read this on TBCS, that someone will die in episode 17. Herc's words are NOT the words of someone is confident in their statements, if he was, then he would have told us who is going to die by now. He told us way back in July that Willow would become Season Big Bad, so what's different now?
Did UPN actually say anything regarding Seth's return? From my recollection, it is Wanda who is spreading the news that Seth may return, not UPN. The only other person who even suggested his return was Marti Noxon, who said the only two possibilities for returns were Seth and Marc, and that they couldn't get Eliza to come back.
I'd just chill if I were were you. The chances of a major Scooby being killed off are highly unlikely since we have no secure evidence that a Scooby will die. My bet is if anyone is to die, then it will be a character will Jonathan or something.
[This message has been edited by morgan1707 (edited January 17, 2002).]
by GiftofAmber » Wed Jan 16, 2002 11:53 pm
Second, the reason everyone is so happy that Tara is in 16, is cause her not being in it could mean she was lying in a dumpster somewhere and no one knew she died. (Ok, not exactly, but you get the idea)
Three, I don't like the spoiler slayer very much anymore.
by EricAlan69 » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:10 am
e.
by AutumnT » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:11 am
by judy » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:13 am
I AM TOTALLY BURNED OUT AND DON'T F---ING CARE ANYMORE!
It is so tiresome to come into this thread and read the same arguments over and over again.
Post 1: So and so at XYZ Spoiler Site says there will be a BSD! Or my friend golf partner's accountant's dog met another dog at the dog run who got lost and wandered into the BUFFY set and he barked that Tara is missing from the Buffy set
Post 2-10: OH NO!!!! What if it IS Tara!?
Post 10-35: It won't be Tara... here's why...
analysis/Joss quotes/Marti quotes/philosophical reasons
Post 36-41: Oh, phew!!!! You're right!
Post 42-54: Tito/Xander fest to further relieve tension
Post 55: Hello, my name is Unregistered Voice of Reason and I am here to tell you why you are all in denial and why Tara will die.
Repeat Posts 10-35 and throw in righteous indignation and burning anger.
Repeat the whole cycle five gazillion times.
I have totally participated in this cycle so I am not mocking any kitty who has been upset/freaked out/analyzed minutiae/reduced stress thru Tito/Xander fantasizing etc. But I honestly am starting to not give a rat's ass. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise... because on the off chance that Tara does die I will be so numbed and desensitized to the pain from witnessing the endless battles and carnage that I will be devoid of any capacity for human feeling.
In the meantime this is getting toxic and it feels like we're stuck in a time loop. What if we don't respond to Joe Unregistered next time s/he decides to play devil's advocate? What if we just stick to this thread being about sharing and discussing spoilers that exist (i.e. substantiated info)? That's why I come into this thread in the first place.
Or start a thread labelled TOXIC WASTE: Devil's Advocates vs. Kitties and let the fighting and blood letting run amok in that thread... replant the posts of the "Unregistered Voices of Reason" into that thread so people who want to keep fighting and proving them wrong can do it there. I am just so tired of coming into a spoiler thread and seeing post after post of the same arguments. It takes over everything, eclipses any other news, gets people upset and worked up, and throws the whole thread into crisis mode -- sucking our valuable energy.
If this post pisses people off, well, I'm very sorry. I just cannot take this anymore. And my suggestions are probably totally unreasonable but this has just become unreal to me.
I understand if you wanna delete this.
by xita » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:19 am
by lahabiel » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:21 am
by EricAlan69 » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:28 am
e.
by juri-sempai » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:29 am
"All opinions are created equal and everybody's beliefs are as good as everybody else's. Once you've uttered more than just your mere opinion... you need to support that belief with evidence." So if it's of someones opinion that Tara will die, then they are entitled to think so. But you can't expect everyone (especially those on this board) to share that same opinion and you can't get mad at other people for having a different opinion. Especially if your own opinion is not based on facts disproving other peoples opinions in the first place. Or something. o.o
Oh right. I was going for a light-hearted post. Ummm ummm... to quote Homer Simpson:
"Mmmmmm forbidden donut."
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by xita » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:49 am
by Kiwiccan » Thu Jan 17, 2002 12:50 am
quote:
Originally posted by judy:
WARNING: POSSIBLY INAPPROPRIATE RANT AHEADI AM TOTALLY BURNED OUT AND DON'T F---ING CARE ANYMORE!
It is so tiresome to come into this thread and read the same arguments over and over again.
Oh Judy I am so right there with you. I just wrote pretty much the same thing to a friend (but not the same words and much shorter). I got through about 1 page of the new 3 pages of this thread and thought to myself "this is it! I've had it! Who gives a flying F*** anymore?!? Joss could come down from his place in heaven (or wherever) and sit on my lap and tell me all about the remainder of the season. I would toss him on his ass and tell him I will believe it when I see it!"
BUT I do come back to this thread just in case there really is something good to read. After all I AM A SPOILER HO to the end!!!
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