Complete Spoilers Thread - S6E14 - "Older and Far Away"

[Wiccagrrl]

Oh, this looks *so* good. Strong Tara standing up for her girl. Sigh. Love Tara teasing Spike. (and I am pretty sure it's Tara- why would Anya be goading Spike about him and Buffy, and why would she say she's no judge of cute guys? Tara makes sense there)

Happy Kitten here.

[tommo]

Garfield, I'm in hearty agreement with you there love. It would make sense for Tara to say this line, especially with her not being much for the timber, heh.

God, I'm so excited about this. It's like, how friggin' long have we been waiting? How long?

And to see Tara so stridently sticking up for her woman like that; I swear, she's so in love with Willow...and Willow, wanting to look nice for her Tara.

Have say, props to Buffy for wanting Tara at the party. Little Slayer matchmaker that she is...it's about time eh?

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Sweetie...I'm a fag.

[SeanGaffney]

I don't think it had all that much to do with Willow or matchmaking, IMO - I think Buffy invited Tara there as a friend, as they'd bonded over the Spike thing. I think this, seeing Tara as being more than just Willow's girlfriend in the Scoobies' eyes, is just as fabulous as all the yummy W/T scenes.

--SG
--mmmm... yummy W/T scenes...

[Scout]

I'm just happy that someone finally thought to ask Tara how she was doing with all this breakup stuff.

[The Rose]

This sounds like an outstanding ep!!!!

We are that much closer to W/T getting back together.

Tara needs a drink? Could this possibly be because she is EXCITED to see Willow.

I am so glad there is no B/S sex this week. I do not know how much more I can take.

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Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.

Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

Tara: Nobody messes with my girl!

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[xita]

I think Buffy is sort of matchmaking, she of course wants Tara there but she also makes herself scarce to give our girls some time alone.

[Ange]

I do love all the W/T moment.
But i think that Anya is going to bug me in this episode.
I'm gonna be really mad at her, when she's gonna attack Willow on magic. Happily Tara is there, but still.
Bad Anya!!

Ange.

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[KittyKo]

Hmmmm, Leoff's wildfeed. *munch munch*
I'm so excited, this episode looks so good! And yay for Tara and Willow interaction *sigh*

[Scout]

I actually had more of a problem with Xander in the wildfeed. Anya is still newly human and very emotional under stress. I could see her breaking down in a life-and-death situation and jumping on someone if she felt that her life or Xander's life was in danger.

But Xander - I guess I'll just have to see how it plays out, but I would have expected more from him since he is one of Willow's best friends. Saying that she can use a 'little' magick to bail out their butts is just wrong. With friends like that, you aren't going to stay on the wagon for long. Maybe it will come across differently once I see it, but I was disappointed that he sided with Anya in this situation.

[Reyna]

uhh i thought i said it was tara who said he's cute. sigh...all these names to keep straight in my head...

[Dr.G]

Well there are only two names here that are important to remember: Willow And Tara

[EricAlan69]

Regarding Xander and Anya's thoughts on whether Willow should use some magic to get them out of the dilemma....

Remember, again, that Willow's problems are a metaphor for drug/alcohol addiction. Anya is that friend who just doesn't quite get the concept of not being able to ever drink/use again (i.e., the whole concept of addiction), and her reaction in regards to it being Willow's fault supports this. You get that kind of blaming & misuderstanding of the disease from some people (even people VERY close to you) in the beginning of recovery.

That Xander backs her up works, too, especially because of the fact that Xander's father is an *actual* alcoholic- it's the blame game (and it also works for him because he's backing up his fiancee'). It may make you want to slap Xander and Anya, but trust me, I went through these EXACT same reactions from people when I first got sober:

"Oh, come on, you can have just *one* beer, can't you?"- a friend.

"Well, no I really can't. I'm addicted to alcohol, and you saw how out of control I got."- me.

"Well, that's your *own* fault for not being more careful!"- same friend.

'Earth-People' don't understand that addiction to something doesn't have a damned thing to do with choice and willpower.

(We call people who don't have the disease of addiction 'earth people', because we're obviously from another planet.)

People are usually glad that you're sober, but when they realize that you cannot be the same person you were before, they resent it. Change sucks.

Sorry for the rant, my Kitties!

love and witchie-chix,

e.

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[Dr.G]

Well I guess I am an earth person, but I am quite sure I never claimed people who are addicted are from another planet, and I have known and still know quite a few up close and very personal.
Unfortunately I am not surprised Xander backed up Anya in this case, but like Scout I find it troublesome (paraphrasing a bit) that he did. Most certainly *not* what Willow needed, but it did give Tara the opportunity to stand up for Willow in a big way, so that makes me almost forgive Xander for stepping on that crystal in Tabula Rasa.

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[BBOvenGuy]

I knew this business with Willow and magic would come up. I knew that sooner or later there was going to be some sort of predicament where everyone who had been saying "rah rah Willow you can give up magic" would suddenly start picking on her to cast a spell "just one more time." It was inevitable, because Willow's magic so often made things awfully convenient. Willow's problem is that she's constantly feeling insecure and is constantly seeking approval. She never would have gotten hooked on magic if magic wasn't a way she could give people what they wanted and thus have them approve of her.

How great was it, then, to have Tara show up and stand up for Willow at the crucial moment? If Tara hadn't been there, Willow probably would have given in, and then we'd be on our way down Herc's beloved Dark Willow path. Instead, I think we're well on the way to a W/T reunion.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

[Rally]

quote:

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:

How great was it, then, to have Tara show up and stand up for Willow at the crucial moment?

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It also defuses a number of rumors / speculation that were spawning from the perception that Tara was not being supportive of Willow.

