by drlloyd11 » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:40 pm
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BabyWillow81: Danni look at this picture . Did You ever notice Amber benson hardly ever wears shoes? I mean they even protrayed her sholess in a scenes in the comic wanna blessed be....Starrgazr9: ambers a "shoelessphine".
LOLBabyWillow81: Hmmm Amber, mandy.....you in shower sandals....I must have a thing for "shoelessphines". LOL
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quote:by EricAlan69 » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:42 pm
A few years ago, an episode of 'The X-Files' got a TV-MA rating for an episode involving a decapitation in the pre-credits sequence, but on further airings, it only merited a TV-14.
For our non-US fans, these ratings were added in January, 1997 for exploitation of the dreaded V-Chip, a device built into all televisions that let's (ahem!) 'repsonsible parents' block out viewing of all material at the selected level. The ratings are as follows:
TV-Y: Appropriate for all children, and designed for children.
TV-Y7: Children 7 and above, and designed for children.
TV-G: General Audiences, not specifically for children, but nothing objectionable.
TV-PG: Parental Guidance. May contain some material parents would find unsuitable for younger children.
TV-14: Parents strongly cautioned. May contain material parents would find unsuitable for children under 14.
TV-MA: Mature audiences only. May contain the following- mature themes, profane language, graphic violence and explicit sexual conduct.
Amusingly, only about 20% of parents in this country even know what the ratings all mean, let alone actually use them to monitor their children's viewing habits.
Oh, the fun we have!
love,
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P.s.- Oooh! I'm a Floating Rose! So I've made 25 posts in 10 days! Therefore, at this pace, I'll be a Lesbian/Gay-Type Lover in approximately 5 years. :-)
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by JJ » Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:56 pm
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Amberholic #1969
Keeper of the kitten spirit that lies in us all
Keeper of the fluffy pink rhinos (don't ask)
The 100th Light for Tara
Bardlet #15 (thanx Angie)
President of Guys Who Love Willow & Tara Fan Club
"Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand."
from 'Witch Hunt' by Rush
by xita » Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:28 am
by xita » Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:34 pm
First, the question everyone has been asking: If Buffy died, why was there no new Slayer?
That's actually pretty easy. When Buffy died the first time, a slayer was called, and that lineage is still intact. Faith is still alive. So, Faithie and Buffy need to die for another slayer to be called.
Speaking of Buffy expats, any plans for Seth Green or Eliza Dushku to come back?
Yeah, there's always talk about it. And when those people are available, we'd love to have them back. But they have not been available. Seth's all Greg the Bunny now--and many other things.
The largest rumor floating around this season has been that there will be a big death on the finale. True?
That was the same rumor last year--and, you know, somebody did die. I mean, there's always going to be a big death eventually.
How long are the actors under contract?
All of the main cast members are contracted through next season--season seven.
What about Amber Benson (Tara)?
She's contracted for 16 out of 22 episodes this season, just as she was last season. And all that means is she won't be in six of the episodes.
Buffy has become much darker and racier this season. Is that because it's on UPN?
It's not really a result of switching networks. Perhaps there was some impulse to be a little bolder because we thought we might get away with it, but the reality is the WB was never very restrictive on what we put on the air. I really think it's more a result of the growing up of the show. And the fact that the whole Spike and Buffy storyline just lends itself to kind of a darker, edgier and more sexual bent.
Will this darker side continue?
The whole season is definitely influenced by the Buffy and Spike storyline. That can't help but affect the way the rest of the stuff goes.
We just had another round of Golden Globes. And, once again, Buffy was completely overlooked. What is the deal with those awards-show voters?
There's always a vague, dim hope that you'll get invited to the party. But the truth of the matter is, I think that moment has passed for us. I think if it were going to happen, it would have happened by now. But the fact that it hasn't doesn't feel like it has to do with the quality of the show. It has to do with perception and the fact that voters for the Globes and Emmys are older. They don't quite get it. It's a generational thing.
Why the Buffy and Spike relationship?
Long ago, it was Joss' idea that Spike would start to get a crush on Buffy. We had no idea where we would go with that at the time. It was just like, "Doesn't it seem like he'd become obsessed with a woman who could beat him up so badly?" Spike has always been drawn to women who abuse him. So now, with Buffy, this is the ultimate. But once he got the chip, he started to develop scruples, against his will. I think he genuinely cares for her and cares for her goodness. At this point, that means something to him.
Why can't Buffy fully love him?
Because he's evil! Even though he has come a long way, I still wonder what would happen with that chip out of his head. He's not someone you should fully trust. And given that, how could she ever fully give herself to him? It's not like Angel, who has spent 300 years atoning.
How far will it go?
At the end of last season, we started asking ourselves, "What are we going to do with these guys?" We also started thinking about what relationships were like in our twenties, when we were all in college. And it seems like so often you pick the person who is not necessarily the one you are going to be with the rest of your life, but the person who causes you a lot of grief and a lot of drama--and a lot of lust.
Have we seen the end of Buffy-Angel crossovers?
It's unlikely that we'll see crossovers, at least for right now. Things would have to change pretty radically for us to be able to do that. Just 'cause, you know, different networks.
Are we going to get a CD of the musical episode?
There is a CD in the works. That is definitely going to happen, but I don't know about the timing.
Will there be a Big Bad this season?
There is Big Badness. It's not the same as it has been in the past. It's somewhat more generated by our own characters. With the guys--the trio--there's potential for things to go a lot darker there. But no, there is no supernatural being coming from on high. It was just time to try something else. I mean, how many Apocali can you threaten? It's like, "No, really. It's the end of the world. This time, really. We were kidding last time!"
Have we seen the worst of Willow's bad side?
Almost every character deals with this notion of power, what it means to attain power and that, in some ways, power always corrupts. As much as Willow has grown and changed--personally, I can attest to the fact that the inner nerd is always there. No matter how much you change, there's always going to be some insecurity. And the temptation to empower yourself, maybe beyond reason, is really there...So, that will cause Willow the temptation to embellish herself.
Well, there you have it. Got more Buffy questions? Then join me for our next chat, this Monday at 6 p.m. ET/3 p.m. PT. I'll also dish on all the usual faves, like Sex and the City and ER.
And don't forget--by entering the chat, you will automatically be entered into the sweepstakes to win a Buffy the Vampire Slayer prize pack, including the first-season DVD, a script book and a Buffy collectible car. For the full lowdown, click here.
