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Postby Zahir » Thu Dec 20, 2001 10:48 am

Reconstruction tends to be oversimplied. Yes, there was a real element of vengeance in the air (which Lincoln--master manipulator that he was) probably could have mitigated a great deal. But there were plenty of idealists as well, trying to redress the inequities of Southern society. It was during Reconstruction that blacks were first elected to state and federal office. Once it ended, that didn't happen again until the 1960s or so. This is because (in part) of an equal amount of vengeful feeling in South.

People also tend to get hung up on "What was the cause of the Civil War?" I still hear people arguing slavery had nothing to do with it, that the war was about States' Rights. While they have, imo, a point these folks are missing a vital detail--without the irreconcilable difference of slavery, differences between the two sides likely would never have gone as far as full warfare. When Ken Burns' series The Civil War orginally aired, I recall some historians taking it to task for bemoaning that no compromise was ever found to prevent the bloodshed--specifically, for not suggesting what that compromise might have been. That seemed to be the point--no compromise was possible.

(Before I shut up, for now, I'd love to quote how Thomas Jefferson described slavery, in a way that pretty much summed up the problem for the South: Slavery is like holding a wolf by the ears.)

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Postby xita » Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:16 pm

I wanted to repost this here from the spoiler thread for those unspoiled who are interested in this subject. Dumbsaint kindly brought it for us to read. Joss posted at the upn bronze:

me talkin'
Posted by: Joss - Dec 20, 2001, 10:11 PM
Hey-oh. Just thought I'd log long enuf to say, new show, cool, but the rumors of my demise re: buffy are greatly exaggerated. I've got every ep for this season figged, as well as the main thrust of next season. Still keepin' the faith, wanted you to know.

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Postby SJ » Sat Dec 22, 2001 2:56 am

This new series sounds interesting. I think Joss will be able to juggle all the shows he's working on without them suffering. Just knowing that he has some of S7 already worked out makes me less worried about that.
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Postby Katharyn » Sat Dec 22, 2001 3:22 am

Thanks for transplanting that Xita! Good to know the man is aware of the rumours and what he thinks of them. Of course we knew that he must have still been planning ahead... otherwise how could we look back at the foreshadowing later and go "ohhh!"

Katharyn

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Postby Superstar » Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:51 pm

Hmmmm...all these people saying it ought end after season 7. I can understand the sentiment, I certainly wouldn't want to see the show become a shell of itself. But I wonder if as the time approaches and I am faced with the concrete prospect of No More Buffy that I might blink.

Anyway, I don't think that a tv series neccesarily has to die of old age. Joss has kept things fresh by adding new and interesting characters, and I think it is entirely possible that he could keep doing that. A male friend for Xander, a role once filled by Oz and to a lesser extent Riley. Or a new Giles-like character. Or someone from Tara's past, giving her character some needed illumination. Or make Jonathan a recurring character, to fill the comic relief niche. There are plenty of possibilities.

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Postby kissystarcowboy » Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:32 am

i agree w/ whomever has said that the X-Files is suffering due to Chris Carter's narcissism. The show should have ended when David decided to leave. I hate the way the show has fallen apart.

I don't think replacement characters are quite the answer... newer, younger characters tend to bother me and I mourn the loss of the actors who have left. I also operate on the assumption that S7 will be the last. I'd love it to go on longer though... Though what will everyone be doing when they've all graduated from college?

i'm really really going to miss btvs when it ends. i don't much like angel... joss should make a series about willow and tara though!

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Postby Caillin » Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:20 am

I think calling Chris Carter a one-trick pony is rather misleading. He had another show with three seasons that was widely ignored: "Millenium." It blew X-Files out of the water, IMO. It was very dark, very spiritual, very heart-wrenching. The Fox network never liked it much, and really fucked the show over as far as its advertising went, they more or less refused to promote it and eventually cancelled it. A pity X-Files wasn't cancelled instead.
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Postby AutumnT » Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:37 am

quote:
Originally posted by Caillin:
I think calling Chris Carter a one-trick pony is rather misleading. He had another show with three seasons that was widely ignored: "Millenium."

Chris Carter actually had very little to do with that show. He completely abandoned it to Morgan & Wong during the second season and Spotnitz had more control during the third.

There's also a very good reason behind so many of the 1013 staff abandoning and coming over to Mutant Enemy where writers are actually respected.
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Postby Willowlicious » Fri Dec 28, 2001 1:45 am

Just thought I'd post this little blurb from USA Today. Mostly the same info....