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"Everyone's getting spanked but me."quote:

[Scout]

quote:

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
How great was it, then, to have Tara show up and stand up for Willow at the crucial moment? If Tara hadn't been there, Willow probably would have given in, and then we'd be on our way down Herc's beloved Dark Willow path. Instead, I think we're well on the way to a W/T reunion.

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What was also great was this wasn't Tara hearing from someone else that Willow was doing well, it was Tara getting to see for herself that Willow has come a long way and that she can hold up under very difficult circumstances. Definitely helps to rebuild some of Tara’s trust.

But Bob, if what you say is accurate about Willow giving in eventually, doesn’t that mean there is still an underlying problem. Tara won’t always be around to ‘save’ Willow at the most crucial times. Even if Willow is strong in fighting temptation, won’t she eventually have to address some of her insecurities in order to be able to get out of those situations without Tara’s intervention?

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[Reyna]

you know seeing the stuff i wrote this morning (230 am by the way) i cant believe i wrote any of that. Honestly, first off i sure as hell dont use the word "whilst". where the hell did i get whilst from?

good golly gee!

by the way, i totally enjoyed this episode. it was very sweet and very good to see those girls together in one room talking. Seeing Tara stutter is about as nervewracking as it is sexy. Amber pulls off both nicely.

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Scout:
Bob, if what you say is accurate about Willow giving in eventually, doesn’t that mean there is still an underlying problem. Tara won’t always be around to ‘save’ Willow at the most crucial times. Even if Willow is strong in fighting temptation, won’t she eventually have to address some of her insecurities in order to be able to get out of those situations without Tara’s intervention?

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Oh, absolutely she will. Willow is by no means out of the woods. She took an important step, but she still has a way to go. I would guess that Tara feels that way as well, since there's been no move on her part to get back together yet.

I've been predicting that we'd have one more episode this season where Willow would be brought to some sort of crisis point, after which she would be recovered enough for her to get back together with Tara. Not fully recovered, because there's no such thing, really, but recovered enough for Tara to feel safe in the relationship again. A fully-formed treatment of the subject would probably spread the story out over several episodes, but considering that this is Buffy the Vampire Slayer and not The Lesbian Witch Hour, I figure one episode's worth is all we'll get.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)quote:

[wiltar]

All I can say about this ep so far is:

(and that about another 10000 times)

Patricia

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"What are they looking at?"
"The hotness of you, doofus!"

[AutumnT]

quote:

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
but considering that this is Buffy the Vampire Slayer and not The Lesbian Witch Hour, I figure one episode's worth is all we'll get.

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I want to watch the Lesbian Witch Hour.

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Autumn

I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.quote:

[Hugin]

You, me, the rest of the board, and Charlie Sheen Autumn.

-len

[circe]

Hey everyone....!

I already read Leoff's report! Fabu as always...

I also got an email that Dori's Wildfeed is up too.... Love hers as well, she does more character conversations... her reviews are at TabulaRasa... at
www.btvs-tabularasa.net

I also get her review under a couple of the spoiler sites I subscribe to...

yes I am a spoiler 'ho...sigh

circe

[xita]

Tara crossing her arms, standing up for Willow, it's just so sigh worthy. And I am dying... to see some pictures now

[Ange]

Like you xita, i'm dying to see some pictures too.

Ange.

[BBOvenGuy]

Another thing about crossed-arm Tara, standing up for Willow. "You're gonna have to go through me" is exactly what Buffy said to Tara's father when he tried to take Tara away. The wheel has turned and now Tara is able to stand up for Willow in return.

Nifty, eh?

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

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[xita]

It's what I have always said. You know it goes back, now Tara can take care of Willow and Willow can show she needs taking care of as well. She doesn't need to be brave all the time. It's like the way she was always holding Tara in bed, it's time for Tara to hold Willow and be brave for her as well. It's a balance... and yes i am glad we got this episode so that this week I won't be reading on USEnet how Tara and Willow are obviously over. Oh, who am I kidding, they'll find something.

[BBOvenGuy]

Of course they'll find something, Xita. I can see it now...

"Well, you see... all that teasing Tara was dishing out on Spike... she's obviously caught on to the hotness that is the Spikester. Yeah, yeah, I know you say she's gay and all, but Spike is just soooo hot... How can she resist? So... then Buffy gets all jealous and says 'Get your hands off my man, you fag!' and then they get into this big fight. And... and... Willow walks in just at the wrong time and... and KILLS TARA! But of course she doesn't think she's the one who killed Tara. She thinks Buffy did it because they were fighting over Spike. So that's when Willow decides to go back to dark magic and get all paybacky, and that's when WILLOW BECOMES THE BIG BAD!!! IT COULD HAPPEN!!!!"

Don't be surprised if this shows up on Ain't-It-Cool-News tomorrow...

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

[Hugin]

I have to say, aside from the wonderfulness of the W/T stuff, this episode isn't doing all that much for me on the page. We'll see how it looks onscreen.

-len

[Reyna]

yeah this episode is subdued i guess. only xander and anya kinda kiss. no big sexual tension. more like a beginning episode. the monster stuff and the wish stuff seems to be kinda secondary anyways when you take into account tara and willow working out their problems. That's why i watched it and that's what i was looking forward to. Dawn and her pain is understandable but last time i checked all teenagers felt that way. Every single one. so no biggie on that.

the sword and the demon was kinda cool with the sfx.

but i did like this episode. i was desperate for some taraness and willowness in the same roomness...

Reyna

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[shellybean]

YAY!!! this episode sounds so awesome!! you always gotta love Buffy's birthday celebrations. and the Willow/Tara interactions! Tara sounds so great in this ep. Her moments with Spike and Buffy sound hilarious, and standing up for Willow!!! is it Tuesday yet??