Or, if you simply can't wait to get your hands on the DVD or other Slayer swag, you can always buy it here: www.foxstore.com.
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by Scoobiedoo » Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:36 am
Nothing too revelatory... but interesting nonetheless...
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by Warduke » Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:00 am
Bloody Valentine
The latest news about ''Buffy'' -- Producer Marti Noxon talks about going to DVD, Sarah Michelle Gellar's new 'do, and storylines you'll never see by Liane Bonin
A vampire slayer gets no respect, so why should her fans? DVDs of ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' have been available in Europe and Australia for years (VHS versions of season five are already on sale in the UK), yet America's slayer buffs had to wait until last week for season one to make its DVD debut. Not that they weren't thrilled, but why the delay? A spokesman at 20th Century Fox TV (the studio behind the UPN hit) cryptically blames ''different release patterns'' for the delay.
That's not much in the way of consolation -- then again, even ''Buffy'''s creators can't score DVDs. ''They don't send us copies,'' laughs executive producer Marti Noxon. ''And we have a pretty limited say as far as what episodes are released and when.'' Luckily, Noxon has plenty of say about everything else. She talked to EW.com about discarded storylines, steamy sex, and the new series that may one day fill ''Buffy'''s high heels.
Now that the first season is out on DVD, can you tell us about storylines that never made the cut?
Actually, there were a lot of things we were going to do and never did. More recently, in season four, Maggie (Lindsay Crouse) was going to be much more of a mother figure for Riley, introducing him to another girl to lure him away from Buffy. We thought it would create some Shakespearean jealousy, and then we went, ehhh, forget it. But most of the changes [throughout the series] have had to do with actors coming and going. We had a lot more planned for Seth Green (Oz), for example, but his departure [to do films] opened the door for Tara (Amber Benson), which was something we never expected. And there would have been far more Angel-Buffy angst if he hadn't gotten his own show.
Speaking of Angel and Buffy, will there ever be another crossover? If David E. Kelly can jump networks [''Ally McBeal'' and ''The Practice''], why can't you?
It's not gonna happen, and it's not only a contractual issue. Even if it boosted our ratings for one night, viewers might say, ''Hey, what about that Angel guy? I wonder what he's up to on that other network?'' which would be a problem for UPN. I don't think there's any bad blood, but I also don't think either UPN or the WB are looking to do each other a favor.
Was Sarah Michelle Gellar's haircut really a big deal?
No, not really. She came to us and said she wanted to do it, and we were fine with that. It's not like our audience is completely attached to the hair. And I like it. I think it makes her look kinda kicky.
This has to be the raciest season of ''Buffy'' yet. How are you getting away with Spike and Buffy's more explicit moments, including allusions to oral sex?
You can't get around the fact that the ideas are really nasty, but the actual content hasn't been. We've had less nudity this year than last, except for Spike, but no one's complaining about that. It's just because the nature of Buffy's relationship with Spike is much more sexual than her past relationships, and it's not about cuddly sex, either. I think the censors understand that if you're a kid of a certain age, you're not going to get it. And if you're old enough to get it, then, well, you get it. But I'm sure we have some challenges ahead, because it's not going to get less sexy for a while.
What can you tell us about ''Buffy'' creator Joss Whedon's new Fox series, ''Firefly''?
It's basically a science fiction western. The show takes place in the wake of a universal civil war in which the government wanted to unite all of the planets into one federation. The government won, so the guys on our ship, who fought for independence, are cruising the periphery of the universe where some of the planets still haven't been reached by the government. They aren't heroes; they do a lot of salvage work and odd jobs, some of which aren't so legal. But it's not like most sci-fi shows where everything's in black and white. The government isn't all bad, but they do some bad stuff. There's a cool ship and there's going to be nifty hardware, but the goal is to make all the characters' emotional lives totally real. We're focusing on their struggles, not a guy with a gorgon on his templok or something.
So Joss has ''Buffy,'' ''Angel,'' ''Firefly,'' an animated version of ''Buffy,'' and the BBC ''Buffy'' spin-off ''Ripper'' on his plate. When does his head explode?
He doesn't need the same things other humans need, like rest or bad television, damn him. And the thing is, there's another show in the offing that he and I and ''Angel'' producer David Greenwalt are planning for next season. But it's possible that ''Ripper'' might be delayed because of ''Firefly.''
There's a rumor going around that another one of the main characters on ''Buffy'' is going to die. How do you deal with leaks?
I can't comment on the rumor. We used to get really upset and send out fake spoilers so people would be confused, and we still do, sometimes, but we can't plug all the holes. We try not to pay too much attention, because it just makes you crazy.
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I was joking with a friend that one day we'll be doing Xander versus the love handles monster. Let us stop before it gets lame! If key members don't want to continue we won't. Every year we think, this could be it, but every year we continue to feel enthused about it, and it just keeps going.
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By IAN SPELLING
What’s stranger than demons on motorcycles? Or vampires with souls? Or teenaged vampire slayers? How about the prospect of a 10-minute interview with the guy who created the demons, vampires and slayers in question? A chat with Joss Whedon is not, in and of itself, strange; rather, it’s the 10-minute restriction that’s unusual. Whedon, you see, is a great talker--funny, frank and enthusiastic. Get him started on a subject he likes, and he’s off. Get him talking about BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, ANGEL, the BUFFY first-season DVD collection, the upcoming animated BUFFY series and the forthcoming Giles miniseries, and 10 minutes of scheduled talk time…well, let’s just say the interview ran over a bit.
The main topic of the day is the BUFFY DVD package. Due for release January 15 from Fox Home Entertainment, the three-disc collection includes all 12 first-season episodes, along with Whedon commentary on three of them, assorted interviews, scripts, photos, trailers and bios, all for the low suggested retail price of $39.98. “I’m probably happiest to see ‘The Puppet Show’ on DVD, because it has the entire, only-broadcast-once scene from OEDIPUS REX that we did at the end,” Whedon notes. “That was the only time that the WB let us run the show over by a little bit [into the credits sequence]. I was very happy to get that in there. ‘Prophecy Girl’ and ‘The Pack’ are a couple of others I’m glad people can see on DVD. ‘The Pack’ took the series to a new level. That’s when we realized, ‘Hey, we can get really dark and ugly with this show.’ That was cool.
