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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JujuDeRoussie » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:49 am

Hello!!

Woow great update!

So Dani's father is Lord LeFleur, he's red haired, with green eyes... Tara didn't recognize this green eyes? I'm pretty sure they look like her love's eyes, don't they?

“I know that it is not traditional to give a present to one’s own servant but you are so much more than my servant. I love you with each and every beat of my heart. Will you accept and wear this necklace tonight, my love?”

it's good to read this... there's still something wrong under this but it's better...

really interesting update, with enough informations to let my brain work on hyposesis about the waiting ^^

“The Ladys Maclay have been: Lady T’rese Maclay who gave Lady T’nol Maclay who gave Lady A’mel Maclay who gave Lady C’therine Maclay who’s son married Lady D’anna Maclay who gave Lady C’therine Maclay who gave Lady H’pe Maclay who gave Lady S’an Maclay who gave Lady A’ria Maclay who gave Lady C’therine Maclay who gave Lady T’rese Maclay who’s son married Lady E’beth Maclay who gave Lady B’th Maclay who gave Lady T’bitha Maclay who gave Lady F’cis Maclay who gave Lady P’mela Maclay who’s son married Lady R’reta Maclay who’s son married Lady W’nnie Maclay who gave Lady C’therine Maclay who gave Lady D’nli Maclay who gave Lady E’beth Maclay who’s son married Lady S’th Maclay who gave Lady T’solde Maclay who gave Lady C’therine Maclay who gave Lady R’ael Maclay who gave Lady T’my Maclay who’s son married Lady T’rese Maclay who gave Lady T’ra Maclay who took as her mark-bound servant D’ni.”

Someone had to have much fun to write this... :lol Have you try to read this aloud? it's really fun,but maybe it's my (bad) accent! ;-)

Waiting for the next part...

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby PancakesinBellies » Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:20 am

Uh-oh. It's starting to hit the fan. *gnaws fingers in anticipation* Nice update!
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby sacinema » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:46 am

First things first:
It was, more simply put, something which did not happen.
I was so glad to read that. This sentence ended my worst fears of someone taking the priviledge of mark-rights during the celebration. At least it won't happen at this occasion. Thank you.

Second thing to say: I'm sorry for never leaving feedback for the last chapter. I'm one lousy reader and too slow. But thanks anyway that you updated so quickly.

For the first time this update gave me a discomfort feeling about the girls' situation. Like Tara it gave me bad impressions that all the five-mark noble men had the right to put their hand on Dani's mark. It's like – in Germany we have this expression about a Damokles sword hanging over your head – doom's impending soon. At least for now she is safe. Don't get me wrong – I don't defend a society were some people are more equal than others (but isn't any society more or less like that?) –, the concept of mark-bound servants and their masters or mistresses doesn't disturb me so badly. At least it doesn't seem so bad at the Maclay estate. What I'm really disturbed about are the so called mark-rights. It makes a female servant the property of every equal or higher ranked noble man. That's a brutal concept for a society which praises womanhood so much with this magic thing. And it seems like noble women are highly appreciated and are able to gain a lot of power for themselves. So long you didn't tell us bad stories coming from the noble/servant-concept. Even if Dani used to work a lot more than Tara did. The connection between servant and noble (man or woman) seems to bear a lot of respect for each other and from society equally to both of them. Maybe it's just the Maclay's way and other estates handle the concept totally different. (We can't know that by now) But Tara seems to have an inner understanding that the concept is accepted by both servants and noble. And they don't doubt it. She also seems to know deep down how wrong the concept of mark-rights is, even if she is just worried about Dani and her well being (despite being jealous).

Until now no noble man seems to take further interest in Tara. That's a good sign, isn't it? Come on, I'm just trying to drive away the angst I feel for the girls.

You gave us so many clues in this update to think about. It's wonderful. Who might this mysterious daughter of Lord Lafleur be? Maybe a certain someone we already know? It would explain a lot. I wonder how this society reacts to illegitimate daughters especially to one who took the gift of magic from a noble family. I doubt this society would be very fond of this person. And I really fear for that daughter now, wherever she might be at the moment.

And this freed servant of Tara's mother? How interesting is that, she has a female companion. Aha. Who knows what's going on between them? I wonder if this concept will give Tara or Dani any ideas. There seem to be other possibilities to form a living than the ones which are favored on the estates. Maybe Tara or Dani or both of them will want to know more about that?

Tara is really growing up. She makes her own conclusions now and starts to question things. It was highly perceptively and wise of her not to mention D'Shel's sauce making abilities. Even if I don't know what could have happened if she did and also she didn't. But she anticipated something and acted totally out of instinct. Well done, Tara.

There is one thing I really don't get. As I remember correctly, you said Tara will leave the estate if she finds a suitable husband and be the Lady of his estate. So the concept will be for every five-mark daughter to leave the estate with a husband? As long as I got it right most of her female ancestors were the born daughters of the estate. Only a few women were wives from – what I assume – the first born son of the estate. How did her ancestors became mothers? And Tara is expected of bearing an heir to the Maclay estate. But how can she do that? Is she aloud to carry a baby without marrying? Like taking a man to bed until she is pregnant? If she is not, how can she be able to bear an heir if she is married to a noble man of another estate? I doubt her children will be the heirs to the Maclay estate in that case. Otherwise there would be no heirs to the foreign estate. This thought is really bothering me. Maybe I just got it wrong. I promise, I will over read your former statements about this.

So Tara's body is humming with excitement right before bedtime. I wonder what the next chapter will give to us. I'm really looking forward to it. Thanks for this update anyway. It was brilliant like always.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby morningstar » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:06 pm

YAY!
This was such a cool update. in the previous update I was quite upset with Tara because while she is only 17 (and 17 year olds can be very mature if I do say so myself :whistle ) she has grown up in that world and as 17 year olds know the rules in this world I would expect no less from Tara about her world. She knows the rules and what the servants must do but it seemed like she was not considering Dani.
I was glad to see in this update that Tara expresses some sort of consideration to what her power over Dani can force Dani to do against her will.
Tara’s jealousy was actually quite fitting since she now knows that any man with equal or high marks can have their way with Dani.

Making kittens very uneasy to say the least.

And in addition to all that Dani’s father is here… he is here right?

Can’t wait for the next update!!! (It was a very extra treat to the early closing of school :party )
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby spells42 » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:59 pm

Deb
At last we come to it: the mysterious guest who appears to have all the evidence stacked up against him as being the man who fathered Dani. First there's this:
Estate we had never interacted with before—Lefleur. They had traveled long from a Northern land and I smiled to see features so like my own Dani’s. The Lord’s hair was still a bright red

Then, the evidence that he'd 'squandered' his daughter's birthright:
This girl, in spite of her magical ancestry, was not an active magic user.
and
One of her parents had squandered their magic. Either her father had fathered another daughter prior to her birth or the Lord was not in fact her father. Her features were similar to his

Then, later, asking suspicious questions about sauce makers of Tara..... But, you know what Deb? I think you're tricking us. Laying a false trail. And I'm on to you! (I'm going to look a right idiot if I'm wrong, aren't I?) lol.
Deb, fascinating as usual. The girls' relationship is intensifying, and still Tara has given little thought to the future. She knows what is expected of her, as does D'ni (I wonder if her tears following the little talk with D'rs were due to being reminded that Tara would in all probability meet her future husband at this do.), yet it takes the formal mark touching - on D'ni's hip - to make her jealous. Yes, she'd thought about the possibility of someone taking mark rights and dismissed it, and then buried her head in the sand again.

I found the whole servant marks display and touching very humiliating for D'ni. Nice to have a beautiful dress made for the occasion, but its got a hole in it that shows her hip! And then half a dozen strange (and not so strange as this included Tara's father and uncle) men putting their hand on her hip, symbolically declaring their power over her, and possibly, with the magic, D'ni would feel her powerless state physically as well.

Sighhhh, but they are both products of their environment, and, so far, nothing has happened to make them see without the blinkers imposed by that conditioning.

This is an excellent story in the way you make us think about taking things for granted, in accepting the status quo as being the only way, about the need to question and evaluate our society.

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby watty » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:13 am

Well, not bad, threatening, violent abusive, but there's so much interdependency and inequality in their relationship that it just feels like there's some ... if not abuse, it's advantage taking ... going on.

I kinda think it's far too convenient and obvious for Dani to be the Lefleur's first born, magically inclined daughter. You've always spoiled us with subtle and clever hints that yeah, it's too plum -- the physical similarities, the missing magic, even D'Shel's sauce all points to there being connection between Dani, D'Shel and the Lefleurs. Really it's too much of a coincidence, then again you could be playing us right into our suspicions. You know we may not believe you so you put the clues right in plain sight. :hmm And yes, I know your answer: "we'll see."