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Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon is turning his sights on outer space with a new Fox series slated for next fall.

Firefly, an hour-long sci-fi action drama set about 600 years into the future, centers on the crew of a small transport spaceship that takes on odd and sometimes criminal assignments. But no aliens.

"I'm playing it like a Western landscape rather than be overawed by it," says Whedon, who executive-produces both UPN's Buffy and its spinoff, Angel, for WB. "And I wanted to do a show about people who are not 'super,' just working-class people, the people history steps on." Fox has committed to air 13 episodes of the new show sight unseen, an increasing rarity reserved for top producers.
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Postby judy » Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:36 pm

This is from FilmJerk.com and is supposedly descriptions of characters for FIRELY. Don't know how legit or reliable these are and the author seems to have the developmental level of a teenager just discovering sex for the first time but hey...

So Joss Whedon has a new series being developed for Fox. And everyone and their dog have reported on the same boring information. Yes, its set 400-500 years in the future on a transport ship that lights up its ass. Hence the name “Firefly.” Yes, we know it’s supposed to be a western show in space that parallels the U.S in the south during Reconstruction after the Civil War. But what about the fucking characters? Your darling little Long Island Lolita has come through again, with fucking fabulous character descriptions for Joss’ new show.

First off, we have the captain, Mal. Witty, nihilistic, and angry. He fought against the Unification of the Planets, and lost. Now he’s stuck on the Serenity where he transports goods and passengers. Not to mention smuggling, theft, illegal salvage, and anything else that’ll make him money and keep the ship flying. He does, however, have the somewhat Southern gentlemen deep within; no murder, no kidnap, and no slave trade, though he will shoot a man if he’s pushed to. Trusts practically no one, and has no institutions. Basically, your gruff, jaded captain who is pissed that he lost the war. I mean, his name means “bad” in French, so what did you expect?

Next we have Zoë, who served with Mal in the war, and now works as a mercenary, smuggler, and thief. This bitch would follow him to hell and back. She’s quietly serious, and a badass, though not mannish. Sounds like Zoë and Mal are meant to be, right? Well, they would be, if not for her husband:

Yes, her husband, Wash, the pilot. (What were they thinking with these names? Wash? And it gets worse, trust me). He’s unassuming, self-deprecating, and not the fiery hero type at all. His only redeeming qualities are that he’s the pilot, and he’s banging Zoë. Though Zoë is fiercely loyal to Mal, she adores Wash, because he’s calm, nurturing, decent and funny. And a CHUMP! You know she wants to ditch this guy and fuck Mal until the planets UN-align.

Next, these characters start to get good. We have Inara, who is elegant, educated, and lovely, every inch a lady. She’s also a whore. (Yeah! Whores in Space! I like this!) Well, the term is “companion” which is basically a courtesan. She maintains her own space, a shuttle on the ship, and only fucks the high class and decent clientele. Prostitution is legal on almost all the planets (What a world!) and she is nicknamed the “Ambassador” by the crew, since most planets are loath to dock a ship without a decent companion aboard. She is a good citizen, working towards retirement, though why she’s working border planets and not something more respectable is a mystery. She doesn’t fuck the crew, though she does like and interact with them. She and Mal don’t get along, but then, Mal doesn’t get along with anyone.

Then we have Kaylee, the ship’s mechanic. She is young, chubby, sexy as hell, and relentlessly cheery. She loves life, and loves the ship, which she could take apart and put back together. (God, if I were stuck on a small ship with this girl, I’d end up killing her within a day.) She’s a brilliant mechanic, and couldn’t imagine a better life than keeping this boat afloat.

Then there is Jayne, a mercenary, pure and simple. Big, tough, unpleasant and untrustworthy. Would probably sell them all down the river if he saw an angle, but for now likes the pay and the danger. Good in a fight, but definitely a liability. This character would be great, except it’s a MAN! This has so been done! On “Andromeda” the character of Tyr Anasazi is basically the same thing. And the only thing redeeming about him is that he’s completely yummy, so I hope they cast an equally yummy piece of man for the part of Jayne. Jayne is only going to be in 7 of the 13 episodes.

Next up is Simon, a rich, privileged doctor raised on one of the central planets. He was definitely for the Unification of the Planets (He’s a damn Yankee! HAHA!) which puts him in direct and constant opposition to Mal. (No, they’re just going to get along like best buds. Of COURSE they’re going to be bickering like an old married couple.) He’s young, good looking, and naïve, but tough as nails when it comes to protecting someone he loves.