“Every one of those first-season episodes was an extremely tortuous process,” he continues. “I had never done it before. I had a staff of really smart people, but nobody really knew the show yet except for [co-executive producer] David Greenwalt and me. The ‘Witch’ episode was a big deal for us because it was David who came up with the big twist. And the moment he said it, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It was so creepy and real and I said, ‘That’s what this show is.’ So every one of those first round of shows has some moment of discovery. Plus, I was getting to know just how good my cast was. So, for me, it’s 12 hours of insane fun.”
Sitting in a studio years after the fact in order to screen episodes and record his thoughts about them was, Whedon acknowledges, an unusual exercise. “I did interviews about a lot of them, but the actual commentary just on ‘Welcome to the Hellmouth,’ ‘Harvest’ and ‘Prophecy Girl,’ ” he explains. “It was weird to do the commentaries, because you effectively go back and cringe. There were times where I’d sit there and think, ‘Oh, I’d change this. I’d change that.’ But I also thought, ‘Hey, a lot of this is pretty cool! I’d watch this show.’ It was great to realize that, even early on, even though the show has matured, we had a mission statement right up front. We understood that mission statement and stuck to it, and it was kind of nice to see that.”
It should be interesting for Whedon when he eventually sits down to offer up commentary on current episodes of BUFFY, since he’s pulled back a bit from his day-to-day responsibilities on the series. Longtime co-producer Marti Noxon essentially runs the show now and shares co-executive producer credit with Whedon. The creator, however, participates in the storybreaking sessions for each hour and, most notably, wrote and directed season six’s highpoint thus far: “Once More, With Feeling.” Anyone who feared that the musical episode would be nothing more than a stunt was quickly proved wrong, as every song served to further the storyline.
“That was the happiest experience of my short and tawdry life,” Whedon says. “It was the most work I’ve ever done, the hardest I’ve ever seen my cast and my crew work. We put it together at the end of the day and everybody seemed to feel it worked. You know, I got to make a musical in my lifetime--not many people can say that. So I’m just about as happy with that episode as I’ve ever been about anything.”
Then there’s ANGEL to consider. Despite his falling out with the WB over BUFFY (which now airs on UPN), Whedon remains nearly as involved with ANGEL as he is with that series. And he’s currently gearing up to write and direct an ANGEL episode, one that may have something to do with Angel’s (David Boreanaz) little bundle of joy, Connor. That the show is doing well--very well, in fact--without a lead-in from its progenitor doesn’t exactly surprise Whedon. “I expected that it would do OK,” he says. “I always believed that it was its own show. I like it and love it in different ways than I like and love BUFFY. So I’m not surprised to see it doing well. The people at the WB seem happy, so I’m like, ‘Oh good.’ To me, ANGEL has a very different feel. It’s not just another version of BUFFY, even though both shows are part of the same aesthetic and mythology.”
Whedon will soon enter another aesthetic and mythology, as he’s currently putting much of his energy into the upcoming Fox series FIREFLY. A sci-fi adventure that’ll be more about humans than aliens, FIREFLY will debut next fall with a two-hour pilot written, produced and directed by Whedon, with Fox committed to 13 episodes. In the meantime, though, Whedon is very much involved in two BUFFY-related projects, namely BUFFY: THE ANIMATED SERIES and RIPPER, the proposed British miniseries devoted to the trials and tribulations of Giles (Anthony Stewart Head), Buffy’s beloved Watcher.
“The animated show is going along slowly,” Whedon says. “It’s kind of like the soundtracks [for BUFFY the series and the “Once More, With Feeling” episode] and the DVDs in that it’s taking a long time to come together. Most of the actors from the show will be doing their voices, which is really fun. We’ve got everybody except Sarah [Michelle Gellar]. Her schedule is just too insane, so she’s not going to do it. We’ll find a similar voice for the Buffy character. Quite frankly, it can be done. A lot of voices can be mimicked, but there are certain cast members, like Alyson [Hannigan, who plays Willow], where I couldn’t hear anybody else doing it. In a way, the character actors are the most important part of something like that. So we’ll have the whole ensemble save Sarah, and we don’t know about David [Boreanaz] yet. Sarah and David are working on their shows more than anyone else and are probably not as anxious to play their characters in their spare time, whereas the rest of us still get a kick out of it.
“We’ve got scripts from the [live-action] show’s actual writing staff, so they’re feeling really strong, funny and exciting. It’s BUFFY, year one, all the stories in between the episodes on the DVD, pretty much. That’s fun for us. I loved the first-season stories, and when they graduated from high school I was rather sad. I was like, ‘But I still have more high-school stories to tell! Why are they graduating?’ Now we get to go back and tell them. The stories for the animated show will be a little simpler and more emotionally direct. The [live-action] series is more complex. Also, the animated version will be a little sillier. It should be on the air next fall. We’re ready now, but it’s a matter at this point of dealing with big corporations. Networks are changing hands, so there is all sorts of confusion. But we’re doing our part.
“The BBC show with Giles is on a slower track,” he continues. “I did just get off the phone with one of the producers on it, and we were talking about shaping it and feeling it out when we have time to get over to England and start putting it up.”
Before the conversation ends, one more potential project must be addressed: There has once again been buzz amongst the BUFFY faithful that Whedon plans to take a stab at another feature version, and this time it’s a bit louder than usual. “I’ve heard stories about a BUFFY movie since year one,” Whedon offers. “You’ll hear them many years from now as well. BUFFY movies depend on when we finish the show. We’ll never do one while the series is on the air. If, when we finish the show, we all feel like hanging out some more, then maybe we’ll do one. And if we don’t, we won’t. BUFFY would make a great movie. I love this cast and they’d all be great in a feature. I’d love to see it happen, but it’s a while off even if it does."
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"Everthing's just turning out so dark..."
"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
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He speaks of Willow and Willow and Tara:
Marsters praised "Buffy" for tackling the nation's drug-addiction problem through the metaphor of Willow (Alyson Hannigan) being addicted to witchcraft. Willow is slowly recovering, with help from her friends.
"Not all TV shows are talking about it," Marsters said.
He also praised the show for its normal depiction of a lesbian relationship, the one between Willow and fellow witch Tara (Amber Benson).
"The Tara relationship, so controversial in the beginning, has been integrated so organically. It's a gay relationship that not's about being gay, that's not about having the first gay kiss. I don't know a precedent for it."
