Willow Season 7 Multimedia Thread

[urnofosiris]

This is the thread to post season 7 Willow multimedia stuff in: caps, clips, links to downloads etc. Spoilery pics can also be posted in this thread. No need to wait till the episodes have aired. Just keep it about Willow or NOTWillow as that is probably a more fitting description. Oh well and it is ok to post a link to downloads of the entire ep so those who want to can try and find Willow somewhere in these episodes and who knows maybe even a mention of that shy blond individual she used to do spells with.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 10/16/02 7:44:15 am

[helpful information perha]

I'd also urge caution in what goes up here



if its informing those not watching of willows progress or tara's return I say great



if its just show type clips/pics, etc then isn't it just biz as usual on the board? so whedon wins cuz folks are still watching no matter tara's death and the cliche? I think we should seriously think about what belongs here



I noticed a slew of lurkers with little to no posting history wanting to join this forum and my gut tells me its because this board has a history of having great spoiler info and being a major resource for multi media/pics/clips of the new episodes for people who may not be interested in the boards ideals just in what it offers in the way of perks.



I'd hate to see the forum promoting the show if thats the case

and yes its a closed forum but that doesn't mean it won't get accessed and materials spread around some how or other

[Ange]

I'm agree with you Helpful. I'll still make the videos, caps and stuff, but it will be only about Willow. Or Tara, if she comes or if we see her. No one else.

I always made them for the real W/T fans, so i wouldn't like it to be different now.





buffy.breakthrunetwork.com/lessonsseaosn7_1.jpg



fraz.fanforum.com/buffy/lessons9.jpg



fraz.fanforum.com/buffy/lessons8.jpg



Ange.

----------------------------------- "Things are not always what they seem to be...." Shakespeare Willow & Tara Stuff Site (Videos, caps, avatars, forum...)

Edited by: Warduke at: 9/10/02 8:08:49 pm

[helpful information perha]

looks like whedon is just switching the "sad/lost" characters

last year it was buffy

this year its willow



the coven come lately's help and giles intervention seem rather - too little too late



I'm not all that about the idea that willows blue funk is over her magic addiction and killings - No furken mention of her grief over tara?? and no real consequences for her murders?



why is this coven really going to let a powerful witch who is unstable and already gone off the deep end once lose on the world again?



and why am I even talking about this

ok

out of here before I get all pissed off again

[urnofosiris]

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if its just show type clips/pics, etc then isn't it just biz as usual on the board? so whedon wins cuz folks are still watching no matter tara's death and the cliche? I think we should seriously think about what belongs here

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We have thought very seriously and very long about what we should do and this is what we came up with. The guidelines -which includes not reposting info outside this board- are clear, if someone cannot abide by them access to this forum can be revoked.



That said, no one is promoting anything here. Willow is the focus, WT are the focus. If we feel things will drift off topic we can say something until then I would not be concerned, as you note this is a closed forum, it's purpose is to serve the people of this board and among those people are those who used to just lurk. We are letting some of them in and they are as welcome as you or I.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 9/10/02 9:16:56 am

[J uk]

Just for the record, I don't think I'll be converting and hosting any episodes this year. After what happened to Lee in the summer (big fine apparently), and all the general crappiness, I don't think its worth it.

[helpful information perha]

Hello Dr G.

not sure if this belongs here so feel free to move as you please



You wrote:

We have thought very seriously and very long about what we should do and this is what we came up with.

*** I'm sure you have put a great deal of thought into this avenue and I think it a very practical approach to a thorney problem. However, it is now being put into practice with a much larger group of people who may or may not have been part of the "brain storming" so I'd imagine some kinks and the like may need to get ironed out/discussed in the practical sense to get everyone on the same page so to speak. I know personally the loss of the "I love tara and want her back" and "angry rant" threads on the other board were a shock and put me into a bit of a panic since I'd come to depend on them for comfort and venting. Their loss actually pushed me into coming here even though I'm not much interested in anything season 7 unless tara is back



The guidelines -which includes not reposting info outside this board- are clear, if someone cannot abide by them access to this forum can be revoked.