I was mesmerized by the description of the occasion, how both Tara and Dani were dressed and the way they were each stunned by the other's appearance. I wanted to be a junior court photographer, recording the event. Why are servants' marks put on their hip? Is it to hide them ordinarily or because on occasions like this when the marks are on display that they have to bear a part of their body that is usually only seen and touched by someone in an intimate situation? Of course Tara is jealous of all the lords putting their hands on her girl, she just gave Dani their (in the way of their relationship) equivalent to an engagement jewel!

In the hall proper, I was blown away by how imperious Tara's introduction was. Her father reciting her lineage, it's like that passage in Genesis that starts with Adam and continues on and on about who begat who -- the point is, it's the length of the recital, the sheer number of direct ancestors that shows how strong the line is. Of course it also means Tara has an obligation to contribute an heir to the line.

Other parts of the celebration were equally grand, like I said I would have liked to be present to experience and photograph it all. Tara is in her element as lady of the estate, that she never got tired of the procession of people filing past to greet her. Now I know how the royal family must feel like. Touched that her mother's freed servant was there to honor the occasion, and even more touched that Tara (and Dani) kneeled to greet her. Whatever problems I have about the one-sidedness of Tara's relationship with Dani (and none of it deliberate, now I understand it), she makes her upbringing and station proud.

Never far away in this story is how class-driven this society is. Right there in everything that happened during this ball. Not that anyone is complaining, the nobles know their place (5 marks before 4 marks before 3 before 2 before 1 before none and no one questions it), the servants know what is expected from them, Dani willingly accepting the touch of various lords' marks, and even Tara swallowing her jealousy at that act (though I wonder if she'll claim her mark-rights after they get into their bed, because of the pent-up discomfort she's been feeling all night).

Still loving it. :clap
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:24 pm

Dianneswillowtree – Dibs for you again. Yep, pain coming.
I fear this is her family, her free family come to clam her.
I would say that you are partly correct on that one. I will say this straight out: This family, whether hers or not, is not the source of angst for this particular story.

Anyway, thanks for your trust.

dlline – Hello there. Well, I guess I’ve sucked you into reading a WIP? Yes, definite plot thickening. I’m glad you liked the breakdown of Tara’s lineage. It was kind of fun to write it all out and think of names that nobility would have and then take out a vowel. Thanks so much.

db[b/] –
I loved the ornateness of the event and the sense of rigid tradition -- both lovely and restrained.
Thank you so much. I want to tread the line between depicting the formality and boring my readers to death with the descriptions. I’m glad this seemed to work.

I agree that Tara was balking at tradition yet the things she did were either approved by her father (the necklace and bowing to Desiderata) or actually are the tradition (Dani not being required to bow during her presentation). But yes, she is definitely moving toward thinking about Dani’s autonomy and freedom.

Everyone has picked up on the Lefleurs. I will say that I think that most people’s theories on the Lefleurs are right on target. At the same time, they will not provide the angst for this story. And the jealousy? Huge and quite ugly.

Theories are begining to churn around in my noggin. Hmmmm. Will things be unveiled/reveiled?
Eventually…

Thanks.

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JujuDeRoussie – Thanks so much. I will not disagree about Dani’s father.
Tara didn't recognize this green eyes? I'm pretty sure they look like her love's eyes, don't they?
You would think. I think that Tara shows herself to be a bit thick in this update. I mean she’s kind of just reporting the events without really investigating them very far which, while irritating, does seem to be somewhat in her character. It’s also possible that she was completely aware of the import of the events of the night but that she doesn’t want to get ahead of her tale (keep in mind that she has spent her life listening to an oral storytelling tradition. She knows how to tell a tale and build the suspense and may be doing that to avoid putting things in the story to early.)

“I know that it is not traditional to give a present to one’s own servant but you are so much more than my servant. I love you with each and every beat of my heart. Will you accept and wear this necklace tonight, my love?”


it's good to read this... there's still something wrong under this but it's better...

Oh yes. Absolutely something wrong but at the same time, Tara is quite sincere in the depth of her love for Dani. I do want to communicate that: there are some serious issues here with their power imbalance but Tara does love Dani wholly.

Have fun with your hypotheses.

Someone had to have much fun to write this... Laughing Out Loud Have you try to read this aloud? it's really fun,but maybe it's my (bad) accent!
Yes. I did have fun doing it. I tried to come up with a lot of royal sounding names and then took out the first vowels. My biggest decision was trying to decide what should be the verb for birthing a Lady? Gave? Bore? Begat? Created? I hope it works this way.

Thanks so much.

PancakesinBellies – Thanks so much.

sacinema – You are so welcome about my relieving your fears about the marks-rights. I wanted to make that clear as early on as I possibly could. Don’t worry about the feedback for the last chapter. I love your feedback but understand about being busy.

For the first time this update gave me a discomfort feeling about the girls' situation. Like Tara it gave me bad impressions that all the five-mark noble men had the right to put their hand on Dani's mark. It's like – in Germany we have this expression about a Damokles sword hanging over your head – doom's impending soon.
Sure from the myth. I think the expression would be approximately the same here but most people don’t know the myth so I don’t hear references often. But yes, there is impending darkness.

I get what you’re saying about not judging the society too harshly and yes I think that there are certainly things in our society that are acceptable but not really reasonable.
What I'm really disturbed about are the so called mark-rights. It makes a female servant the property of every equal or higher ranked noble man. That's a brutal concept for a society which praises womanhood so much with this magic thing. And it seems like noble women are highly appreciated and are able to gain a lot of power for themselves.
Excellent observations about the contrast here. I think that there are a few reasons that marks-rights are acceptable in this society. This society is very committed to a male/female balance and they praise sex and sensuality. They honor it in a way that our society does not. You might notice that no one ever complains about their spouse being unfaithful. Really the only rules are the social rules that have to do with squandering your magic or bearing an heir which is not your husband’s. Other than that, all people in this society can pretty much have relations without judgment. So they don’t really see the sharing of marks-rights to be such a bad deal for the servant and I don’t think it would occur to most of them to think that it might be a bad thing. And in a way the marks-rights are a balance factor: only women and highly powerful women at that can create marks and one of the things they create are the marks-rights. Does that make any sense? Understand that I’m not saying that it is any more disturbing to think about Dani being basically forced to share marks-rights with some man just because he has a high enough station.

So long you didn't tell us bad stories coming from the noble/servant-concept.
Interesting that you mention that. I actually had a few paragraphs written on just that topic back in the journey update but I wanted to limit the number of references to bad things… Basically that paragraph said “we knew that some nobles didn’t treat their servants well… blah blah blah… I’m so glad it’s different on our estate…” Kind of the equivalent of saying “some trashy people kick their dogs” or something to that effect.

Even if Dani used to work a lot more than Tara did. The connection between servant and noble (man or woman) seems to bear a lot of respect for each other and from society equally to both of them. Maybe it's just the Maclay's way and other estates handle the concept totally different.
I think that you’ve hit it on the head very well and that it’s pretty consistent in their society. Being the mark-bound servant of is a highly respected and valued position. I guess it’s kind of like the movie The Devil Wears Prada. We watched it a few weeks ago and I didn’t like it all that much. However, if you saw that movie you know that the protagonist (Anne Hathaway who by my count has now gotten to work with Meryl Streep, Julie Andrews, and Ang Lee) voluntarily takes a job in which she is treated terribly. I mean terribly! And she does it even though it starts to change the person she is into a very different and less likable person because she wants what she believes she will get her ahead in the business world.
She also seems to know deep down how wrong the concept of mark-rights is, even if she is just worried about Dani and her well being (despite being jealous).
I’m not sure that she has any worries about marks-rights as a concept but I respect your position. I would say that her entire feelings about it are really based on her jealousy and not a general feeling.

I totally understand your concern for Tara’s marriage future. We don’t know that anyone has taken an interest in her but it’s also possible that she is just very clueless or that that person is going through some other channels to open a dialog. I know that’s a strange way to put it but it’s very likely that her marriage will be a political event in addition to any other meaning.

Good questions about the Lefleur daughter. Society is not particularly friendly toward children who “steal” the magic. At the same time, they generally are presented with the issue when the child is a baby. Assuming that Dani is that child, D’Shel got her out of immediate danger and has seen that she is educated in such a way that she might be protected. Still, it’s not an irrelevant concern.

Your questions about Desiderata’s freedom and her choice of companion are valid ones. And yes, I think that Tara is finally growing up. She has been trained in diplomacy and she is finally learning what that means.