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Autumn
I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
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I don't think it makes me a bad guy. I just make the wrong choice. I just don't know any better. I see everybody so happy and getting what they want all of the time, and it comes so difficult for me. So if I can just be in control and boss them around and call myself this evil genius, it's a nice way to explain to myself and everyone else why I'm not a part of what's going on. Because I choose not to be. Because I'm above it. Because I'm an evil genius.
Hmmm. So Warren is that way because he chooses to be? Ugh. That makes me hate him even more.
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Sweetie...I'm a fag.
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IP: LoggedxitaMs. Moderator By IAN SPELLING
What’s stranger than demons on motorcycles? Or vampires with souls? Or teenaged vampire slayers? How about the prospect of a 10-minute interview with the guy who created the demons, vampires and slayers in question? A chat with Joss Whedon is not, in and of itself, strange; rather, it’s the 10-minute restriction that’s unusual. Whedon, you see, is a great talker--funny, frank and enthusiastic. Get him started on a subject he likes, and he’s off. Get him talking about BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, ANGEL, the BUFFY first-season DVD collection, the upcoming animated BUFFY series and the forthcoming Giles miniseries, and 10 minutes of scheduled talk time…well, let’s just say the interview ran over a bit.
The main topic of the day is the BUFFY DVD package. Due for release January 15 from Fox Home Entertainment, the three-disc collection includes all 12 first-season episodes, along with Whedon commentary on three of them, assorted interviews, scripts, photos, trailers and bios, all for the low suggested retail price of $39.98. “I’m probably happiest to see ‘The Puppet Show’ on DVD, because it has the entire, only-broadcast-once scene from OEDIPUS REX that we did at the end,” Whedon notes. “That was the only time that the WB let us run the show over by a little bit [into the credits sequence]. I was very happy to get that in there. ‘Prophecy Girl’ and ‘The Pack’ are a couple of others I’m glad people can see on DVD. ‘The Pack’ took the series to a new level. That’s when we realized, ‘Hey, we can get really dark and ugly with this show.’ That was cool.
“Every one of those first-season episodes was an extremely tortuous process,” he continues. “I had never done it before. I had a staff of really smart people, but nobody really knew the show yet except for [co-executive producer] David Greenwalt and me. The ‘Witch’ episode was a big deal for us because it was David who came up with the big twist. And the moment he said it, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It was so creepy and real and I said, ‘That’s what this show is.’ So every one of those first round of shows has some moment of discovery. Plus, I was getting to know just how good my cast was. So, for me, it’s 12 hours of insane fun.”
Sitting in a studio years after the fact in order to screen episodes and record his thoughts about them was, Whedon acknowledges, an unusual exercise. “I did interviews about a lot of them, but the actual commentary just on ‘Welcome to the Hellmouth,’ ‘Harvest’ and ‘Prophecy Girl,’ ” he explains. “It was weird to do the commentaries, because you effectively go back and cringe. There were times where I’d sit there and think, ‘Oh, I’d change this. I’d change that.’ But I also thought, ‘Hey, a lot of this is pretty cool! I’d watch this show.’ It was great to realize that, even early on, even though the show has matured, we had a mission statement right up front. We understood that mission statement and stuck to it, and it was kind of nice to see that.”
It should be interesting for Whedon when he eventually sits down to offer up commentary on current episodes of BUFFY, since he’s pulled back a bit from his day-to-day responsibilities on the series. Longtime co-producer Marti Noxon essentially runs the show now and shares co-executive producer credit with Whedon. The creator, however, participates in the storybreaking sessions for each hour and, most notably, wrote and directed season six’s highpoint thus far: “Once More, With Feeling.” Anyone who feared that the musical episode would be nothing more than a stunt was quickly proved wrong, as every song served to further the storyline.
“That was the happiest experience of my short and tawdry life,” Whedon says. “It was the most work I’ve ever done, the hardest I’ve ever seen my cast and my crew work. We put it together at the end of the day and everybody seemed to feel it worked. You know, I got to make a musical in my lifetime--not many people can say that. So I’m just about as happy with that episode as I’ve ever been about anything.”
Then there’s ANGEL to consider. Despite his falling out with the WB over BUFFY (which now airs on UPN), Whedon remains nearly as involved with ANGEL as he is with that series. And he’s currently gearing up to write and direct an ANGEL episode, one that may have something to do with Angel’s (David Boreanaz) little bundle of joy, Connor. That the show is doing well--very well, in fact--without a lead-in from its progenitor doesn’t exactly surprise Whedon. “I expected that it would do OK,” he says. “I always believed that it was its own show. I like it and love it in different ways than I like and love BUFFY. So I’m not surprised to see it doing well. The people at the WB seem happy, so I’m like, ‘Oh good.’ To me, ANGEL has a very different feel. It’s not just another version of BUFFY, even though both shows are part of the same aesthetic and mythology.”
Whedon will soon enter another aesthetic and mythology, as he’s currently putting much of his energy into the upcoming Fox series FIREFLY. A sci-fi adventure that’ll be more about humans than aliens, FIREFLY will debut next fall with a two-hour pilot written, produced and directed by Whedon, with Fox committed to 13 episodes. In the meantime, though, Whedon is very much involved in two BUFFY-related projects, namely BUFFY: THE ANIMATED SERIES and RIPPER, the proposed British miniseries devoted to the trials and tribulations of Giles (Anthony Stewart Head), Buffy’s beloved Watcher.
“The animated show is going along slowly,” Whedon says. “It’s kind of like the soundtracks [for BUFFY the series and the “Once More, With Feeling” episode] and the DVDs in that it’s taking a long time to come together. Most of the actors from the show will be doing their voices, which is really fun. We’ve got everybody except Sarah [Michelle Gellar]. Her schedule is just too insane, so she’s not going to do it. We’ll find a similar voice for the Buffy character. Quite frankly, it can be done. A lot of voices can be mimicked, but there are certain cast members, like Alyson [Hannigan, who plays Willow], where I couldn’t hear anybody else doing it. In a way, the character actors are the most important part of something like that. So we’ll have the whole ensemble save Sarah, and we don’t know about David [Boreanaz] yet. Sarah and David are working on their shows more than anyone else and are probably not as anxious to play their characters in their spare time, whereas the rest of us still get a kick out of it.
“We’ve got scripts from the [live-action] show’s actual writing staff, so they’re feeling really strong, funny and exciting. It’s BUFFY, year one, all the stories in between the episodes on the DVD, pretty much. That’s fun for us. I loved the first-season stories, and when they graduated from high school I was rather sad. I was like, ‘But I still have more high-school stories to tell! Why are they graduating?’ Now we get to go back and tell them. The stories for the animated show will be a little simpler and more emotionally direct. The [live-action] series is more complex. Also, the animated version will be a little sillier. It should be on the air next fall. We’re ready now, but it’s a matter at this point of dealing with big corporations. Networks are changing hands, so there is all sorts of confusion. But we’re doing our part.
“The BBC show with Giles is on a slower track,” he continues. “I did just get off the phone with one of the producers on it, and we were talking about shaping it and feeling it out when we have time to get over to England and start putting it up.”
Before the conversation ends, one more potential project must be addressed: There has once again been buzz amongst the BUFFY faithful that Whedon plans to take a stab at another feature version, and this time it’s a bit louder than usual. “I’ve heard stories about a BUFFY movie since year one,” Whedon offers. “You’ll hear them many years from now as well. BUFFY movies depend on when we finish the show. We’ll never do one while the series is on the air. If, when we finish the show, we all feel like hanging out some more, then maybe we’ll do one. And if we don’t, we won’t. BUFFY would make a great movie. I love this cast and they’d all be great in a feature. I’d love to see it happen, but it’s a while off even if it does."
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"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
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posted January 31, 2002 00:53 A Joss interview over at fangoriaBy IAN SPELLING
What’s stranger than demons on motorcycles? Or vampires with souls? Or teenaged vampire slayers? How about the prospect of a 10-minute interview with the guy who created the demons, vampires and slayers in question? A chat with Joss Whedon is not, in and of itself, strange; rather, it’s the 10-minute restriction that’s unusual. Whedon, you see, is a great talker--funny, frank and enthusiastic. Get him started on a subject he likes, and he’s off. Get him talking about BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, ANGEL, the BUFFY first-season DVD collection, the upcoming animated BUFFY series and the forthcoming Giles miniseries, and 10 minutes of scheduled talk time…well, let’s just say the interview ran over a bit.
The main topic of the day is the BUFFY DVD package. Due for release January 15 from Fox Home Entertainment, the three-disc collection includes all 12 first-season episodes, along with Whedon commentary on three of them, assorted interviews, scripts, photos, trailers and bios, all for the low suggested retail price of $39.98. “I’m probably happiest to see ‘The Puppet Show’ on DVD, because it has the entire, only-broadcast-once scene from OEDIPUS REX that we did at the end,” Whedon notes. “That was the only time that the WB let us run the show over by a little bit [into the credits sequence]. I was very happy to get that in there. ‘Prophecy Girl’ and ‘The Pack’ are a couple of others I’m glad people can see on DVD. ‘The Pack’ took the series to a new level. That’s when we realized, ‘Hey, we can get really dark and ugly with this show.’ That was cool.
“Every one of those first-season episodes was an extremely tortuous process,” he continues. “I had never done it before. I had a staff of really smart people, but nobody really knew the show yet except for [co-executive producer] David Greenwalt and me. The ‘Witch’ episode was a big deal for us because it was David who came up with the big twist. And the moment he said it, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It was so creepy and real and I said, ‘That’s what this show is.’ So every one of those first round of shows has some moment of discovery. Plus, I was getting to know just how good my cast was. So, for me, it’s 12 hours of insane fun.”
Sitting in a studio years after the fact in order to screen episodes and record his thoughts about them was, Whedon acknowledges, an unusual exercise. “I did interviews about a lot of them, but the actual commentary just on ‘Welcome to the Hellmouth,’ ‘Harvest’ and ‘Prophecy Girl,’ ” he explains. “It was weird to do the commentaries, because you effectively go back and cringe. There were times where I’d sit there and think, ‘Oh, I’d change this. I’d change that.’ But I also thought, ‘Hey, a lot of this is pretty cool! I’d watch this show.’ It was great to realize that, even early on, even though the show has matured, we had a mission statement right up front. We understood that mission statement and stuck to it, and it was kind of nice to see that.”
It should be interesting for Whedon when he eventually sits down to offer up commentary on current episodes of BUFFY, since he’s pulled back a bit from his day-to-day responsibilities on the series. Longtime co-producer Marti Noxon essentially runs the show now and shares co-executive producer credit with Whedon. The creator, however, participates in the storybreaking sessions for each hour and, most notably, wrote and directed season six’s highpoint thus far: “Once More, With Feeling.” Anyone who feared that the musical episode would be nothing more than a stunt was quickly proved wrong, as every song served to further the storyline.
“That was the happiest experience of my short and tawdry life,” Whedon says. “It was the most work I’ve ever done, the hardest I’ve ever seen my cast and my crew work. We put it together at the end of the day and everybody seemed to feel it worked. You know, I got to make a musical in my lifetime--not many people can say that. So I’m just about as happy with that episode as I’ve ever been about anything.”
Then there’s ANGEL to consider. Despite his falling out with the WB over BUFFY (which now airs on UPN), Whedon remains nearly as involved with ANGEL as he is with that series. And he’s currently gearing up to write and direct an ANGEL episode, one that may have something to do with Angel’s (David Boreanaz) little bundle of joy, Connor. That the show is doing well--very well, in fact--without a lead-in from its progenitor doesn’t exactly surprise Whedon. “I expected that it would do OK,” he says. “I always believed that it was its own show. I like it and love it in different ways than I like and love BUFFY. So I’m not surprised to see it doing well. The people at the WB seem happy, so I’m like, ‘Oh good.’ To me, ANGEL has a very different feel. It’s not just another version of BUFFY, even though both shows are part of the same aesthetic and mythology.”
Whedon will soon enter another aesthetic and mythology, as he’s currently putting much of his energy into the upcoming Fox series FIREFLY. A sci-fi adventure that’ll be more about humans than aliens, FIREFLY will debut next fall with a two-hour pilot written, produced and directed by Whedon, with Fox committed to 13 episodes. In the meantime, though, Whedon is very much involved in two BUFFY-related projects, namely BUFFY: THE ANIMATED SERIES and RIPPER, the proposed British miniseries devoted to the trials and tribulations of Giles (Anthony Stewart Head), Buffy’s beloved Watcher.