**** I can tell you from mulitple bad experiences that a closed forum is an open invitation for party crashers. and when there are a large group of individuals signed onto a board like this (esp where previoius experience with the kitty boards has been to share imformation/pics/links etc openly), I'd imagine many folks will cut and paste or pass on links to pics and the like without thinking hey this board is different from the other platforms of the kitty



You also wrote:

you note this is a closed forum, it's purpose is to serve the people of this board and among those people are those who used to just lurk. We are letting some of them in and they are as welcome as you or I.

**** While I personally don't like lurkers on closed forums (since they are private forums by design, to me lurking then is like ease dropping on a private conversation) I can understand your logic on this issue. Although when I signed on I thought the rule was 25 posts/established time period/+ recent posts to join - which gave me the impression it would be a place with few lurkers.



I also thought you posted something about hot links as opposed to putting pics in the threads



I would prefer hot links to pics I guess so I could make up my mind if I wanted to see them or not

However, I can understand not wanting to provide hot links to pics etc created for this board alone since copying links and circulating them makes them easily available to the masses



any way

thanks for taking the time to provide feedback/comment Dr G

[xita]

What garfield means is that we may not want to post the pictures directly on this thread but merely link so people can avoid accidentally seeing them. I think this is a good compromise for those watching and not watching, so that if you want to see them you can just click.

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Accept NO subsitutes

[Warduke]

I just edited so that it's links instead, it will let people who don't want to see them easily avoid them and for those who want to see them, they just have to click on the links.



Also helps with those who don't have high speed connections, stops the thread from being slow to load for dial-up users.

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Mozilla : There's a new browser on the block.

[kbk3022]

Thanks for making those pictures links.



I like that idea better because it was kind of a shock seeing those pics without warning. I usually have to build up the courage/strength to view the Season 7 spoiler pics(should I or shouldn't I look?), I'm weird like that.



Kasey

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"You should come around here on Halloween,
you'd really see something then...
we all jump off the roof and fly."

[Warduke]

That's a very good point Italiangirl, but like I said, it does help those with dial-up connections and the other point about links being better than actually posting the pics is...think of last year, when Seeing Red aired, everyone wanted to see caps of W/T in bed, kissing, etc...but almost no one wanted to see the caps of Tara being shot, or the blood splattered on Willow's shirt, so with links instead of pics, all that is avoided, people can see what they want to see and can avoid what they don't want to see.

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Mozilla : There's a new browser on the block.

[Italiangirl]

Warduke...



Oh balls. Drat on you for making a logical point about this. *grin* I can see where you're coming from in that aspect, but I still hope everyone will be careful to not step on the toes of those of us who are followers of the story. As careful as I think most of us are being not to step on anyone else's toes.



Can we just make a rule that says no toe stepping allowed? Two stepping, on the other hand...



heh heh heh.



Also, can I just say that every time I type the word "followers" I feel compelled to put "of the story" behind it because just saying "followers" makes us sound like some kind of weird Heaven's Gate cultish freaks. lol

"You're in my blood like holy wine/ You taste so bitter, and so sweet

Darling, I could drink a case of you/ And still be on my feet;

I would still be on my feet." -Joni Mitchell

[xita]

Also the other thing, I don't mind seeing pics, but Garfield does and we both have to moderate and accidents happen , some people have to build up their courage, i mean I think it will work best.



And yes thanks Ange for all the caps and video you do.

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Accept NO subsitutes

Edited by: xita  at: 9/11/02 7:20:59 am

[urnofosiris]

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Hence, safe space. I'm not viciously opposed to using hotlinks instead of embedded images, but it is kind of creating an atmosphere that feels like everyone's considerations are being accounted for accept those interested in following the story, and those kittens, myself included, (I am not watching but I AM following) are just as much in love with Willow/Tara and the board philosophy as the non watchers. You know? Sort of like if people who are not Willow/Tara shippers should not come into the Kitten board and tell us how to feel, people who are not watchers/show followers any more should not come into the spoiler and multimedia threads and tell us how to feel.