And that leads to River, and extremely smart, severely disturbed and borderline psychic chick. She can’t see the future, but she can tell what most people are thinking, and has no more control over blurting out other people’s thoughts than she has over her own. She’s close to schizophrenic when she arrives, but the sense of family on the ship and a ton of medication help her to become more stable, though never normal. Apart from her psychological trauma, she’s a teenager so her emotions are always a little high. Okay, quick break. When I read this, I thought Joss Whedon had spied on me and taken all my charming features to use for this twisted sister. He forgot one thing though; my insatiable sexual appetite.

And last, and certainly least is the boring priest, or “Shepard” Book. Book is older, has been out in the world for a while, so he has a monk’s naïveté about affairs. He is aboard Serenity to see the universe, and spread the word of God, not as a missionary imposing it, but as a humble man hoping to bring hope. Though gentle and bemused, he was a man of the world in his youth. Useful in almost anything, great with his hands, even good in a fight if he thinks it’s worthy fighting. Is most comfortable with Inara, since they’re both educated. Sounds like a total snoozer, and another character from “Andromeda;” Rev Bem.

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New series for Joss - Firefly

Postby xita » Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:38 pm

well if there's a whore on board, the show can't be that bad.
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Postby Kalita » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:10 am

You said it, xita.

Sounds half-decent. Granted, I'd watch almost anything Joss-made, but this has me intrigued, so we're going somewhere.

Okay, I'll come back when I'm actually awake and give an intelligent response...

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Postby silverangel » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:20 am

Workaholic much? Does the man know no boundaries? Not that I'm complaining. Always looking for latest installments to the genius that is Joss. This series sounds great, I can't wait.

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Postby Lily » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:21 am

just putting in my two cents in the yay for whores chorus
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Postby EricAlan69 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:23 am

quote:
Originally posted by xita:
well if there's a whore on board, the show can't be that bad.

Thank you, xita, for making me snarf my juice. I love this board for the laughter it brings, but you guys are *hell* on my keyboard! Do they make these things waterproof?

Also, while I can make no claims for the veracity of FilmJerk.com, nor for this article specifically, it certainly *sounds* plausible to this writer, based on all previous information. FWIW.

love and witchie-chix,

e.

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Postby Hemiola » Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:19 am

Hmmm...sounds questionable as to accuracy. How could he/she know these things at such an early stage of the show's development?

Anyway, the whole "companion" idea is not new--does anyone else remember the "socialators" from "Battlestar Galactica"?

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Postby Dr.G » Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:28 am

What? There were whores on Battlestar Galactica? Hee hee.
I missed that, but then again I was about 9 years old when I watched it and I had a big crush on Apollo, and Athena as well come to think of it. Anyway, I will rewatch it if they ever re-run it here.

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Postby AutumnT » Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:33 am

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Originally posted by Hemiola:
Hmmm...sounds questionable as to accuracy. How could he/she know these things at such an early stage of the show's development?

I've gotten the impression that the pilot was already shot or shooting. The script is definitely done for it and they've also done casting.

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Postby Kakamabee » Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:44 am

Well i have a question about the new cartoon series. How are they going to portray Willow and Tara's relationship. Is it going to be like a sailor moon type thing where they turned sailor uranus and sailor neptune into cousins or something. I mean we all kno they were lovers but anyways. Or is it going to be like sabrina the tteenage witch? If anybody has seen Tom McFarlen's Spawn series on HBO (i think thats how you write his name) youll see it can be done. That series is seriously not for KidsWB or the Disney Channel

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Postby Dr.G » Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:51 am

I think Joss Whedon would grow little horns before he would turn Willow and Tara into bloodkin in any reality. Which is my way of saying *no* way.
Anyway Tara will not be in the BtVS cartoon series as it is set to take place during the highschool years.
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Postby tommo » Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:18 am

quote:
Originally posted by xita:
well if there's a whore on board, the show can't be that bad.

Once more, xita, you have the ability to sum up so much into so little. And um, I've heard much the same thing said about the kitty, although it was more like, "Well if there's whores on the board, the place can't be that bad."

Heh.

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Postby Zahir » Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:59 am

I like space operas and the idea of Joss doing one has me all flutter.

Yeah, the attitude of those reviewers does come across as somewhere around the emotional range of fifteen...

And I'd point out that while the elements of the show as described--the kick-ass Mercenary, the travelling Man of God--have been seen before, its how you use them that makes all the difference. After all, Shakepeare's Hamlet was one of over a dozen on the same subject...

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"O let my name be in the Book of Love.
If it be there, I care not of
That other book Above...
Strike it out! Or write it in anew.
But let it be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam

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Postby Katharyn » Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:57 am

quote:
Originally posted by Zahir:
I like space operas and the idea of Joss doing one has me all flutter.


Yeah, I think it could work very well. He certainly has the imagination required to give what, on the face of it, is an old idea a new twist. I don't think he'd be satisfied if he couldn't bring it to his own standards, and despite the fact that he is of course "The Great Joss" Fox are not going to bite and fork out without something good on the drawing board. At least in theory.

Katharyn

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Postby AutumnT » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:15 pm

This was posted over at Cross & Stake's board as being off the scifi wire:

Fillion To Star In Firefly

Nathan Fillion has been cast in the lead role of Fox's upcoming SF series Firefly, from Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Fillion (Two Guys and Girl) will play Capt. Malcolm (Mal) Reynolds in the series, which has a 13-episode commitment from the network.

Set almost 500 years in the future in a newly established Union of Planets, Firefly centers on Reynolds, the owner and the captain of a small "Firefly"-class transport spaceship named Serenity. The time period in the series is a version of the post-Civil War Reconstruction era, with Reynolds as a disillusioned war veteran. "He's a very dark, driven guy," Whedon told the Reporter.

The spaceship for Firefly is currently being built on the Fox lot, where the series is scheduled to begin production in early March. Firefly is set to premiere in the fall, with a two-hour pilot written and directed by Whedon. Speculation is that the show might inherit The X-Files' Sunday 9 p.m. timeslot.

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Postby EricAlan69 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:19 pm

Well, pending a comparison of the times-of-posting, I'd say that FilmJerk.com apparently got it right.

I'll go out on a relatively sturdy limb and assume that FilmJerk got casting sides.

love and witchie-chix,

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Postby the literary exterminator » Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:27 am

New cast info.

Edited to add: Adam Baldwin is not a ``Baldwin'' in the traditional sense, so there's no need to be scared.

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Postby tyche » Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:40 am

Heh. I always had a soft spot for the Baldwin brothers myself. Apart from Alec, who does nothing for me. Not a bad actor if he's playing slimy parts, though.
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Postby Hemiola » Fri Feb 15, 2002 11:11 am

Now hold on a second there, tyche! I'm not exactly a fan of Alec Baldwin's, but you have to admit that he was quite good in--

1. "Beetlejuice"--very appealing as Gina Davis' husband.

2. "Hunt for Red October"

3. hosting "Saturday Night Live"

Credit must be given where it is due .

"Firefly"--as an unrepentant Trekkie who also watched "Babylon 5", "Farscape", and "Andromeda", I will be very interested to see what sort of "twist" JW gives to his show. My guess would be that it's going to be a lot more about human emotions/interactions than about hardware and special effects.

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Postby shellybean » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:42 pm

I need to agree with most and say that I'm happy for Joss but I feel like he's stretching himself a little too thin. I want to be selfish too and say that he should be concentrating more on Buffy and Angel instead of taking on yet another project. I do hope that its successful, but in the back of my mind I kind of hope that it isn't so he'll get to get back to the basics of Buffy. the quality of some of the eps isn't the greatest this season and I feel like its because Joss isn't around enough.
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Postby lion + dove » Mon Feb 18, 2002 1:54 am

okay I looked up Jewel Staite and Adam Baldwin.

some websites for 'um: www.jewel-staite.com
and for those of us who like it easy, two links directly to photos:
recent publicity photo (not exactly blonde and chubby but interesting looking): http://www.jewel-staite.com/galleries/p ... icity1.JPG
older one that looks closer to what I imagined: http://www.jewel-staite.com/galleries/p ... age=12.jpg

as for Adam Baldwin: http://home.pix.za/mm/mm000020/adambaldwin/
pic page (warning big and not too well formatted): http://home.pix.za/mm/mm000020/adambaldwin/photo.htm

as for comments umm, I'll refrain. He looks too much like s4 Adam would have looked like when he was alive (and not parts of other people). just not my type. (feels bad for saying it, but it's the truth).

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