“The animated show is going along slowly,” Whedon says. “It’s kind of like the soundtracks [for BUFFY the series and the “Once More, With Feeling” episode] and the DVDs in that it’s taking a long time to come together. Most of the actors from the show will be doing their voices, which is really fun. We’ve got everybody except Sarah [Michelle Gellar]. Her schedule is just too insane, so she’s not going to do it. We’ll find a similar voice for the Buffy character. Quite frankly, it can be done. A lot of voices can be mimicked, but there are certain cast members, like Alyson [Hannigan, who plays Willow], where I couldn’t hear anybody else doing it. In a way, the character actors are the most important part of something like that. So we’ll have the whole ensemble save Sarah, and we don’t know about David [Boreanaz] yet. Sarah and David are working on their shows more than anyone else and are probably not as anxious to play their characters in their spare time, whereas the rest of us still get a kick out of it.
“We’ve got scripts from the [live-action] show’s actual writing staff, so they’re feeling really strong, funny and exciting. It’s BUFFY, year one, all the stories in between the episodes on the DVD, pretty much. That’s fun for us. I loved the first-season stories, and when they graduated from high school I was rather sad. I was like, ‘But I still have more high-school stories to tell! Why are they graduating?’ Now we get to go back and tell them. The stories for the animated show will be a little simpler and more emotionally direct. The [live-action] series is more complex. Also, the animated version will be a little sillier. It should be on the air next fall. We’re ready now, but it’s a matter at this point of dealing with big corporations. Networks are changing hands, so there is all sorts of confusion. But we’re doing our part.
“The BBC show with Giles is on a slower track,” he continues. “I did just get off the phone with one of the producers on it, and we were talking about shaping it and feeling it out when we have time to get over to England and start putting it up.”
Before the conversation ends, one more potential project must be addressed: There has once again been buzz amongst the BUFFY faithful that Whedon plans to take a stab at another feature version, and this time it’s a bit louder than usual. “I’ve heard stories about a BUFFY movie since year one,” Whedon offers. “You’ll hear them many years from now as well. BUFFY movies depend on when we finish the show. We’ll never do one while the series is on the air. If, when we finish the show, we all feel like hanging out some more, then maybe we’ll do one. And if we don’t, we won’t. BUFFY would make a great movie. I love this cast and they’d all be great in a feature. I’d love to see it happen, but it’s a while off even if it does."
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"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
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posted January 31, 2002 03:39 Thanks for posting those interviews. Interesting stuff. Hope Ripper doesn't get delayed though.IP: LoggedxitaMs. Moderator He speaks of Willow and Willow and Tara:
Marsters praised "Buffy" for tackling the nation's drug-addiction problem through the metaphor of Willow (Alyson Hannigan) being addicted to witchcraft. Willow is slowly recovering, with help from her friends.
"Not all TV shows are talking about it," Marsters said.
He also praised the show for its normal depiction of a lesbian relationship, the one between Willow and fellow witch Tara (Amber Benson).
"The Tara relationship, so controversial in the beginning, has been integrated so organically. It's a gay relationship that not's about being gay, that's not about having the first gay kiss. I don't know a precedent for it."
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"Everthing's just turning out so dark..."
"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
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posted February 01, 2002 23:31 A james interview at nando timesHe speaks of Willow and Willow and Tara:
Marsters praised "Buffy" for tackling the nation's drug-addiction problem through the metaphor of Willow (Alyson Hannigan) being addicted to witchcraft. Willow is slowly recovering, with help from her friends.
"Not all TV shows are talking about it," Marsters said.
He also praised the show for its normal depiction of a lesbian relationship, the one between Willow and fellow witch Tara (Amber Benson).
"The Tara relationship, so controversial in the beginning, has been integrated so organically. It's a gay relationship that not's about being gay, that's not about having the first gay kiss. I don't know a precedent for it."
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"Everthing's just turning out so dark..."
"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
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I don't think it makes me a bad guy. I just make the wrong choice. I just don't know any better. I see everybody so happy and getting what they want all of the time, and it comes so difficult for me. So if I can just be in control and boss them around and call myself this evil genius, it's a nice way to explain to myself and everyone else why I'm not a part of what's going on. Because I choose not to be. Because I'm above it. Because I'm an evil genius.
Hmmm. So Warren is that way because he chooses to be? Ugh. That makes me hate him even more.
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posted February 11, 2002 12:56quote:
I don't think it makes me a bad guy. I just make the wrong choice. I just don't know any better. I see everybody so happy and getting what they want all of the time, and it comes so difficult for me. So if I can just be in control and boss them around and call myself this evil genius, it's a nice way to explain to myself and everyone else why I'm not a part of what's going on. Because I choose not to be. Because I'm above it. Because I'm an evil genius.
Hmmm. So Warren is that way because he chooses to be? Ugh. That makes me hate him even more.
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posted February 11, 2002 13:03 Is it me, or does Adam seem to have no grasp on the character of Warren at all? I mean I understand he wants to not play a total sleaze but ... hmm yeah. And at the end he says the 3 of them make up the perfect guy? I hope that's a joke.IP: LoggedDr.GLesbian Gay Type Lover IP: Logged
posted February 11, 2002 13:31 Well ick and ick, I really really hope this interview was conducted *before* Warren bashed Katrina's head in, otherwise I really have to wonder what he has been sniffing. And that perfect guy thing has got to be a joke.by xita » Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:53 pm
By IAN SPELLING
What’s stranger than demons on motorcycles? Or vampires with souls? Or teenaged vampire slayers? How about the prospect of a 10-minute interview with the guy who created the demons, vampires and slayers in question? A chat with Joss Whedon is not, in and of itself, strange; rather, it’s the 10-minute restriction that’s unusual. Whedon, you see, is a great talker--funny, frank and enthusiastic. Get him started on a subject he likes, and he’s off. Get him talking about BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, ANGEL, the BUFFY first-season DVD collection, the upcoming animated BUFFY series and the forthcoming Giles miniseries, and 10 minutes of scheduled talk time…well, let’s just say the interview ran over a bit.
The main topic of the day is the BUFFY DVD package. Due for release January 15 from Fox Home Entertainment, the three-disc collection includes all 12 first-season episodes, along with Whedon commentary on three of them, assorted interviews, scripts, photos, trailers and bios, all for the low suggested retail price of $39.98. “I’m probably happiest to see ‘The Puppet Show’ on DVD, because it has the entire, only-broadcast-once scene from OEDIPUS REX that we did at the end,” Whedon notes. “That was the only time that the WB let us run the show over by a little bit [into the credits sequence]. I was very happy to get that in there. ‘Prophecy Girl’ and ‘The Pack’ are a couple of others I’m glad people can see on DVD. ‘The Pack’ took the series to a new level. That’s when we realized, ‘Hey, we can get really dark and ugly with this show.’ That was cool.