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So basically you are saying I should not look in this thread if I don't want to see pics, well like Xita said, I don't want to see any pics (though I thank Ange for the goodies she brings and has brought the kitties in the past ) but I still have to watch this thread as people post more than pics in them, they post comments as well and I and anyone else should be able to read them without being forced to see images we do not wish to see.

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If this space is for us to discuss season seven and share resources, please be considerate enough to let us do so uninhibited, at least in this space, which is what it was created for.

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This space was created for the people of this board and that includes those that will not watch but still want to read what others have to say. I don't see how it is inhibiting to have to click a link, no more inhibiting than wanting to keep this forum about Willow and WT.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 9/10/02 11:32:50 pm

[tommo]

Dear God, links please. I'm on dial up and I certainly don't want honkin' great photographs halting my page from loading. Plus, yes, it's a personal choice. And it's easier. And you know, it's more considerate, rather than foisting pictures onto people who pop in here to read posts as well as look for multimedia stuff.

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"Squish. Squish. Squish."

[KISMIC]

I'm with Tommo on that, please stay with links. It takes my computer long enough to load the board with graphics turned off and just links! I'm on a 96Mac with dial up for Gods sake!


Also am I sick in that I just think, 'Whatever the Mods say is right WHY argue?'...


*~Kristy~*

[iceprincess2076]

I'm with Tommo and Kismic on this. yes please stick with links. I don't have a problem with having to click on a link to see the pics. I'm on dial up also and this archaic device I like to call my computer is slow enough as it is.



And for those who aren't sure they want to see the pics, but want to read what is posted here, I think using links will make it easier for them to come this thread. That way if after reading the post they do want to see the pics they can.



Oh and Ange thanks for the pics keep em coming this is my first year being spoiled it's kinda invigorating!



ICE

[Urn of Osiris]

I'm voting for links only as well. The pics are so depressing and I hate seeing Willow so somber. I want my Willow. I miss her. I miss that smile. S7 is going to be hard enough to read about let alone watch.

Urn of Osiris
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WILLOW: That's a work ethic! Buffy, you're developing a work ethic.

BUFFY: Oh, no. Do they make an ointment for that
"you can not have more fan fic, you have a fan fic problem"

[tommo]

Okay I think we're all agreed on links. Nuff debatin' .



As for the multimedia aspect; that's great. I'm looking forward to having a whole folder of pictures of downtrodden Willow; sad Willow and my favorite yet from what I've seen...almost-but-not-quite-crying Willow.



Thanks to those people who are still going to provide caps, by the way. And vids, and anything else. I know they'll be much appreciated.

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"Squish. Squish. Squish."

[urnofosiris]

Just echoing Ruth here. The decision was made 13 posts ago and this is the way it is, so no worries. Eventhough I most likely won't be watching the caps or other multimedia stuff, I do want to thank the kitties who will take the trouble of making them or posting info for others in advance.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[Grimlock72]

Hi,



I've read on several threads/boards now that Tara was cut from season 7 promo's (either movies or pics I don't know).



Could someone describe that a bit, or even better post before/after cutting stuff ?? (the links to those of course )



It sounds soooo severly weird and stupid, why make promo's with Tara in them if they were gonna edit her out ? They didn't start shooting season 7 eps before airing 'Seeing Red' now did they ??



Utterly confused here....



Grimmy

"Willow’s magic got out of control, and your response was to fight her with even more magic.Do you make a habit of putting out fires with gasoline?" Tara to Giles -- Mission Statement (ch9.5) by Bagheera

[scifiacid]

Well, I know that in the clip from Once More, With Feeling where Buffy is dancing with Anya and Tara as 'back ups' they air brushed out Tara on the right side. You can kind of see the right side of her body, but it's faint and that part of the promo goes by pretty quickly.



What a bunch of ass wipes!