There is one thing I really don't get. As I remember correctly, you said Tara will leave the estate if she finds a suitable husband and be the Lady of his estate. So the concept will be for every five-mark daughter to leave the estate with a husband? As long as I got it right most of her female ancestors were the born daughters of the estate. Only a few women were wives from – what I assume – the first born son of the estate. How did her ancestors became mothers? And Tara is expected of bearing an heir to the Maclay estate. But how can she do that? Is she aloud to carry a baby without marrying? Like taking a man to bed until she is pregnant? If she is not, how can she be able to bear an heir if she is married to a noble man of another estate? I doubt her children will be the heirs to the Maclay estate in that case.
Excellent series of questions. The Lady of an estate (or someone who is “to be” the Lady – having 4 marks or first born of the Lady) can leave her title vacant to take a title as the Lady of another estate. However, she could marry (with no stigma) someone who does not strictly equal her rank. If she marries a man of fewer than 5 marks (a non-Lord) he will get 4 marks but will not become Lord of her estate (much like the husband of the Queen is the Prince while the wife of the King is the Queen). A man can not become Lord by marrying a Lady even if the title of Lord is vacant but a woman can become Lady by marrying a Lord if the title is vacant (and he has not been married before). In the case of the Maclays, being so highly ranked, there have been many occasions in which the Ladies (or Ladies to be) might have married someone without 5 marks or even someone with 5 marks but if the Lady feels that her own title carries more prestige, she can choose to not take her married title. In the case of T’solde, you might realize that she left her potential to become Lady Maclay upon her mother’s eventual death to become Lady Martin. This was both because she felt that the Martin title had no less prestige than her own and because she wanted her brother (Tara’s father) to have the ability to marry a woman who would eventually become Lady Maclay. Her leaving her title vacant increased his prospects because he was able to offer the Ladyship rather than being married to the Lord (which is basically what happened to Melanie). In the same way, Tara’s mother leaving her title vacant would have increased her oldest brother’s ability to find a highly-ranked wife. Re: Melanie being second wife. Don’t feel sorry for Melanie though. By marrying Lord Maclay she raised her own marks from 3 (for being a non-first born daughter of the Lady) to 4 (for being married to the Lord) and ensured that her daughters would be born to a Lord (or any sons) and ensured that she could be preeminent in raising her sister’s daughter who would one day become Lady. Whew… Does that make sense?

Oh one other thing that I thought of. It’s possible to marry someone who is not a Maclay and have your married name be Smith or Jones but your title will remain Lady Maclay if that’s your title. In Tara’s case she is Lady Maclay and that is also her name. If she were to marry but not give up her title, she would have a different last name from her title.

Re: children (Tara’s specifically). Tara’s firstborn daughter will be heir to the Maclay Ladyship unless Tara marries and takes a title as Lady of another estate. In that case, her first born daughter will be heir to that title. Her sons would not be heirs to any title unless Donnie has no sons in which case her sons will be heir to the title of Lord. If Donnie, Tara, et. al. had any other male siblings, the Lordship would go first to Donnie’s sons, then the other male sibling’s sons (without the other male sibling being eligible), and then to Tara’s sons. Can she just take a man to bed and get pregnant without marrying? Well… she could and it wouldn’t necessarily be that socially unacceptable. Here’s the glitch. She needs to bear a magic user. She can only do that if she gets pregnant by a man who has that genetics and who has not used them up. Now here’s the thing: why would a man who has magic to give give it to a woman who will not marry him? It’s a little of a reversal of the “why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?” thing. Unless he is madly in love with her, or gay, or a mench, he would be a little of an idiot to get her pregnant with an authentic magic user without taking some advantage of her title and estate. Does that make sense?

Thanks for your awesome comments.

Morningstar – Hi. Thanks so much. I know, it is very easy to get frustrated with Tara for seeming to have her head in the sand sometimes. I think that she’s one to see things from her own perspective and she has a very hard time seeing anything from someone else’s. And yes, she is definitely considering Dani’s wants to some extent.
Tara’s jealousy was actually quite fitting since she now knows that any man with equal or high marks can have their way with Dani.
Agreed.

And in addition to all that Dani’s father is here… he is here right?
Let me say this. I think that your assumptions are good ones but he will not play a major role in this story.

Thanks.

Anne – Hello again. Yes, the evidence is surely stacked against Lord Lefleur and I won’t disagree with any assumptions. That said, I do want to stress that the angst of this story will not come from Lefleur.

But, you know what Deb? I think you're tricking us. Laying a false trail. And I'm on to you! (I'm going to look a right idiot if I'm wrong, aren't I?) lol.
You won’t look an idiot. And I’ll say straight out that this trail is not the right one for this story.

I agree that Tara has given little thought but promise that she will eventually.
(I wonder if her tears following the little talk with D'rs were due to being reminded that Tara would in all probability meet her future husband at this do.),
That will be explained in the next update. I’m not sure how clear I’ll make “ah, so that was why Dani was crying…” but hopefully it will be obvious. For now let me say that D’rs had some things to tell Dani along the lines of passing on the mantle.

And yes, Tara seeing the men actually touching Dani’s hip is what is making her more jealous. It makes it real for her.

I found the whole servant marks display and touching very humiliating for D'ni. Nice to have a beautiful dress made for the occasion, but its got a hole in it that shows her hip! And then half a dozen strange (and not so strange as this included Tara's father and uncle) men putting their hand on her hip, symbolically declaring their power over her, and possibly, with the magic, D'ni would feel her powerless state physically as well.
Touching and humiliating? Interesting. In a way I can see that humiliation factor there. I think that it’s all just part of the pomp and circumstance and part of it is the symbol logy of it all. The only men who can touch Dani on the hip like that are those who have the marks to cover hers. I know that doesn’t make it any less powerless for her but it’s something…

This is an excellent story in the way you make us think about taking things for granted, in accepting the status quo as being the only way, about the need to question and evaluate our society.
Thanks so much. I’m glad it’s making people think and that people are enjoying the story.

Watty – Hello. As always, I’m thrilled to see your feedback. I get what you’re saying about their relationship and abusive. I agree that it’s a pretty messed up thing. I mean basically Tara is in love with someone who she owns (for lack of a better term). It’s pretty twisted and I don’t believe that either of them understands just how twisted that is. As far as advantage, while I agree, I don’t think that’s a word that either of them would even think of at this point. Tara is supposed to have advantage of Dani. Does that make sense?

Really it's too much of a coincidence, then again you could
be playing us right into our suspicions. You know we may not believe
you so you put the clues right in plain sight. hmm And yes, I know
your answer: "we'll see."
”I can clearly not choose the poison in front of you…” That’s what it made me think of. I’ll repeat what I’ve said above: I think that the conclusions most people have drawn from the Lefleur’s visit are pretty accurate and I can tell you that the Lefleurs have nothing more to do with the central conflict of this particular story.

I’m so happy that you liked the descriptions of the occasion and of the gowns. I can say that this story has challenged my powers of description more than any I’ve ever written (including SAI with it’s stupid challenges to write. Miss Ali says “this is the kind of challenge that’s very hard to describe. Let me say that there’s a lot of running and jumping and people get muddy and the XXX team won.”

Why are servants' marks put on their hip?
Now there’s a question I can answer and it’s crucial to the thoughts I had when I first planned this story. Seriously, one of the first mental images I had in coming up with this was of the placement of the mark. It’s on the hip for a few reasons. 1. The level of pain that would be involved in an anesthetic-less marking really could only be done on a somewhat fleshy surface (not like Willow has an abundance of flesh on her hip). 2. The hip is a location that allows the servant to either have the mark covered or not covered. The theory is that a servant should be able to carry his master/mistress’s power with him without having to show it but can show it if necessary (as opposed to say, putting it on the sole of the foot). 3. Servant’s marks are placed on the servant’s right hip at an incline. It is, in fact, placed exactly so that the matching marks will go there when a noble man puts his hand on the hip (his marks being on his left hand). It’s a kind of sick sign of complete domination but I don’t think that they really think about it like that (unless you’re a totally love-sick and insanely jealous Lady watching Lords touch your girl).

I’m glad you picked up the reference to Genesis. I considered using begat as the verb but decided that it was too obvious. I will also say that it carries a slight reference to The Blue Sword by Robin McKinley (sp) in which Aerin recites the entire lineage at her cousin/later husband’s coronation. But yes, Tara’s line is incredibly strong and she certainly has a significant obligation to carry on that line.

I’m glad that the grandness of the celebration came through in my descriptions and the descriptions of the receiving line. Yes, Tara was greatly in her element as she should be. Keep in mind that her family has been training her 24 hours a day since her infancy to fulfill her duties and preside over events like this as well as over everyday life for the Estate. Not to say that Tara is dumb but I don’t think that it would even occur to her that she might get bored with anything that she sees at duty. She wouldn’t think, “gosh this line is really long” or “this guy Riley thinks he’s such hot stuff” or “My stomach is all rumbly. I hope we have pheasant for dinner…” She just goes on and on greeting and being greeted. I think there’s an incredible amount that Tara does without actually stopping and thinking about it. Desiderata and Phoebe would have been a special guest of Tara’s father and Melanie. Tara didn’t know she was coming and couldn’t plan for her in the whole game-spreadsheet exercise.

Never far away in this story is how class-driven this society is.
Absolutely. Some people would probably just see it as ordered but everything is class. They are seated according to class (although distributed at the tables), enter according to class, dance according to class, etc.
Dani willingly accepting the touch of various lords' marks, and even Tara swallowing
her jealousy at that act
I can not stress enough how foreign an idea it would be for either of them to do otherwise. It would be somewhat like saying “hmmm. So Watty seems to breathe in and breathe out on Fridays as well as other days. Maybe she could give that up so it’s not too oppressive.”

(though I wonder if she'll claim her mark-rights after they get into their bed, because of the pent-up discomfort she's been feeling all night).
An excellent question. Mine response is not “we’ll see” but “do we actually know that Tara has marks-rights?”

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Emms » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:45 pm

After reading those replies I'm so going to have to catch up with this fic... :peace

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Willowtree252 » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:06 pm

:crash aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you broke me :cry :sob HELP.......... I think I understand :sob
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Artemis » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:00 am

Things are getting really tense - it actually made me think of that poem (alright, I admit to being a sci-fi geek: it made me think of G'Kar on Babylon 5 reciting that poem): "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold," and so on about mere anarchy and blah-di-blah. That's what Dani and Tara's relationship feels liks - they've got a strong 'centre', their mutual love and devotion, but it's being expressed in a way that's open to entropy, and nature is just taking its course. What they need to do is not strengthen the centre, but redefine the expression, so that the practical facts of their relationship aren't damaging to the inner emotion of it. But for Tara that's difficult for her to see - that the way she's been raised to understand isn't what she needs - and Dani's in a position where it's tough for her to take the initiative. And I still wonder, even if she saw a way, would she dare? How much of herself is she willing to give up for Tara? I think in the end she'll need to risk losing Tara completely, in order to have a chance of being with her in a way that isn't going to implode in the end.

I'm not doing too well at analysing all the story's various motivations and layers - it's very information-rich, and for the most part I'm just waiting to see what happens, rather than trying to puzzle it out ahead of time. But that's no bad thing (except in that it leaves me short of feedback, for which I apologise).
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:01 am

Eeks.. this update sort slipped through my nets.. gotta fix that.. :blush

I must compliment Tara's dad on remembering the entire familly line for that speech. Must have taken quite some studying :) In that scene it's also interesting that Tara feels thrilled at Dani nothing having to bow, makes me wonder how she values the bowing-down thing.

The crowd gasped as my father, D'rek, myself, and D'ni were instantly transported from his upper balcony to the top of the stairs as the seven lights on that platform lit.


Question: are talking about actual teleportation in the above scene? I *think* not since Tara wanted to display delicate control and such, but unless the described people walked over there I don't follow how they appeared on another location? (or did I miss that?? Could be done under cover of darkness I suppose)

She carried the magic, much like Anne and Faith, but was not an active user


Just to be sure the above means 'she' has no active magic inside, i.e. doesn't have any choice in being 'not an active user' ? (by choice would be like Elisa in Paths for example). Seems like Dani has a sister then, well there's something you don't read everyday... rarely even :)

Tara sees Dani more like a lover/husband/significant-other than a bound servant and at times treats her like that. Must be confusing to Dani who wants to be the perfect servant. I'm not so sure Tara sees the build-in incompatibility of those two 'functions' if you will. Then again, she's young :)

lifting my fork to take the first sip of soup and the inactivity was broken.


Soup with a fork ? How does that work ?? :lol

I did note and somewhat enjoy Tara being all jealous when Lords touched 'her' Dani on the hip. I do wonder how the lords will behave once they're drunk, lets hope their servants keep them in check. Besides, isn't it nice that Dani looks this good that men are looking at her properly? ;-)

It was interesting to read why Tara thought no men would take mark-rights with her girl. She doesn't see herself protecting Dani in person it seems. All the reasoning is class-demotion and social-outcast stuff, does that work for everybody?

The level of intimacy between mistress and bound-servant seems to be at the same level you would expect for a married couple (for Dani & Tara anyway, not sure that's normal, we don't know much about other master/servant realtions). That makes for a strange/strained relation if both master and mistresses have a bound servant. Weird to imagine... Still trying to work out how different Dani & Tara are compared to the other mark-bound servant & mistress couples.

Both Tara and Dani must have been exhausted from standing and receiving all those guests. By the telling of it, it took hours for that line to pass :sleep

Not sure what to make of the Le Fleur's yet, not sure why they are present (since Tara mentions never having had dealings with them before). Not much true danger to come from there though, Dani and her mother are well accepted into the MaClay estate (which has lotsa guards I assume), so that would be like 'you have to go through me' and we all know how well that worked, heh... :smash (besides assuming I've paid sufficient attention the male is hold 'responsible' for squandering his magic anyway, heh)

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby barnabasvamp » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:42 pm

:eyebrow Wow, I knew something was coming! Besides, what W/T fic would be complete without some kind of tragedy, betrayl, etc.

Your description of the ceremony, and all the preparations was very real. I could almost picture everything.

Look forward to more, even though I suspect it's not all good! ;-)

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:57 pm

Emms – I’ll wait to hear what you think of it when you’re caught up. Welcome.

Dianneswillowtree – If you have more questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. Oh god. I sound like I’m writing a work e-mail. You get the idea.

Chris – Tense. I agree. I’m not familiar with the poem (or Babylon 5 for that matter) but I agree that things are nearing their breaking point.
What they need to do is not strengthen the centre, but redefine the expression, so that the practical facts of their relationship aren't damaging to the inner emotion of it.
Well put. And I think that you’re right that neither of them is in much of a position to do anything effective about the situation. Would Dani dare? I can’t imagine that she could or would but we’ll see.

I'm not doing too well at analysing all the story's various motivations and layers - it's very information-rich, and for the most part I'm just waiting to see what happens, rather than trying to puzzle it out ahead of time.
A perfectly laudable approach to reading this story. Thanks for your feedback.

Grimmy – Sorry to hear but you’re caught up now. Tara’s dad has probably been practicing for months to get it all right and in one go. Imagine how embarrassing it would have been to mess something up.
In that scene it's also interesting that Tara feels thrilled at Dani nothing having to bow, makes me wonder how she values the bowing-down thing.
An excellent observation. Her thrill at Dani not bowing certainly doesn’t show that she respects the role of the servant or at least the protocol. Perhaps it’s that she sees Dani as being some “other”, not quite servant or free—just kind of something that belongs to Tara alone. I’m not sure she could verbalize it herself.
Question: are talking about actual teleportation in the above scene? I *think* not since Tara wanted to display delicate control and such, but unless the described people walked over there I don't follow how they appeared on another location? (or did I miss that?? Could be done under cover of darkness I suppose)
Yes teleportation and I agree that it isn’t terribly delicate. I think that Tara’s definition of delicateness is quite a bit different from ours. She meant more that the mark symbology (word?) is delicate. The teleportation is definitely huge power and quite impressive. Good question.
Just to be sure the above means 'she' has no active magic inside, i.e. doesn't have any choice in being 'not an active user' ?
Ahhh. A questions I had not even entertained. I think that unless one was attempting to hide (like perhaps if D’Shel actually has active magic) that no one ever has magic but does not use it. You either have active magic and practice it or carry magic and can’t use it or neither.

Tara sees Dani more like a lover/husband/significant-other than a bound servant and at times treats her like that. Must be confusing to Dani who wants to be the perfect servant. I'm not so sure Tara sees the build-in incompatibility of those two 'functions' if you will.
Oh. I agree with you at such a level I can’t even say. The two are quite incompatible and Tara doesn’t realize that in the least.

Soup with a fork ? How does that work ??
Arggghhh. Darn not proofreading closely enough. How about “well, she’s a magic user; they do shocking things!” or “You mean you don’t eat soup with a fork?” Ok, I missed that one. Darn.

The men are definitely looking at Dani nicely and Tara is definitely jealous.

It was interesting to read why Tara thought no men would take mark-rights with her girl. She doesn't see herself protecting Dani in person it seems. All the reasoning is class-demotion and social-outcast stuff, does that work for everybody?
So far it pretty much does.

The level of intimacy between mistress and bound-servant seems to be at the same level you would expect for a married couple (for Dani & Tara anyway, not sure that's normal, we don't know much about other master/servant realtions). That makes for a strange/strained relation if both master and mistresses have a bound servant.
I think that they don’t find it unusual in the least. I would think that in most married situations, the mistress has a set of rooms in which her servant stays and the master has a set in which his servant stays and the couple can stay in either (we can assume that most master/servants, mistress/servants have a more divisible room setup than Tara and Dani choose.
Not sure what to make of the Le Fleur's yet, not sure why they are present (since Tara mentions never having had dealings with them before).
Basically they are there to rekindle relations with Estates from “the South.” A marking such as this is an excellent occasion for such a visit and a very good one to meet eligibles.

Re: guards and Maclay Estate. Remember that the entire family, their servants, and most others have trained for hunting or war their entire lives. That is one benefit of being a bound servant. Dani literally has the entire Maclay Estate to defend her.

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barnabasvamp – Oh yeah. Tragedy and angst to come (further). Thanks so much. I think that the next update is pretty good (or disturbing).

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby WolfDragonGod » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:32 pm

I know this may sound stupid but umm is Dani...i hope that i spelled that right...is she Willow or something....

Also umm i have trouble but are they in love or are they just fooling around and are going to be broke apart.

I hope not i so like the way she is Tara's and only Tara's
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:35 pm

WolfDragonGod - Welcome to the thread and the board. Yes, Dani = Willow. (see the notes on the first update). And yes, they are very definitely in love in my opinion. We'll see if everyone agrees.

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby WolfDragonGod » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:37 pm

thanks...i was feeling so lots for a moment the thought of Tara with out her Willow pillow was kind of sad...anyway thanks again.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:53 pm

WolfDragonGod wrote:thanks...i was feeling so lots for a moment the thought of Tara with out her Willow pillow was kind of sad...anyway thanks again.


Willow's full name is Willow Danielle Rosenberg, as written in part of the episode _Bad Girls_. That specific part was never seen on TV though ;-(

As for Tara not seeing herself protecting Dani, having thought about it some more, that might be caused by not being able to think of situations when that would be needed. Given that Tara already surprises herself by being jealous... well, lets say she doesn't know some of her own reactions yet

Interesting point about the guards Debra. I hadn't thought of bonding that way. Dani is truly taken in as a familly member (to some extend obviously). _Familly_ reversed so to speak
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Auriam » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:48 pm

I star to read this story yesterday and since when i didn't stop, or just for doing to my work,i didn't even do to college ! Please don't be angry it's just that your story is very captiving !
And it's OK, cause the class i miss are so not productive !

I know it's Tara who write the story, but sometimes it's make me a little crazy cause i don't know what's Willow thinks !
It's ok i will life with it ;-)

Oh and LeFleur ? I'm so happy that there are a french name !
Maybe i'm wrong but it's willow name so it make me even more proud :blush
(i don't want to bother you with that but one time you write it 'Lefleur' and another one 'Lafleur')



I haven't tasted the like in many years. Do you have one servant who specializes in sauces?"

It is not in my nature to prevaricate but his question struck me as being somehow dangerous. I felt that he was asking something different from what his words said


That make me think there some trouble are coming soon !

Can't wait the next update !

Like always thank you for your stories !
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Cynthia Taz » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:05 am

And the plot's thicken...

(non-magic user daughter) + (green eyes) + (red hair) + (question brought up by Lefleur) = Lefleur's daughter

This formula sounds kinda fishy though... almost too good to be true... :hmm It also got me worried that if Willow's truely Lefleur's daughter, and he found out, would he try to take Dani away, or even worst, he (or probably his wife) try to kill her in order to secure their daughter's position in their own estate? (maybe that's the real reason why Dani's mum ran away and join the MaClay?)

And re-reading the first couple of chapters got me thinking (like i didn't do that enough already :geek) that if it was, at the end, Dani herself who chose to leave Tara to go find her 'root', so to speak. It's possible that Lefleur, if he's truely Dani's father, not finding out about Dani for all these years or simply not care about it. But it's only human for Dani to wonder about her own birth-father... no matter what the situation's going to be, there's gonna a long hard road ahead of Tara.

It's fun though to see Tara getting upset about anyone that might take the mark's right... I could imagine her growling, turning anyone who even dare to think of taking the mark's right into a toad or something... :laugh
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:42 pm

WolfDragonGod – No problem. Welcome.

grimlock72 – So right about Willow’s full name. I actually find it very interesting that we never heard on screen what Willow or Xander’s full names are nor their birthdays. We never even heard Faith’s last name either. Kind of strange.

Tara will definitely protect Willow if the need ever arises and not just because she loves her; it’s her sacred duty just as serving her mistress is Willow’s duty. And yes, Dani is truly a family member with every protection that the family carries.

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Auriam – I’m not angry. I’m glad to have you here but hope that you won’t have missed anything terribly important.
I know it's Tara who write the story, but sometimes it's make me a little crazy cause i don't know what's Willow thinks !
I totally get that and it’s very intentional on my part. But I’m glad that it’s frustrating because it means that it’s working. Does that make sense?

I totally agree that Lefleur’s words and intentions were quite different there. We’ll see what kind of trouble.

Oh and LeFleur ? I'm so happy that there are a french name !
Maybe i'm wrong but it's willow name so it make me even more proud
(i don't want to bother you with that but one time you write it 'Lefleur' and another one 'Lafleur')
Darnit. I was totally worried that I spelled it differently. I found that one and fixed it. Thanks for that. Would it reasonably translate to the flower or something to that effect? I hope so or I’m kind of stupid there.

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Cynthia Taz -
And the plot's thicken...

(non-magic user daughter) + (green eyes) + (red hair) + (question brought up by Lefleur) = Lefleur's daughter
Good guessing. I totally get the reason that you’re worried about what Lefleur would do and want to assure you that Dani is in no current danger over that situation.

I’m glad that you’re re-reading the story. I will clarify one thing: Dani can not choose to leave Tara. She is bound which means that she’s literally unable to leave or cross Tara in any way.

I love the image of Tara growling at any one who wanted to take rights. Ha ha.

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Story Title – Waiting for Dani

Chapter – 9b – The Celebration of the mark-taking of Lady T’ra Maclay and her bound servant, D’ni of the Estate of Maclay (Part II)

Author – JustSkipIt

Pairing – T/W

Feedback – Yes, please

Spoilers – None

Rating – NC-17

Disclaimer – Joss Whedon and Mutant Enemy own Willow and Tara and the Buffyverse. I’m not saying this universe is totally original but I didn’t steal it from any author or creator that I know of. No copyright infringement is meant by this fic and I will not make any money from it.

Notes – Additional Notes at the end of this update.

When we reached my rooms I could still hear the music from the ballroom in spite of the fact that most of the guests had left the ball. More than a few noblemen had left with first one servant and later another. While not keeping track by any means, I had noticed D’elam leaving with someone. When T’dre had given me a kiss and left moments after with one of the noblemen from the North, a man with whom she had seemed quite interested while dancing earlier, I smiled and told her to enjoy herself. She had playfully swatted my bottom with her bag but had assured me that she would do so at my insistence.

Dani shut the door behind us and leaned against it with a loud sigh. She was exhausted and her hair hung in ringlets at the edges where the exertions of her dancing were obvious. She was still leaning against the door when she pulled off her shoes and set them carefully to the side. I turned and was watching her joyously when she raised her gaze and seemed to see me finally. “I should get you out of your gown, My Lady.”

She started to push herself off the door but I reached her in two steps before she could do so. For moments I just brushed my fingertips along her cheeks, looking deeply into her eyes. When I spoke, my voice was breaking. “Do you know how much I love you?”

Dani leaned her face forward so that our lips were almost touching. “Tell me, Tara.” She closed the slim distance and I could feel the beating of her heart through the connection of our lips. And for a long time I didn’t think of her words, could think of nothing else but the feel of her body trembling against mine.

Finally I began to step backward toward the bed, pulling her along with me and then remembered what she had asked. “Why don’t I show you?” I whispered as I reached around to unfasten the first tie on her gown.

Her hands went as quickly to the bindings on my dress and began to work in what was very obviously a more practiced manner than my own even as I felt her nod against my mouth. Practice or not, my determination was quite fierce and we eventually found ourselves completely divested of our fine ball gowns.

I don’t mean to say that this process was quick. By no means was it. Rather we moved slowly, almost torturously slowly to remove each scrap of our clothes, reveling in the skin underneath it. Of course, we had seen each other naked every day of our lives, bathed each other, snuggled, but this was different. My skin hummed with excitement and passion and I shook if I didn’t continually press my hand or foot to the bed to ground myself in the reality of the moment. Many times we stopped so that one of us could get her breath or stop shaking. And when all barriers were removed, we seemed to move between a perfect understanding of the way to touch each other and an overwhelming innocence as nearly every movement was accompanied by a questing touch and raised eyebrow or “is this ok?”

I almost thought my girl was teasing me with her nervousness as my memory flashed back to how she loved me after my marking. But it was clear that that was not so. Perhaps that night she was simply fulfilling a duty or perhaps she felt confident and was helped by my state. Whatever the reason, her nervousness this night was as genuine as my own and we slowed many times to reassure each other.

I… we…

I blush to think of it, to tell it now. We were… intimate in every way I think I knew at the time. Wholly open to each other. Giving and taking. Taking and giving and both were the same in every moment. And we began to learn each other. To learn the feel of skin and lips and tongue. What makes her move like that or make that sound or that more high pitched sound?

We were so connected that night.

I ran my tongue slowly over her mark, wanting to touch and love her there and when I did I felt a spark against my mouth. I could tell she felt it too and it wasn’t uncomfortable but it was unusual. And later. When I… when I touched her… and my mark touched her wetness… it was like electricity for both of us. And it felt as if she was touching me also…

I blush and can’t go on like this.

With every heart beat and every motion of that night I knew how I loved her. I whispered it over and over.

The last time that she… How does one say this? When she cried out my name over and over and I rose up her body again, kissing a trail until I reached her lips and cheeks and eyes. And her cheeks were wet with the salt of her tears. I held her then. So tightly and hugged her to me and repeated how I loved her and was she ok? And she simply said, “Yes, My Lady.” And she paused and whispered that she hadn’t known if this would happen.

And I kissed her again and told her that of course it happened. That she was my girl.

And we fell into the deepest, although very short sleep of our lives and I held to her tighter and tighter in my dreams.

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The next morning afforded us no time to lounge in bed, much as we would have wished. We both had many duties both social and logistical to attend. Dani was up and dressed when she woke me with a few kisses and then resisted my playful attempts to pull her back into our thoroughly mussed sheets. I grumbled but rose from the bed and bid her to go about her duties as I dressed myself. While I liked the way we looked in our ball gowns, pulling on my fine riding clothes seemed to me a portent of a more relaxed type of fun.

My day would be quite full indeed and Dani reviewed both her and my expectations as she made the bed and handed me my riding boots. Dani would be supervising the house staff in their preparations for lunch and dinner as well as visiting with each of the mark-bound servants to ensure the needs of their masters and mistresses were fully met.

Our guests engaged in a variety of events and entertainments over the next two days. On this second day of the celebration, every free minute would be taken up by various contests of physical skill: riding, shooting, running, wrestling, hand-to-hand, and fencing, as well as other competitions. All celebration attendees were permitted to join in the competitions although they had to commit to a contest by a certain hour so that the pairings or heats could be scheduled. Dani and Faith played no small part in determining those pairings, serving on a committee with Master Finn, Miss LeFleur, and a few other nobles. Finn’s servant, a fit dark-skinned man named Forrest lacked any hint of personality and seemed more machine than man. Nonetheless, his calculations and suggestions aided us in our challenge to match and pair the contests.

Other available entertainment came from three fine bards, each of whom had staked out a distant corner of the courtyard and seemed to glory in gathering large crowds for their tales and performances. Dani came to find me shortly before the lunch break as the most highly heralded bard in the land began the story of my parents’s love. I noted that Dale and Donnie were there as well and paid the performer generously on the completion of his art.

My father and I also sat in conference much of the day and the next morning—either jointly or separately. For obvious reasons, gatherings such as this were an excellent opportunity for meetings between and within Estates. As a group we discussed and decided strategies for optimization of crop yield, redistribution of knowledge and skill among Estates, and other important policies of our land. Many of our young guests would return home with an Estate other than their own to foster goodwill and gain specific knowledge and training not available at their own home. And of course, many of these guests would also seek appropriate partners or contact with others at their new home.

It was also tradition that at a mark-binding celebration, the Lord and Lady of an Estate could not refuse an audience with any member of that Estate nor of the villages surrounding. Very few free men and women (Gael, Desiderata, and Phoebe have been mentioned prior) are invited before the third day of such a celebration but many servants came to conference with one or both of us that day. Some carried a request or grievance while others simply came to take advantage of the opportunity for direct contact and to pay their respect.

One meeting which had quite an emotional component for both myself and my girl was my audience with D’rs. Having been bound to my grandmother, her meeting deserved attention from both myself and my father. Dani announced D’rs and I could see that her eyes were again wet with tears. D’rs bowed in respect to us and then took the offered seat. She spoke plainly and beautifully of the honor of serving three generations of the Maclay estate. She was clearly touched by her memories of my grandmother and mother and took my hand as she again repeated her statements of the night before that it had been an honor to see me raised to my Ladyship. It had been, she explained, her commitment to herself that she would serve our family long enough to see me so honored. She then humbly requested freedom from her binding. My father spoke when he realized that I was crying too hard to do so for I had realized her purpose in coming and why Dani kept crying when she spoke to Doris. While we would not and could not deny the request, it being her right with my grandmother gone, I felt sad at the thought that she would be leaving our Estate.

“Lady Tara and I thank you for serving our house these many years. We will be sad to see you leave our family but will never forget the honor you have performed.” I had regained my composure and we stood together and bowed to her to show our respect.

“I would be honored to artist your mark the day after this celebration closes or we can ask Miss T’dre,” I told her.

Doris smiled as she told me that she would also take it an honor to accept the freed bond from me. She stayed a while longer to discuss some financial matters. Suffice it to say that when Doris took her freedom two days hence, her hands and pockets would be far from empty. I left her with the teasing that she should come up with her desired name so that we could perform the mark well.

Another quite interesting series of meetings involved a Maclay estate about a two day ride from ours. It was quite a long and involved tale involving my great-grandfather’s youngest brother’s enrollment in the military, meeting a beautiful noble woman with low marks and marrying her. Through a series of accidents and fights (none related to or showing badly on my great-great-uncle) the estate had eventually become part of the Maclay Estate. That couple had then had four girls and three boys with only one of the girls living to adulthood. She had married well or at least up in rank but had only had one son. That son had not married and although he was young, now was in very poor health. The Estate sent its Steward to the celebration, technically a free man much like Gael, but working exclusively for the Estate.

This Rupert Giles brought with him a veritable library of records detailing the Estate’s fortunes (or lack thereof) from my grandfather’s time. My father and I sat in conference with him for hours reviewing the financial records, crop production, even birth, death, and judicial happenings in the surrounding villages (of which there were two). The acreage was about 1/3 ours but crop production was much lower than that. The records showed that at this rate the Estate could continue to support itself, drawing on prior funds, for at most three more years. Then we would either have to begin to support its losses or sell off land.

By the time we completed this meeting dusk showed in the skies and my father and I both retired to bathe and prepare for our banquet. The second night banquet would be nowhere near as elaborate nor as formal as last night’s but still quite an event. It was again followed by dancing although this night guests also could avail themselves of gaming rooms or sitting parlors if they preferred. They had, in effect, full run of the castle.

All members of my family took part in all the available entertainment, mixing and mingling with all the guests. I noted again that Anne seemed quite attached to Master Finn and walked close by a few times to engage in some close scrutiny. He appeared slightly nervous at the attention but nowhere near as nervous as he should have been. Faith danced with a variety of guests with a great deal of vigor but I could not detect that she paid any closer attention to any one man than any other. I grinned as Dani whispered to me in passing that Melanie would be very disappointed.

The second evening capped an incredibly busy and successful day for the Maclay Estate. The high ranking of our family was borne out by our repeated good showings in all competitions. Faith had won two riding and two shooting competitions; Donnie had come in second in one of those as well as winning a hand-to-hand event and wrestling for his weight grouping; Dani had won a hunting from horseback event and of course stood to win the Chest challenge in the morning; I had taken second in broad sword and first in rapier; Dawn had surprised everyone with a three league running win; and, Delia had even more surprisingly won her wrestling category. Anne had of course been thrilled to watch Master Finn win two long bow ribbons although he came in a disappointing eighth in his hand-to-hand contest. His apparent cousin, Master Stefan Finn, had won more events than any other competitor save Faith. He had won the riding events not won by Faith, won two shooting events, and personally beaten my little sister at the rapier. The fourth son of the third son of the previous Lord (Riley’s grandfather) and holding only two marks, he apparently fostered with Lord Finn to make use of his physical skills.

It was again late when we reached my rooms following the banquet but that does not mean that we restrained ourselves. Now that we had … been intimate it seemed that we could not do without each other again. I had Dani in my arms the moment the door was closed behind her and I can’t even remember how we made it to the bed. Oh yes, I do now. We didn’t make it to the bed for quite a while and then only when Dani convinced me that a Lady should not sleep on the floor under a table where we had rolled without noticing, more importantly, that we would be much more comfortable propped up by the abundant feather pillows and mattress.

Our movement to the bed woke us a little and gave us an opportunity to discuss the day. I expressed my pride in her and in all our family for our various victories throughout the day as well as mixed feelings of sadness to be losing D’rs but happiness for her. Dani agreed with me that she was sad to lose D’rs who had been a mentor and later friend and on whom Dani still expected to rely for years to come. But since D’rs’s “man friend” as Dani put it, the entire subject being news to me, lived in the nearest village, Dani had no doubt we had not seen the last of our honored servant and friend.

She revealed various observations of many of the guests gleaned from interactions with their servants, all of which were quite perceptive and fair in my opinion. She reported that Riley was a perfectly accomplished and respectable young man who had been quite helpful in running his father’s Estate since the taking of his marks. In truth, she had quite favorable impressions of all attending our event.

The next morning we were again out of bed long before we would have loved to stay. The competitions concluded with Stefan and Faith each taking another win with their shooting at moving targets and Dani championing the Chest tournament. The final game, between Dani and Lord Lefleur was quite an event as they bent over the board in concentration. When he had knocked over his King to show his surrender, Lord Lefleur had bowed to Dani in her victory. While many only viewed the physical competitions as being important, Dani’s win was quite a feat and one which in which the Maclay Estate could take much honor. Lord Lefleur later joked to me that his family was well known for their mental acuity, particularly at games of strategy and that perhaps Dani would be better suited on his Estate than ours. I laughed off his teasing for the compliment that it was for my girl. His coveting her, even in jest, showed her great value and prestige but nothing could make me value her more than our love.

In the afternoon, the villagers and more than a few visitors from other villages began to arrive. The south field was set up as a fair and fete and many of them came toting their wares for sale or trade. We were quite proud to boast the fine products of our nearby citizens and felt quite sure that the visiting nobles would spend their riches eagerly. Rather than a formal receiving line, my family would spend the afternoon circulating and visiting the stalls and social areas of the event. Three temporary taverns had been set up with complimentary ale, wine, and food for our visitors and these saw very good foot traffic throughout the day. Two of these ran music for those who wished to dance and this was a frequent pastime.

Our villagers, of course, recognized those of our Estate and paid their respects quite nicely. Some choose to bow in recognition of my honor while others shook hands or nodded their heads. All customs were perfectly acceptable and I enjoyed the afternoon quite well.

Anne and Dawn spent the first half of the afternoon at the letters booth. Many of our people, while skilled at their crafts, did not know how to read or write. These brought with them letters from friends or relatives, requests to write responses from the same, or even requests for agreements they would like written. Dawn was chosen because it was a good opportunity for her to practice her own skills and Anne because I felt that she needed to learn to interact with people from all stations rather than just her own. I did note that Master Finn seemed to be loitering around the booth quite a bit and stopped by to suggest that he might assist the Anne and Dawn as the line had grown quite longish. He was quite gallant if a bit overdramatic in his declaration that he would do what he could for as long as the wait continued. Oh, he and Anne would be perfect together…

The second half of the afternoon saw Donnie and our great-cousin from Lord Martin’s family, a four-mark girl named M’lissa, whom I had seen dancing with Donnie more than the other girls, fulfilling the position at the booth. It was quite easy to see that when they had no customers, they were involved in long discussion and noticed only each other. I felt a slight pang of guilt for my own reservations in finding an acceptable match. Donnie’s wife would only become Lady Maclay if I were to vacate my title before their marriage. Still, our Estate was held in very high esteem and I could not imagine a girl refusing his offer based on her not becoming Lady Maclay. Given that I possessed neither wish to marry nor to vacate my title, my guilt did not last long or strike deep.

I believe I met every guest that afternoon and my arm verily ached by the end of the day for holding my mark in front of me so consistently. I found Xander toward the middle of the afternoon, staffing a booth with lovely carved items such as the one he had given me and greeted him warmly as well as loudly praising the workmanship of his pieces and the true sound of the whistle. He made me laugh with cute tale of one of his canes and asked that I wait while he went to find his father who he said had gone to one of the taverns for a pint. Dale happened to be standing by and offered to man the stall while we went to find the young man’s father. Xander gladly took the offer and conferred with his replacement for a moment on prices before we set off in search of the older man. When we found him, Xander introduced us with great respect on both sides explaining that his father was the master carpenter and that Xander was a mere apprentice in comparison. I answered that Builds must be quite a craftsman indeed if his skill was so superior to that of the man who had made the whistle as well as supervising the stables. I could see that Xander felt proud but he was humble at my compliment as well.

By dusk, most vendors had abandoned their stalls – their pockets weighed down with coins I had to imagine for our other guests had been quite eager to shop – and entered the feasts. We fed the villagers no less lavishly nor generously than we had our other guests for the past two days. The festival went on and on with many of the villagers spending the night in the tents Xander’s crew had erected for the purpose.

By the time Dani and I retired that night, we were both barely able to keep our feet to make it to the bed nor our eyes open. I think I might have been partially asleep when she eased my feet from my boots and I’m embarrassed to say that I was too tired to help her undress at all. I remember stirring only long enough to pull her close to me, kissing her over and over as I mumbled my sleepy “I love yous.”

Additional Note – Again, I will admit to my concerns with some content of this story and this update. I posted a discussion of some of my concerns regarding sexual ethics and this update at beta pens. I believe that we have discussed some of these concerns in this thread and invite the opportunity to continue that discussion.

• I am not even vaguely comfortable with the power imbalance inherent in the relationship as depicted in this fic. However, I must admit that this activity is truly one of the central events of the story.

I will be more than happy to discuss the sexual ethics of this update or the entire story either in this thread, the thread on beta pens, or by PM if you would like.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby skeeter451 » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:47 pm

Wow, I got dibs! :pinky

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby morningstar » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:37 pm

Yay

I realy loved this update. especially the background information on this culture and the traditions that are upheld in it. it just shows how much you think about the story and all the little bits that make it so awsome

just a very nice non angsty feel for this chap

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby tazraven » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:22 pm

I got a different feel from this chapter than I had in others. For one, I really feel like Dani loves Tara, really not much doubt about that I think. I was a little unsure about that in earlier chapters, but this one seemed... more equal somehow.

I'm not really sure how to describe it. Maybe it was Dani expressing some of her thoughts about her day. Or possibly her calling her lady Tara in the confines of their room. It just seemed better =). There were a couple parts I have to quote just because I loved them so much.

“Do you know how much I love you?”

Dani leaned her face forward so that our lips were almost touching. “Tell me, Tara.”


This bit really stuck my sweet chord. It just made my heart warm to hear Dani request something of Tara. So sweet.

And when all barriers were removed, we seemed to move between a perfect understanding of the way to touch each other and an overwhelming innocence as nearly every movement was accompanied by a questing touch and raised eyebrow or “is this ok?”


That line held such innocence. I love how they are both so concious of the other. Makes me smile =).

The last time that she… How does one say this? When she cried out my name over and over and I rose up her body again, kissing a trail until I reached her lips and cheeks and eyes. And her cheeks were wet with the salt of her tears.


Don't really know why I liked that quote so much. Guess it just hit me a certain way. Really great chapter. I love the story and I can't wait for more. Well, I can wait, but I don't wanna.

Edited to Include: Crap. I read ana.log.ue's feedback and now I just have to say oops. I still stick by my that is so sweetness, but now I'm also got that the apocolypse is coming feeling. The comments made me realize that that scene could have been taken two ways. Gues I was just too caught up in taking the love from it that I forgot about the other part. Damn. Just when I was all with the happiness...

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby db » Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:45 pm

ahhhhh.

And so it is revealed -- this finally knowing that Dani wants this -- that she is there with Tara and can call her by name and ask for what she needs is wow, such a huge step!

A few things really struck me about this update -- firstly, this is the first time Tara has show Dani that there is *truely* a different meaning around calling her "My Girl"... the phrase still makes me a little squeemish because it seems to be the crux of so much angst in the past, but it was lovely to see it reappropriated none the less. I also (how could I not) was struck by the change in level of intimacy. They are now making love -- and I guess I finally believe they are mutually in love... which, wow, talk about huge sigh of relief. I am relieved to have Tara state her love out loud, and think it was important for her to initiate the love making and was so pleased to know that Dani had been hoping it would happen, but afraid it would not.

The details of the ceremony are more of a background for me in this issue -- but I was very intrigued by the freeing of the bound servant and how that was approached... and also I found the comment by lefleurs to be telling...

I am so so engrossed by this story.

I can't wait to read what comes next!

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby ana.log.ue » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:09 am

wow, I had no idea I'm such a cynical pessimist, but I just can't seem to share other people's excitement. your writing is just so frustratingly ambiguous!

people are so happy to read about their night together after the first day of celebrations, and I'm just like, "but, but, Dani's crying... and reverting to calling Tara 'My Lady'... and her saying she didn't know if this would happen? could easily be not of the good!.. and if it is in fact not of the good, then Tara saying that duh, of course it happened, after all Dani is her girl, is just terrible..."

ambiguous, you know? *sigh* and I wanna believe in hugs and puppies and free will, but the evidence for that is insufficient. or rather an equally strong case can be made for either side.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Willowtree252 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:45 am

:pinky While I love hugs and puppys also I do believe and I have mentioned this many times that this story is going to be painfull and we all know this BUT that said this update did move us in a different direction I think and you have painted the picture of were the pain is coming from (there deep love for each other) even with the world as it is there. Thay are soulmates depite the fact that Dani is a servant and I believe that the crying and the fact that she dident think it would happen only ment that Dani wanted Tara to love her not because she had to but because she wanted to with all her heart. I think because of the word servant alot of people are underestmating Dani. :kgeek I don,t think I have told you lately but I love your writing
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JujuDeRoussie » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:07 pm

Hello!!

Again a great update!

Dani leaned her face forward so that our lips were almost touching. “Tell me, Tara.” She closed the slim distance and I could feel the beating of her heart through the connection of our lips.

I was glad to read this and also this

“Why don’t I show you?” I whispered as I reached around to unfasten the first tie on her gown.

because it was an almost equally moment you know?

When she cried out my name over and over

but then
“Yes, My Lady.”

Aaaarggg there is this Lady/Servant relationship aain, even after lovemaking... but was it lovemaking? I mean I know they love each other but with this unequality between them... i don't know it's really strange. It make me a little sad when I should be glad... I think it's what you want us to feel isn't it?

And I kissed her again and told her that of course it happened. That she was my girl.

This sentence killed me!!

Their second time less shocked me... Because it was more a moment in a couple life.. They made love and then spoke of their days... but the way Dani knows about Doris' private life (and her "friend") show how different they are... but again it's not as shoking for me as the previous night.

I'm glad Tara spoke with Xander... but I have trouble to explain why... it just seems right.

I remember stirring only long enough to pull her close to me, kissing her over and over as I mumbled my sleepy “I love yous.”

it's nice :-)

this event is really tiring poor girls!!!

It was a really great update, and the written was really pleasant.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby WolfDragonGod » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:25 pm

Great update....and all i have to say to Lord L...can't rember his whole name but anyway her better keep his hands to himself. Dani belongs to TARA
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby ringwaldoeuvre » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:08 am

I regret not leaving feedback previously, and this story is absolutely one of the most fascinating fics out there. There's a lot to cover, and I will try to be as concise as possible. Since I'm coming so late to the story, I will respond only with general thoughts, not to specific passages.

The first-person Tara perspective is clearly integral not only to the uncertainty of what will come next, but also close to the power balance. Tara seems to have a naivete about the true emotions of others, not just Dani/Willow. It's not necessarily a fault, but more the result of her sheltered and spoiled upbringing. With this in mind, she seems oblivious/immune to the suspicious things that happen around her, which includes how her position of superiority affects Dani/Willow. Most of her character development is expressed through this first-person perspective, which I think is very finely done. It's subtle, in the sense that a short passage can say a lot about Tara even if the scene is not about her.

The power balance is indeed intriguing and troubling. I would guess that it will come to a vast amount of soul-searching or some dramatic reality check (i.e. a Lord taking advantage of Willow or pressing either to marry) that will make Tara recognize the significant inequality in her relationship not only to Dani, but the others in her house. The sexual ethics question is tricky, partly because it is told from Tara's first-person perspective. We miss the substance of Dani's thoughts and feelings, and only know the things she says/does with Tara. It almost seems like Dani wants Tara to love her despite the power balance, and she considers herself lucky that she was able to serve someone that she loves. Yet it is unclear if she really wanted to be mark-bound to Tara for the social reasons, or if it is because she thought it was the only way to stay close to Tara, and it is something she truly wants or, more disturbing, thinks she wants.

I am forced to say that I don't think the ignorance or benign intentions on Tara's part justify the relationship. Sure, she doesn't mean to objectify Dani, but even innocent objectifications can have damaging ramifications. It is troubling to know that Dani could be coerced body and soul to submit to Tara. It is troubling that even if Dani recognizes the problem and wants to resist, she could not, but perhaps more troubling is the fact that Tara seems so unaware of the issue that she would not identify Dani's attempt to resist - not because of any legitimate change of heart, but because Dani is emotionally and physically unable to resist, and could not express this emotion. Even if both of them want each other, the fact that their relationship could revert to such an awful place is intrinsically disturbing.

I am guessing it will take some dramatic upheaval to make this relationship equal, while keeping them together. I think that is one of the more interesting questions you've posed through the story, which is whether lovers must be equal to survive, or whether respect and equality is separate from lust and love, and whether one can have one without the other. Also, can love be a justification for inequality?

It is also a fascinating contrast to the series. Willow attempted to control Tara, body and soul. It was disturbing then, and the converse is disturbing now. Also, the tone is very restrained, which only adds to the mystique of Dani's true emotions and makes it a very interesting read.

Again, I'm sorry I didn't get too specific, but so much of the story has passed, I wanted to give my general thoughts. Very much looking forward to more.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby sacinema » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:46 am

Wow. I feel very honored about your answer to my last FB. And all my questions are totally and wholly answered. Thanks about that. And every statement totally made sense ;-) I liked your comment about The Devil wears Prada. In my opinion the movie lacked mostly of story telling and the acting skills of a certain Anne Hathaway. She couldn’t stand a chance near Meryl Streep (not that this is in anyway an easy task, but I have seen other actresses managing that better). Both the story telling and the actress didn’t make it easy to understand the actions of this girl. And how bad is it if the bad person in the movie get’s more sympathy than the “heroe”? And yes, Meryl was a bitch and the girl was supposed to do all that for her career. But like I said – in my opion – the actress wasn’t able to bring the conflict to the audience. This was totally and only a Meryl Streep movie. A small movie for a great Meryl Streep. She should have won the Oscar for that one, too. Sorry for this of topic bit – but I had to say that. Now back to your story.

Another great chapter. Thanks. But overall I had the feeling the chapter not only served to reassure us readers about the deep feelings the girls are sharing, but also to give us the feeling of everything being in a safe place. Like the silence before the storm. It really filled me with some angst. And I’m dying to read what comes next.

On one side I’m: “They did it” and how “They did it”. Very romantic, very touching and full of love. On the other side Tara calling Dani after the event “My girl” and Dani calling her “My Lady” in the aftermath gave me a bit of the creeps. I know it’s a bit funny coming from me. And I’m not entirely sure where this feelings are coming from.

The “Tell me, Tara” part was just to lovely. For once it showed both of them – at least in their chambers – on the same level. And Dani seemed to accept the fact. I so don’t have a problem with mistress/servant-sex as long as no one (espacially the mistress) takes advantage of the other or of their position. The only thing I wonder about: How can they be so innocent if this whole society is based around having sex with someone. At least you gave a picture about that in the aftermath of the dinners. As I understood some men even got their way twice with different women in one evening? Very funny they do it a lot but don’t talk about it. And no wonder there are Lords who squander their families magic. Do they ever think about birth control? Not to speak about protection of other kinds of nasty things you can get. I’m tempted to believe this fact to be some kind of a hint. But maybe I’m totally wrong.

The update was very vibrant you showed us so many little details about the living in the markverse. Both girls are working so hard. But on different levels. And the whole D’rs story? Very touching, too. But again nobody seems to be willing to talk open about the relationship thing: “Man friend”. Or is it just our two innocent girls?

This story just keeps getting better and better. Thanks again for sharing and the constant updating. I’m always looking for one when I come to the kittenboard (and that’s often), even when I know there can’t be one. Best wishes to you and your family.
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