“Every one of those first-season episodes was an extremely tortuous process,” he continues. “I had never done it before. I had a staff of really smart people, but nobody really knew the show yet except for [co-executive producer] David Greenwalt and me. The ‘Witch’ episode was a big deal for us because it was David who came up with the big twist. And the moment he said it, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It was so creepy and real and I said, ‘That’s what this show is.’ So every one of those first round of shows has some moment of discovery. Plus, I was getting to know just how good my cast was. So, for me, it’s 12 hours of insane fun.”
Sitting in a studio years after the fact in order to screen episodes and record his thoughts about them was, Whedon acknowledges, an unusual exercise. “I did interviews about a lot of them, but the actual commentary just on ‘Welcome to the Hellmouth,’ ‘Harvest’ and ‘Prophecy Girl,’ ” he explains. “It was weird to do the commentaries, because you effectively go back and cringe. There were times where I’d sit there and think, ‘Oh, I’d change this. I’d change that.’ But I also thought, ‘Hey, a lot of this is pretty cool! I’d watch this show.’ It was great to realize that, even early on, even though the show has matured, we had a mission statement right up front. We understood that mission statement and stuck to it, and it was kind of nice to see that.”
It should be interesting for Whedon when he eventually sits down to offer up commentary on current episodes of BUFFY, since he’s pulled back a bit from his day-to-day responsibilities on the series. Longtime co-producer Marti Noxon essentially runs the show now and shares co-executive producer credit with Whedon. The creator, however, participates in the storybreaking sessions for each hour and, most notably, wrote and directed season six’s highpoint thus far: “Once More, With Feeling.” Anyone who feared that the musical episode would be nothing more than a stunt was quickly proved wrong, as every song served to further the storyline.
“That was the happiest experience of my short and tawdry life,” Whedon says. “It was the most work I’ve ever done, the hardest I’ve ever seen my cast and my crew work. We put it together at the end of the day and everybody seemed to feel it worked. You know, I got to make a musical in my lifetime--not many people can say that. So I’m just about as happy with that episode as I’ve ever been about anything.”
Then there’s ANGEL to consider. Despite his falling out with the WB over BUFFY (which now airs on UPN), Whedon remains nearly as involved with ANGEL as he is with that series. And he’s currently gearing up to write and direct an ANGEL episode, one that may have something to do with Angel’s (David Boreanaz) little bundle of joy, Connor. That the show is doing well--very well, in fact--without a lead-in from its progenitor doesn’t exactly surprise Whedon. “I expected that it would do OK,” he says. “I always believed that it was its own show. I like it and love it in different ways than I like and love BUFFY. So I’m not surprised to see it doing well. The people at the WB seem happy, so I’m like, ‘Oh good.’ To me, ANGEL has a very different feel. It’s not just another version of BUFFY, even though both shows are part of the same aesthetic and mythology.”
Whedon will soon enter another aesthetic and mythology, as he’s currently putting much of his energy into the upcoming Fox series FIREFLY. A sci-fi adventure that’ll be more about humans than aliens, FIREFLY will debut next fall with a two-hour pilot written, produced and directed by Whedon, with Fox committed to 13 episodes. In the meantime, though, Whedon is very much involved in two BUFFY-related projects, namely BUFFY: THE ANIMATED SERIES and RIPPER, the proposed British miniseries devoted to the trials and tribulations of Giles (Anthony Stewart Head), Buffy’s beloved Watcher.
“The animated show is going along slowly,” Whedon says. “It’s kind of like the soundtracks [for BUFFY the series and the “Once More, With Feeling” episode] and the DVDs in that it’s taking a long time to come together. Most of the actors from the show will be doing their voices, which is really fun. We’ve got everybody except Sarah [Michelle Gellar]. Her schedule is just too insane, so she’s not going to do it. We’ll find a similar voice for the Buffy character. Quite frankly, it can be done. A lot of voices can be mimicked, but there are certain cast members, like Alyson [Hannigan, who plays Willow], where I couldn’t hear anybody else doing it. In a way, the character actors are the most important part of something like that. So we’ll have the whole ensemble save Sarah, and we don’t know about David [Boreanaz] yet. Sarah and David are working on their shows more than anyone else and are probably not as anxious to play their characters in their spare time, whereas the rest of us still get a kick out of it.
“We’ve got scripts from the [live-action] show’s actual writing staff, so they’re feeling really strong, funny and exciting. It’s BUFFY, year one, all the stories in between the episodes on the DVD, pretty much. That’s fun for us. I loved the first-season stories, and when they graduated from high school I was rather sad. I was like, ‘But I still have more high-school stories to tell! Why are they graduating?’ Now we get to go back and tell them. The stories for the animated show will be a little simpler and more emotionally direct. The [live-action] series is more complex. Also, the animated version will be a little sillier. It should be on the air next fall. We’re ready now, but it’s a matter at this point of dealing with big corporations. Networks are changing hands, so there is all sorts of confusion. But we’re doing our part.
“The BBC show with Giles is on a slower track,” he continues. “I did just get off the phone with one of the producers on it, and we were talking about shaping it and feeling it out when we have time to get over to England and start putting it up.”
Before the conversation ends, one more potential project must be addressed: There has once again been buzz amongst the BUFFY faithful that Whedon plans to take a stab at another feature version, and this time it’s a bit louder than usual. “I’ve heard stories about a BUFFY movie since year one,” Whedon offers. “You’ll hear them many years from now as well. BUFFY movies depend on when we finish the show. We’ll never do one while the series is on the air. If, when we finish the show, we all feel like hanging out some more, then maybe we’ll do one. And if we don’t, we won’t. BUFFY would make a great movie. I love this cast and they’d all be great in a feature. I’d love to see it happen, but it’s a while off even if it does."
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"Everthing's just turning out so dark..."
"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
by SJ » Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:39 am
by xita » Fri Feb 01, 2002 9:31 pm
He speaks of Willow and Willow and Tara:
Marsters praised "Buffy" for tackling the nation's drug-addiction problem through the metaphor of Willow (Alyson Hannigan) being addicted to witchcraft. Willow is slowly recovering, with help from her friends.
"Not all TV shows are talking about it," Marsters said.
He also praised the show for its normal depiction of a lesbian relationship, the one between Willow and fellow witch Tara (Amber Benson).
"The Tara relationship, so controversial in the beginning, has been integrated so organically. It's a gay relationship that not's about being gay, that's not about having the first gay kiss. I don't know a precedent for it."
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"Everthing's just turning out so dark..."
"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"
by AutumnT » Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:28 am
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by tommo » Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:56 am
quote:
I don't think it makes me a bad guy. I just make the wrong choice. I just don't know any better. I see everybody so happy and getting what they want all of the time, and it comes so difficult for me. So if I can just be in control and boss them around and call myself this evil genius, it's a nice way to explain to myself and everyone else why I'm not a part of what's going on. Because I choose not to be. Because I'm above it. Because I'm an evil genius.
Hmmm. So Warren is that way because he chooses to be? Ugh. That makes me hate him even more.
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by xita » Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:03 am
by Dr.G » Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:31 am
by Web Warlock » Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:51 am
I did like the idea of the LG being an evil boy band (I know, redundant), but not even Joss is that cruel.
Warlock.
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by Dr.G » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:04 pm
by EricAlan69 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:07 pm
Adam really nails the underlying theme of the season, too, when he mentions that if Warren were just pure evil, he'd basically be a demon, and after five seasons of that, it'd be another black and white issue. He's human, and so misguided that his take on reality is totally skewed. Did he set out to kill Katrina? No, he didn't. His fantasy life has just come to rule, and when things didn't go the way he planned, he freaked and killed Katrina by accident. Then, since this also wasn't according to his plans, he chose to depersonify her and the act- he's just ignoring reality, and his choices have taken him to an increasingly dark place.
And, of course, if you think I'm defending Warren's murder of Katrina and subsequent cover-up of the fact, then you're completely missing the point. It's horrible, but much *more* so because he's not a demon at all, just a very deluded little boy. That's what's really scary.... Kudos to Team Whedon and Adam Busch for this character, because he makes The Master, Angelus, The Mayor and Glory seem tame in comparison.
love and witchie-chix,
e.
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by Dr.G » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:27 pm
quote:
I don't think we're bad people, at least for my character. I don't think I'm a bad person.
Well if you think that is nailing the character then I would respectfully disagree with you. If all his actions up to date do not make Warren a bad guy then I have no idea what does. Humans are capable of evil. And in Buffyverse demons are capable of good. I am well aware that on this show nothing, including Warren, is black and white, that is part of it's great appeal, but to say Warren is not a bad guy *after* last week's episode is stretching it too bloody far for me.
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quote:by EricAlan69 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:49 pm
e.
by xita » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:59 pm
by Dr.G » Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:59 pm
quote:
But doesn't that make your character a bad guy then?Busch: I don't think it makes me a bad guy.
That is Adam Busch talking about Warren for sure, and then it looks like he switches back to talking as if Warren were describing himself.
Like I said, I hope this interview was done *before* last week's episode and I get the feeling it was, but otherwise I'd really have to disagree completely with his description of Warren, and there is no excuse for the perfect guy thing.
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quote:by tommo » Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:47 pm
And there is no excuse for what he did with Katrina. Just...just none. I think it all became clear to me when he told her to tell him she loved him, and then told her to get on her knees. Blergh.
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by drlloyd11 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:39 pm
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by EricAlan69 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:09 pm
Of course, we're all reading into what he said a little different, which is what makes life at the Kitten fun and lively!
e.
by Kendahl897 » Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:37 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:41 pm
Everything from the fourth act of Episode 16 onward remains a complete mystery at this point.
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by Dazey » Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:49 pm
by Cipher » Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:03 pm
quote:
Originally posted by xita:
Is it me, or does Adam seem to have no grasp on the character of Warren at all? I mean I understand he wants to not play a total sleaze but ... hmm yeah.
It's interesting to compare Warren with Faith. Faith sorta thought, "I killed a guy; I must be evil." ...even though it was mostly an accident. She then embraced "evil" and got progressively worse. Warren though, seems to think more like, "I'm a 'super-villain' but I'm not really evil. Killing Katrina was an accident; I'm not really a bad person; it's not like I meant to kill her." ...even though his attack on her was far more deliberate and lacking in justification than Faith believing she was staking another vamp that had attacked them. In some ways Warren is far a more creepy "bad-guy" than Faith was because he just doesn't get how wrong and out-of-bounds his behavior is.
In that sense, Adam description seems pretty consistent with how Warren would view himself.
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And at the end he says the 3 of them make up the perfect guy? I hope that's a joke.
Warren has confidence but lacks moral sense and understanding of others. Jonathan has a moral sense (though he seems to perhaps bury it at times) but lacks confidence and understanding of others. Andrew is sensitive to others but lacks confidence and common sense. Put them together the right way and you get a sensitive guy who knows right from wrong and has the confidence to stick with what's right. Further embellish this quick example with other positive traits from the characters (since we don't know much about the actors we'll just look at the characters) and you could make a pretty decent ("perfect") guy. I think that's the way Adam meant it.
Basically, they aren't cookie-cutter bad-guys. Each of them is going down this path for their own particular reasons due to their own personal character issues. But each of them also has something good about them that would contribute to making a good person. They aren't just a mass of negative attributes to make some clichéd villains. Which is of course what ultimately makes them well-written characters and worthy of being part of such a great show.
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I liked Tom Lenk's description of how he got the part. I wonder if they intended to change the character when they couldn't get the guy who played Tucker or if they only changed it when they liked how Tom played it. and it obviously wasn't Tucker (who was possibly more evil than Warren). I would hope they wouldn't blow continuity by having a different actor play a character that had been shown before, though there are times you have no choice (for example, if it were one of the scooby gang's parents that had been shown before but the original actor/actress couldn't return again).
I originally thought that Andrew, being the unknown, would turn out to be the driving evil behind the trio, but obviously that theory was way off (and I pretty much discarded it when--I think in their second episode--the flashback showed that it was Warren's idea to team up and take over Sunnydale). It's interesting to hear that they had originally planned it for Tucker to be the "leader" (though not an unknown he's clearly the most "evil" of the three from past appearances). But that wouldn't work as well for the unknown Andrew, whose flying-demon-monkeys were such a no-big that we never even saw it on the show (did Buffy even deal with it? maybe the cartoon will tell us that story some time). He's sort of a lame version of the evil aspects of Tucker (rounded out with some more positive attributes for depth), making him too "lame" to be the driving evil of the group.
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