[Rally]

She is also missing from the TabRas group scream in that promo. Which really begs the question, did they assemble the promos and then say oops we better take her out? Because if not, wtf even bother to use clips with her in them just to air brush her out later.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[The Partisan]

It's a fairly safe bet to make that the people making the promo know far less, if anything, about the show in question. The promo is a UPN thing alone. Odds are, whoever assembled that promo didn't know who Tara was, let alone the fact that she was no longer with the show.



I'm figuring they made a promo with Tara-clips included (since they had no knowledge not to), were told by someone in the know (either at ME, or someone masochist at UPN who actually watches BtVS) that Tara was gone, so instead of making a whole new promo, they do a quick blurring out of the segements with her, so as not to rile up the fans who would be saying, "Look, look, Tara's in the promo for S7"



Edited to add:



Ironically, removing Tara has likely caused just as much, if not more agita than just leaving her in would have.

Edited by: The Partisan at: 9/12/02 7:04:49 pm

[Wiccagrrl313]

Yeah, I'd have to say it's caused far more controversy/agitation. It was pretty clear that most of the clips were from last season. Especially the one from OMWF. My guess is that most people who had watched the show enough to know who Tara was and wonder if she'd be back likely also recognized the fact that these weren't this years pics and hopefully wouldn't be assuming that meant Tara in S7.

Tracy

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I troost yuu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

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Edited by: Wiccagrrl313  at: 9/12/02 7:26:43 pm

[urnofosiris]

There is no excuse for censoring her from the promo. They cannot have done it to spare our feelings as Joss Whedon cannot stop saying Amber will be back if blah de blah. They are already doing their bit to keep whatever hope some have left alive. This feels like an insult to the degree of finally putting her in the credits of the ep they kill her character in and then not even crediting her name in the next. This is yet another insult to Tara and Amber Benson, especially when it comes to the clip from OMWF.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[The Partisan]

I'm not trying to defend, or excuse their actions, not by a longshot, though my previous post might not have been as clear as I intended. I have a tendency to try to post things without involving my own personal opinions when I'm trying to explain something. I'm just saying that the promo fiasco likely came about as a result of ignorance and indifference rather than outright malice.



Someone, somewhere along the line made the connection that Tara was in the promo, but wasn't in Season 7. So instead of fixing it and replacing the footage for sake of clarity, they took the path of least resistance. Which really does speak more to the root cause, I'd say: Indifference.



They didn't want to hurt us...they don't care enough about us to bother trying.



Is it still insulting? Absolutely...and whether or not the insult was intentional is a rather moot point.

Personally? Fuck UPN for what they've done, and Fuck ME even more for their own actions. I just like to keep the people I'm pissed at clearly defined.

[Grimlock72]

it's allmost like they're trying to pull a reverse-Dawn on us... weird. (and offensive I might add)



Cutting Tara from _Tabula Rasa_...riiiiight. Grimmy shakes head in futile attempt to understand

"Willow’s magic got out of control, and your response was to fight her with even more magic.Do you make a habit of putting out fires with gasoline?" Tara to Giles -- Mission Statement (ch9.5) by Bagheera

[J uk]

Links to the before and after promo pictures:

www.jmsoftware.co.uk/~kit...nsored.jpg

www.jmsoftware.co.uk/~kit...nsored.jpg

[urnofosiris]

The Partisan, please know I wasn't ranting at you. I should have said 'for me there is no excuse for censoring her from the promo'.

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I'm just saying that the promo fiasco likely came about as a result of ignorance and indifference rather than outright malice.

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I think about sums up season 6 and that is excactly why I feel they should know better. I don't care who's bright idea this was. I don't even care if it was Amber Benson herself who did not want to be in the promo (this is hypothetical of course). If that were the case they should have used another clip. They had 22 eps to choose from. Also, I would think it takes more time to edit her from an existing clip than replacing said clip with one she isn't in. This took effort, a nasty effort, to deliberately edit out the person who was such an important part of the heart of the show and OMWF especially.



Thanks J uk, pictures can speak a thousand words.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden